Jim, I am sorry but you are ABSOLUTELY 100% wrong in this regard.
I will not attack your intelect or views or opinion about buying point, but I will say this............buying off the number 3, 4 or 7 is one of the smartest/ most profitable actions a sport bettor can make for long term success.
Trust me ......................fortunes are both won AND lost by the hook !!
Avoid the hook whenever you are dealing with a 3, 4, or 7 in your line......the cost is usually just .7 cents on the dollar. Peanuts when you are dealing with G note wagers.
I could write pages to elaborate on this topic but will end it right there.
good luck to you !!
Jim, I am sorry but you are ABSOLUTELY 100% wrong in this regard.
I will not attack your intelect or views or opinion about buying point, but I will say this............buying off the number 3, 4 or 7 is one of the smartest/ most profitable actions a sport bettor can make for long term success.
Trust me ......................fortunes are both won AND lost by the hook !!
Avoid the hook whenever you are dealing with a 3, 4, or 7 in your line......the cost is usually just .7 cents on the dollar. Peanuts when you are dealing with G note wagers.
I could write pages to elaborate on this topic but will end it right there.
good luck to you !!
You are very "fortunate" to catch me right now as I own my own business and am very busy. However each year at this time I like to take a little R&R and slow down.........thus, I have time to spend bantering back and forth with amateur bettors such as yourself who think they know it all when it comes to sports betting. Otherwise I wouldn't give you the time of day.
In order to win big $ in sports betting and be successfull you must first lose big $. Your money, REAL money..........some of you out there will know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
You learn what NOT to do, what pays and what doesn't. Your credibility instantly dissolved with me due to your misinformation about the pitts falls of ATS wagering.
You are very "fortunate" to catch me right now as I own my own business and am very busy. However each year at this time I like to take a little R&R and slow down.........thus, I have time to spend bantering back and forth with amateur bettors such as yourself who think they know it all when it comes to sports betting. Otherwise I wouldn't give you the time of day.
In order to win big $ in sports betting and be successfull you must first lose big $. Your money, REAL money..........some of you out there will know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
You learn what NOT to do, what pays and what doesn't. Your credibility instantly dissolved with me due to your misinformation about the pitts falls of ATS wagering.
not if you win... i see you are still up to your same old annoying bullshit...
not if you win... i see you are still up to your same old annoying bullshit...
My locals are always 11/10...so I find it works buying a .5 here and there. I've definately saved more on pushes than I have in extra juice over the years buying down or up to the major numbers.
My locals are always 11/10...so I find it works buying a .5 here and there. I've definately saved more on pushes than I have in extra juice over the years buying down or up to the major numbers.
My locals are always 11/10...so I find it works buying a .5 here and there. I've definately saved more on pushes than I have in extra juice over the years buying down or up to the major numbers.
exactly...........getting just 1 push will make up for many wagers of lost vig.
add the hook and now you are making big gains on a push...............It is one of the smartest plays in ATS gambling !!
My locals are always 11/10...so I find it works buying a .5 here and there. I've definately saved more on pushes than I have in extra juice over the years buying down or up to the major numbers.
exactly...........getting just 1 push will make up for many wagers of lost vig.
add the hook and now you are making big gains on a push...............It is one of the smartest plays in ATS gambling !!
Same to you Tressel !! I wish you all the best.
Seriously, I 'm just here to pass along some valuable knowledge !!
Good luck to you !!
Same to you Tressel !! I wish you all the best.
Seriously, I 'm just here to pass along some valuable knowledge !!
Good luck to you !!
Alien,
Funny to me with all this talk about buying points is that no one has pointed out the flaw in your game anaysis. You make 2 big assumptions in your writeup. First, that Miami will beat them deep early..(I will give this a decent chance of happening) but more importantly, that the Miami coaching staff is smart enough to take advantage of it by then running a lot to follow it up.
GL with your play, but I will take the points here. Not b/c I think Wisc is going to win necessarily, but I see this as a toss up, and would much rather have +4 than be giving up pts.
Alien,
Funny to me with all this talk about buying points is that no one has pointed out the flaw in your game anaysis. You make 2 big assumptions in your writeup. First, that Miami will beat them deep early..(I will give this a decent chance of happening) but more importantly, that the Miami coaching staff is smart enough to take advantage of it by then running a lot to follow it up.
GL with your play, but I will take the points here. Not b/c I think Wisc is going to win necessarily, but I see this as a toss up, and would much rather have +4 than be giving up pts.
Alien,
Funny to me with all this talk about buying points is that no one has pointed out the flaw in your game anaysis. You make 2 big assumptions in your writeup. First, that Miami will beat them deep early..(I will give this a decent chance of happening) but more importantly, that the Miami coaching staff is smart enough to take advantage of it by then running a lot to follow it up.
GL with your play, but I will take the points here. Not b/c I think Wisc is going to win necessarily, but I see this as a toss up, and would much rather have +4 than be giving up pts.
