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Posted: 1/21/2012 9:56:07 AM
MAIN CARD (FOX)
  • Phil Davis vs. Rashad Evans
  • Michael Bisping vs. Chael Sonnen
  • Demian Maia vs. Chris Weidman
PRELIMINARY CARD (FUEL TV)
  • Johnny Bedford vs. Mitch Gagnon
  • Evan Dunham vs. Nik Lentz
  • Michael Johnson vs. Shane Roller
  • Jon Olav Einemo vs. Mike Russow
  • George Roop vs. Cub Swanson
  • Charles Oliveira vs. Eric Wisely
  • Joey Beltran vs. Lavar Johnson
  • Chris Camozzi vs. Dustin Jacoby
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Posted: 1/21/2012 10:02:12 AM
Leans
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evans
sonnen
weidman
dunham
einemo
Oliveira
Swanson

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Posted: 1/23/2012 12:08:06 AM

had a great weekend of NHL/UFC/NFL betting. made a ton of bets, ended up on the good side! lost my 2 biggest bets - stupid props, but did OK. anyways...

I played a good sized parlay (for me): evans/Sonnen $180 pays a bit over $150

the only other line i can get is weidman/maia. instead of talking about it i wish i jumped on maia at +200, but I was so shocked that I felt I had to check it out more. initial thoughts don't seem Weidman is in the same class have to look at it closer

i like dunham and oliveira  too

 

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Posted: 1/23/2012 1:47:57 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by whipton:

Leans
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evans
sonnen
weidman
dunham
einemo
Oliveira
Swanson


some close fights to choose from cant disagree with most of them....am a bit curious why you lean to einemo.....he looked horrendous in his only ufc fight against herman and russow may look like a slob but hes been pretty tough in the cage.........i dont think hes lost in a few years
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Posted: 1/23/2012 9:52:29 AM
Like Evans with better skills and experience but dont like this  : Height 5-11  vs. 62  Reach 75 vs. 79. Phil looks like a bigger man . Stay away from this one
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Posted: 1/23/2012 9:58:59 AM
love einemo in this fight. hes better everywhere in this fight. striking, grappling, size.  dave herman is no joke either i have him beating struve in the up coming fight. einemo jits are on another level compared to other top level HW grapplers.hes beaten roger gracie in a  grappling match, so if russow takes him down he'll get subbed. he trains at golden glory so his striking is legit, he almost beat herman in their fight of the night scrap.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 11:05:42 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by whipton:

love einemo in this fight. hes better everywhere in this fight. striking, grappling, size.  dave herman is no joke either i have him beating struve in the up coming fight. einemo jits are on another level compared to other top level HW grapplers.hes beaten roger gracie in a  grappling match, so if russow takes him down he'll get subbed. he trains at golden glory so his striking is legit, he almost beat herman in their fight of the night scrap.

Einemo doesn't have better striking.  It isn't even remotely close.  

However I do like Einemo at that price.  
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Posted: 1/23/2012 11:19:16 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by whipton:

love einemo in this fight. hes better everywhere in this fight. striking, grappling, size.  dave herman is no joke either i have him beating struve in the up coming fight. einemo jits are on another level compared to other top level HW grapplers.hes beaten roger gracie in a  grappling match, so if russow takes him down he'll get subbed. he trains at golden glory so his striking is legit, he almost beat herman in their fight of the night scrap.


I agree.  Not sure I like him enough to play him.  But JOE has skills.  He hadn't fought in like 5 years when he stepped in the cage with Herman.  And in my opinion he didn't look bad at all.  Herman is a top HW prospect.  Russow has more brute power, but Einemo has some decent kickboxing, and length.  Russow is a wrestler at heart and if he takes it to the mat he will have his hands full with Einemo on the ground.  Other than Werdum, he may have some of the best BJJ at HW along with Mir and Nog. 

Very dangerous fight for Russow. 
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Posted: 1/23/2012 11:53:30 AM
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Einemo doesn't have better striking.  It isn't even remotely close.  

However I do like Einemo at that price.  


you actually think russow has better striking ? i couldn't disagree any more with that
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Posted: 1/23/2012 5:13:47 PM
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you actually think russow has better striking ? i couldn't disagree any more with that

Better than Einemo?  Yes.  Hands down.  It isn't even close.  I am not sure what you're basing Einemo's striking off of... because it certainly can't be his fight against Herman.  And any other footage of him striking is way too long ago.

My guess is the only fight/footage of Einemo you have seen striking is his terribly sloppy, gassed out fight against Herman.  I am very intrigued where you have gotten this notion that Einemo is a better striker.  

