Michael Jordan was 9-of-18 over his career,
and the league as a whole shoots 27.8 percent with the game on the
line. How do today's players stack up on shots taken when trailing by
one or two points, or tied, in the final 24 seconds of playoff games
since 1996-97 with a minimum of three makes? (*Represents players who
also played before 1996-1997 -- so the numbers below reflect partial
careers.) From Alok Pattani of ESPN Stats & Information and NBA
StatsCube.
Michael Jordan was 9-of-18 over his career,
and the league as a whole shoots 27.8 percent with the game on the
line. How do today's players stack up on shots taken when trailing by
one or two points, or tied, in the final 24 seconds of playoff games
since 1996-97 with a minimum of three makes? (*Represents players who
also played before 1996-1997 -- so the numbers below reflect partial
careers.) From Alok Pattani of ESPN Stats & Information and NBA
StatsCube.
The 26-year-old James has taken 12 critical playoff shots already in his
young career. Jordan took his 12th such shot when he was 32, in his
11th season.
Similarly, I recently had somebody explain to me at length that Wade
has a long list of attributes that make him blatantly the better
crunch-time scorer than James. There was a certain logic to the case --
one part willingness to take the big shot, another part dynamic skills
going to the rim.
That theory ought to be balanced by the reality that by this
definition, in 86 career playoff games Wade has taken a grand total of
five shots that meet this definition, and has hit two. In 91 playoff
games, James has taken a dozen, and hit five. That doesn't work as any
kind of condemnation of Wade (for one thing, when he draws a foul
without getting a shot off, that doesn't show up here -- one of our
limitations). But it works nicely as a "you sure about that?" response
to anyone who says Wade has the superior crunch-time DNA.
It's also a reminder that passive crunch-time James is an aberration.
Meanwhile Nowitzki and James are both making shots at a rate that
rivals the best in history, and they already have Bryant in the rearview
mirror.
It’s a long shot but conceivable the 26-year-old James could match
Bryant’s career makes by late Tuesday night -- he is only two late makes
away even though Bryant has played 208 playoff games, more than twice
as many playoff games as James.
A year ago, Bryant won every poll imaginable when asked who
performed best in the clutch, but that sentiment may be changing. The
other day I asked Jeff Van Gundy to name the NBA player he'd most like
to give the ball to with the game on the line, and after naming James,
Nowitzki and Wade, he asked me to help him remember any other candidates
he may be forgetting.
James and Nowitzki both boast efficiency far superior to Bryant’s,
and both remain candidates to match Jordan's 9-of-18 with a slight
uptick in efficiency. At 7-of-25, Bryant will have a nearly impossible
task to make enough crunch-time shots to match the efficiency of the
others.
The 26-year-old James has taken 12 critical playoff shots already in his
young career. Jordan took his 12th such shot when he was 32, in his
11th season.
Similarly, I recently had somebody explain to me at length that Wade
has a long list of attributes that make him blatantly the better
crunch-time scorer than James. There was a certain logic to the case --
one part willingness to take the big shot, another part dynamic skills
going to the rim.
That theory ought to be balanced by the reality that by this
definition, in 86 career playoff games Wade has taken a grand total of
five shots that meet this definition, and has hit two. In 91 playoff
games, James has taken a dozen, and hit five. That doesn't work as any
kind of condemnation of Wade (for one thing, when he draws a foul
without getting a shot off, that doesn't show up here -- one of our
limitations). But it works nicely as a "you sure about that?" response
to anyone who says Wade has the superior crunch-time DNA.
It's also a reminder that passive crunch-time James is an aberration.
Meanwhile Nowitzki and James are both making shots at a rate that
rivals the best in history, and they already have Bryant in the rearview
mirror.
It’s a long shot but conceivable the 26-year-old James could match
Bryant’s career makes by late Tuesday night -- he is only two late makes
away even though Bryant has played 208 playoff games, more than twice
as many playoff games as James.
A year ago, Bryant won every poll imaginable when asked who
performed best in the clutch, but that sentiment may be changing. The
other day I asked Jeff Van Gundy to name the NBA player he'd most like
to give the ball to with the game on the line, and after naming James,
Nowitzki and Wade, he asked me to help him remember any other candidates
he may be forgetting.
James and Nowitzki both boast efficiency far superior to Bryant’s,
and both remain candidates to match Jordan's 9-of-18 with a slight
uptick in efficiency. At 7-of-25, Bryant will have a nearly impossible
task to make enough crunch-time shots to match the efficiency of the
others.
This was a study during the finals in 2011 and we know lebron has only down more in playoffs since.........this is just to prove public perception is not always right
This was a study during the finals in 2011 and we know lebron has only down more in playoffs since.........this is just to prove public perception is not always right
The first table includes 15 active players who have attempted at
least 650 "clutch" shots since the 2000-01 season. Again, for this set,
‘clutch' is defined as "the shots that occur during the 4th quarter or
overtime, with less than five minutes remaining, and neither team ahead
by more than five points"
The first table includes 15 active players who have attempted at
least 650 "clutch" shots since the 2000-01 season. Again, for this set,
‘clutch' is defined as "the shots that occur during the 4th quarter or
overtime, with less than five minutes remaining, and neither team ahead
by more than five points"
The next table brings us a little closer to Kobe time – the
public's perception of clutchness – which included shot attempts to tie
or take the lead in the 4th quarter or overtime of a game, playoffs included. The sample size is considerably smaller as the range in attempts is 95 (Ben Gordon) to 230 (Kobe), so the list is cut to 10 active players, instead of 15, and dates back to the year 2000. Final minute of game since 2000
The next table brings us a little closer to Kobe time – the
public's perception of clutchness – which included shot attempts to tie
or take the lead in the 4th quarter or overtime of a game, playoffs included. The sample size is considerably smaller as the range in attempts is 95 (Ben Gordon) to 230 (Kobe), so the list is cut to 10 active players, instead of 15, and dates back to the year 2000. Final minute of game since 2000
A bunch of people care who run their mouth about stuff they know nothing about and public perception instead formulating an opinion on actual events that have occurred over the last 30 years
A bunch of people care who run their mouth about stuff they know nothing about and public perception instead formulating an opinion on actual events that have occurred over the last 30 years
You took the time to look up what I have been saying in this forum for some time now.....