You are absolutely right, those are two assumptions I made. In order to make a prediction one has to assume some course of action otherwise how can you explain yourself with people always asking...........WHY will maiami win, HOW will they win etc, etc.
Believe me..............no one loves to take dogs more than me, I LOVE having points in the bank, I just feel in this game those points will not be enough.
All the best !!!!
Alien,
Funny to me with all this talk about buying points is that no one has pointed out the flaw in your game anaysis. You make 2 big assumptions in your writeup. First, that Miami will beat them deep early..(I will give this a decent chance of happening) but more importantly, that the Miami coaching staff is smart enough to take advantage of it by then running a lot to follow it up.
GL with your play, but I will take the points here. Not b/c I think Wisc is going to win necessarily, but I see this as a toss up, and would much rather have +4 than be giving up pts.
You are absolutely right, those are two assumptions I made. In order to make a prediction one has to assume some course of action otherwise how can you explain yourself with people always asking...........WHY will maiami win, HOW will they win etc, etc.
Believe me..............no one loves to take dogs more than me, I LOVE having points in the bank, I just feel in this game those points will not be enough.
All the best !!!!
buy points lose, or in covers jargon, loose. like the dog. miami and the acc are pretty laughable as a favorite in any bowel game. i'll take big 10 over acc.
buy points lose, or in covers jargon, loose. like the dog. miami and the acc are pretty laughable as a favorite in any bowel game. i'll take big 10 over acc.
I'll have to back the Coach on this arguement about point buying.
Dude. Just look at the last 7-8 Bowl games that have been played. Hook bettors have been getting squeezed out of extra cash when they don't even need to buy the points because the spread didn't even matter for about 90% of those games.
The only close game was the Pittsburgh game but even then, that spread didn't really matter either. If you got the Pitt line late, you win with Pitt -1. If you got UNC +3 when the line was opened you also won. Granted that the Kentucky/Clemson game was close to the spread, id' think seasoned bettors still understood that they didn't need lay an extra .15 cents to .35 cents to get a more favorable line. Seasoned bettors knew that either Kentucky would win SU or Clemson will win by more than 7 points.
Undisputable facts -- faves have covered the spread and underdogs have won straight up. So, in essence, if you bought points thus far this Bowl season, you're amongst the people that wasted the extra -125, -135 juice for points they didn't even need.
If you're continually buying points to get off of key numbers for the NCAA and NFL season, you really need to adjust your wagering strategy over the whole football season.
Seriously. I'd love to be your bookie. Point buyers negate much aversion to risk when my limits are unbalanced. Same can be said for parlayers but thats a given, i think.
I'll have to back the Coach on this arguement about point buying.
Dude. Just look at the last 7-8 Bowl games that have been played. Hook bettors have been getting squeezed out of extra cash when they don't even need to buy the points because the spread didn't even matter for about 90% of those games.
The only close game was the Pittsburgh game but even then, that spread didn't really matter either. If you got the Pitt line late, you win with Pitt -1. If you got UNC +3 when the line was opened you also won. Granted that the Kentucky/Clemson game was close to the spread, id' think seasoned bettors still understood that they didn't need lay an extra .15 cents to .35 cents to get a more favorable line. Seasoned bettors knew that either Kentucky would win SU or Clemson will win by more than 7 points.
Undisputable facts -- faves have covered the spread and underdogs have won straight up. So, in essence, if you bought points thus far this Bowl season, you're amongst the people that wasted the extra -125, -135 juice for points they didn't even need.
If you're continually buying points to get off of key numbers for the NCAA and NFL season, you really need to adjust your wagering strategy over the whole football season.
Seriously. I'd love to be your bookie. Point buyers negate much aversion to risk when my limits are unbalanced. Same can be said for parlayers but thats a given, i think.
that one comment tells me you are not a serious bettor and have a bit to learn about the harsh realities of the fiscal world of sports betting.
None the less.............I wish you all the best !!
that one comment tells me you are not a serious bettor and have a bit to learn about the harsh realities of the fiscal world of sports betting.
None the less.............I wish you all the best !!
Appreciate the comment NewYork.
Guys, I think you are misunderstanding the term "BUY POINTS"
Appreciate the comment NewYork.
Guys, I think you are misunderstanding the term "BUY POINTS"
further to my comment....I am NOT talking about buying 1, 2 or 3 points on a line OR buying off odd numbers like 15, 9, 11..................That will bleed you dry in the long run, guaranteed.
I am strictly talking about the hook on the ever crucial numbers 3, 4 and 7 .........I will also add 10 and 14 as well.
Tressel has incorrect info regarding vig. 1.91
further to my comment....I am NOT talking about buying 1, 2 or 3 points on a line OR buying off odd numbers like 15, 9, 11..................That will bleed you dry in the long run, guaranteed.
I am strictly talking about the hook on the ever crucial numbers 3, 4 and 7 .........I will also add 10 and 14 as well.