His punches were seen from a mile away, has no head movement, plods along, and if I remember ended up getting finished from strikes.

Please don't confuse this with saying Russow has good striking.  Because I think it is average at best, but leagues above Einemo.  You're going to be unpleasantly surprised if you're basing this play on his striking. 

I am with you on Einemo, so here's to hoping we cash.  
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Posted: 1/23/2012 5:26:30 PM
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I am with you on Einemo, so here's to hoping we cash.  




eniemo's muay thai >>>> russow's boxing imo 
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Posted: 1/23/2012 5:28:11 PM
any thought on johnson vs roller

im leaning towards roller on this one .. i give MJ the striking edge but i feel roller is going to control with his ground skills
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Posted: 1/23/2012 9:59:25 PM
Eniemo didn't look world class or anything, but he hurt Dave Herman standing a big and threw some decent shots.  And Dave Herman is a solid athletic striker. 

Not bad for a guy who hadn't fought MMA in 5 years.  Probably didn't even train his striking that much for much of that time.  At the very least he didn't train like full time MMA guys do.   Considering that  I think we will only see a better version of JOE this time. 

I'm not saying he is going to put on a clinic.  But for a decent underdog who has the grappling ability to sub Russow.  And decent enough striking to make it interesting, I think it is value.  Russow has more power, and might wear JOE down enough and then land a big shot.  But strike for strike Eniemo can hang with Russow standing.  His length a lone is an advantage in a striking contest of 2 guys who aren't strikers at heart.
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Posted: 1/25/2012 3:08:24 PM

I re-watched Russow vs. Madsen (painfully I might add) the other day....and didn't really see much from Russow stand-up wise.  I still can't get Russow vs. Duffee out of my head either. Credit to Russow coming on top of that after taking such a beating.  Russow is more of a move straight a head brawler...than a stand-up technician.

I think this is going to be a sloppy fight...Russow almost always goes to decision. 

I would look for Eniemo to work the stand-up only to bring it to the ground, where he is most comfortable. I would give Eniemo the edge in this fight.

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Posted: 1/25/2012 3:21:48 PM

Keep an eye out for Gagnon this card vs. Bedford.  It is his UFC debut however, but he has looked impressive in his fights leading up to this.  Bedford has a weakness to submissions (8 of his 9 losses), where as Gagnon has won all 8 his fights via submission (although his last fight he won via body slam....the guy just tapped because he landed on his neck)

Gagnon may make a similar impressive debut as his fellow Canadian counterpart Nick Denis did...the last UFC card on Fuel TV

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Posted: 1/25/2012 3:55:47 PM
Both guys have horribad stand up. I was leaning towards Einemo because he has the higher ground credentials but aside from the Duffee fight I have nothing to analyze just who in fact the worse striker is, which is important to know in the event this fight stays on the feet. 
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Posted: 1/25/2012 3:58:22 PM

gagnon bedford cancelled. the canadian cant get into USA

I'm glad i jumped on Rashad. line has gone from 160 to 210 in a few days on bodog

strangely, sonnen line is getting better

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Posted: 1/25/2012 4:30:44 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by sawman:

gagnon bedford cancelled. the canadian cant get into USA

I'm glad i jumped on Rashad. line has gone from 160 to 210 in a few days on bodog

strangely, sonnen line is getting better

darn....booourns...thanks for the heads up

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Posted: 1/25/2012 6:03:26 PM
Jon Olav Einemo 3u for 4.2u

i have a feeling the lines going drop. I think he's the winner. IMO he's just the better fighter. i think his striking's better and he posesses top tier ground game.
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Posted: 1/25/2012 6:25:09 PM
I think the line is going to get better for him actually.  I'm debating really hard over whether to take it or not.  
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Posted: 1/26/2012 9:21:17 AM
Jon Olav Einemo went up to  +152 lol i was wrong
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Posted: 1/26/2012 10:39:08 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by whipton:

Jon Olav Einemo went up to  +152 lol i was wrong


I got nervous and played it at 140.  You weren't completely wrong though, I'm pretty sure the line dropped to 130 at some point.
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Posted: 1/26/2012 10:57:26 AM
by weigh-ins if it's any higher i will have to consider extra units
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Posted: 1/26/2012 9:56:29 PM
I think the line went back up when everyone saw Russow looking like he's lost alot of weight and actually in good shape at the press conference today.
I'm on Einemo as well, GL this saturday whipton   Any other plays locked in?
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Posted: 1/27/2012 12:05:17 PM

Russow will no doubt have the home crowd behind, I'm sure the Chicago cop goon in him will come out and give him a little extra.

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