Wierd thing is when folks are looking at lbj through rosé colored glasses....they will only believe their lying eyes and conclude that the numbers are wrong
I think lbj unselfishness is what folks cannot understand....they can't believe he passed it to the open guy...or is reading the action to see do I have the shot or does my teammate have a better shot and they have convinced themselves that he must force the shot or create the shot for himself...and if he doesn't do this oh well then he is not clutch
i knew the numbers were out there.....just didn't want to take the time to do what u did...and look it up and put the post together
You took the time to look up what I have been saying in this forum for some time now.....
Wierd thing is when folks are looking at lbj through rosé colored glasses....they will only believe their lying eyes and conclude that the numbers are wrong
I think lbj unselfishness is what folks cannot understand....they can't believe he passed it to the open guy...or is reading the action to see do I have the shot or does my teammate have a better shot and they have convinced themselves that he must force the shot or create the shot for himself...and if he doesn't do this oh well then he is not clutch
i knew the numbers were out there.....just didn't want to take the time to do what u did...and look it up and put the post together
What a twisted use of stats...er lies...Has it ever dawned in you the degree of difficulty in those shots? Take away the percentage of Lebron drives to the basket where he charged/fouled someone en route.....lets compare only those shots from the perimeter....
What a twisted use of stats...er lies...Has it ever dawned in you the degree of difficulty in those shots? Take away the percentage of Lebron drives to the basket where he charged/fouled someone en route.....lets compare only those shots from the perimeter....
Degree of difficulty???? R u kidding me. That is the epitome of differentiating the best basketball players. Knowing when to take that shot. Jordan, magic, bird knew it. Kobe never has. Bottom line no matter how talented u r u shouldnt be taking a fall away three ponter w three guys on u. While there r limits to these stats (as in all stats) the info provided by lonniej is compelling
Degree of difficulty???? R u kidding me. That is the epitome of differentiating the best basketball players. Knowing when to take that shot. Jordan, magic, bird knew it. Kobe never has. Bottom line no matter how talented u r u shouldnt be taking a fall away three ponter w three guys on u. While there r limits to these stats (as in all stats) the info provided by lonniej is compelling
and even if you have great stats and your team is garbage thats only going to favor the star player.. Sadly you will have to compare these numbers once lebron retires since he's getting old and may have reached his peak
and even if you have great stats and your team is garbage thats only going to favor the star player.. Sadly you will have to compare these numbers once lebron retires since he's getting old and may have reached his peak
Paste****......from an article on espn during 2011 finals. It was more for a comparison against kobe as kobezking keeps running his mouth. Kobe is literally one of the worst clutch players of all time. Though perceived so much different. And to also show only mj has better playoff clutch shooting % than lebron. ....and only.be one shot % wise. In obviously a fan of lebron and think he will go down as best player ever barring injury.....and Its okay if people disagree....but the level of bs and hate thrown his way by uninformed people is sad really. Quite frankly he is obey of the few superstar in all of sports that is a decent role model and not in jail or cheating on his wife. It concerns me why so many people hate him. He made one bad move with "the decision" and that's he end of negative things to say. Even that the problem was that he left Cleveland justhow he went about it
Paste****......from an article on espn during 2011 finals. It was more for a comparison against kobe as kobezking keeps running his mouth. Kobe is literally one of the worst clutch players of all time. Though perceived so much different. And to also show only mj has better playoff clutch shooting % than lebron. ....and only.be one shot % wise. In obviously a fan of lebron and think he will go down as best player ever barring injury.....and Its okay if people disagree....but the level of bs and hate thrown his way by uninformed people is sad really. Quite frankly he is obey of the few superstar in all of sports that is a decent role model and not in jail or cheating on his wife. It concerns me why so many people hate him. He made one bad move with "the decision" and that's he end of negative things to say. Even that the problem was that he left Cleveland justhow he went about it
u cannot compare and judge a player based on stats. for example was it game 2? if people didnt watch that game and just look at the scoreboard they be like omg lbj had a great game he had a triple double. but if u actually watched that game...he was nowhere to be find. a meaningless triple double (stats paddling).
stats wise ljb is better then kobe fg assist etc etc...but u were old enough to witness kobe in his prime and compared it to lbj in his prime...kobe was more amazing and did things lebron can only dream of doing. kobe takes the most difficult shots the nba has ever seen and makes them on a daily basis. people hate ljb cuz the media and fans compares him to mj and kobe...in my opinion he's not on that level yet.
u cannot compare and judge a player based on stats. for example was it game 2? if people didnt watch that game and just look at the scoreboard they be like omg lbj had a great game he had a triple double. but if u actually watched that game...he was nowhere to be find. a meaningless triple double (stats paddling).
stats wise ljb is better then kobe fg assist etc etc...but u were old enough to witness kobe in his prime and compared it to lbj in his prime...kobe was more amazing and did things lebron can only dream of doing. kobe takes the most difficult shots the nba has ever seen and makes them on a daily basis. people hate ljb cuz the media and fans compares him to mj and kobe...in my opinion he's not on that level yet.
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