Tressel has incorrect info regarding vig. 1.91
your numbers are off here.
remember we're talking about favs.
buying the hook down on a -105 fav will NOT result in a -125 -130 price..........NEVER. that is TOTALLY incorrect.
buying the hook either way costs nothing close to that............with that price I could buy down a point and a half, AND yes that vig will eat you alive in the long run.
Buying off the number 3, 4 or 7(for a hook only) is fundamental economics of ATS betting...........I am very surprised anyone would even argue this fact !!!
your numbers are off here.
remember we're talking about favs.
buying the hook down on a -105 fav will NOT result in a -125 -130 price..........NEVER. that is TOTALLY incorrect.
buying the hook either way costs nothing close to that............with that price I could buy down a point and a half, AND yes that vig will eat you alive in the long run.
Buying off the number 3, 4 or 7(for a hook only) is fundamental economics of ATS betting...........I am very surprised anyone would even argue this fact !!!
The stats below are somewhat dated but it does support that buying 1/2 points is not considered a smart decision.
Over 1,975 games during the 1993 to 2000 seasons the overall house edge by purchasing the extra half point is 4.13%.
The extra juice paid for buying these points eats away at any advantage gained by moving the number. There are times when buying that 1/2 point makes you look like a genius. In the long run, you cannot overcome that additional 4% disadvantage.
One last point: If you feel that buying a half point is the right thing to do, it most likely isn't that strong of a bet to begin with and should probably be a no play.
The stats below are somewhat dated but it does support that buying 1/2 points is not considered a smart decision.
Over 1,975 games during the 1993 to 2000 seasons the overall house edge by purchasing the extra half point is 4.13%.
The extra juice paid for buying these points eats away at any advantage gained by moving the number. There are times when buying that 1/2 point makes you look like a genius. In the long run, you cannot overcome that additional 4% disadvantage.
One last point: If you feel that buying a half point is the right thing to do, it most likely isn't that strong of a bet to begin with and should probably be a no play.
further to my comment....I am NOT talking about buying 1, 2 or 3 points on a line OR buying off odd numbers like 15, 9, 11..................That will bleed you dry in the long run, guaranteed.
I am strictly talking about the hook on the ever crucial numbers 3, 4 and 7 .........I will also add 10 and 14 as well.
Tressel has incorrect info regarding vig. 1.91
further to my comment....I am NOT talking about buying 1, 2 or 3 points on a line OR buying off odd numbers like 15, 9, 11..................That will bleed you dry in the long run, guaranteed.
I am strictly talking about the hook on the ever crucial numbers 3, 4 and 7 .........I will also add 10 and 14 as well.
Tressel has incorrect info regarding vig. 1.91
UpTheAnte - Right on.
From someone who have been betting since 1997, my advice is:
stay away from games with key numbers and move on to the games where you think/feel that the underdgog can win SU or the fave will win in a blow-out.
Unless of course its the only game on the board and Dallas is favored by -7 or -7.5 over the Washington Redskins. Nonetheless, the rule for betting underdogs and/or faves should apply. Do you think the Cowboys can blow-out the Redskins or do you think the Redskins have a shot at winning straight-up?
UpTheAnte - Right on.
From someone who have been betting since 1997, my advice is:
stay away from games with key numbers and move on to the games where you think/feel that the underdgog can win SU or the fave will win in a blow-out.
Unless of course its the only game on the board and Dallas is favored by -7 or -7.5 over the Washington Redskins. Nonetheless, the rule for betting underdogs and/or faves should apply. Do you think the Cowboys can blow-out the Redskins or do you think the Redskins have a shot at winning straight-up?
not if you win... i see you are still up to your same old annoying bullshit...
Thanks ICE.
I know you understand what I am talking about here...............fundamentals man, grade 1 sports betting theory.
not if you win... i see you are still up to your same old annoying bullshit...
Thanks ICE.
I know you understand what I am talking about here...............fundamentals man, grade 1 sports betting theory.
The most opportune time to buy a half point is when one team is favored by 2.5, 3, 6.5, or 7. This is because many games end in a 3 or 7 point difference and the extra half point can either turn a loss into a draw or a draw into a win.
Agreed!
But most books, knowing this, will make you pay a premium to move off that number. The books aren't gonna let you do this without taking a little more for themselves. This isn't a charity.
The most opportune time to buy a half point is when one team is favored by 2.5, 3, 6.5, or 7. This is because many games end in a 3 or 7 point difference and the extra half point can either turn a loss into a draw or a draw into a win.
Agreed!
But most books, knowing this, will make you pay a premium to move off that number. The books aren't gonna let you do this without taking a little more for themselves. This isn't a charity.
"in the long run I will be at a disadvantage"...........totally absurd comment. For spot bettors such as myself it is one of the MOST powerful, financially rewarding srategies out there.
"in the long run I will be at a disadvantage"...........totally absurd comment. For spot bettors such as myself it is one of the MOST powerful, financially rewarding srategies out there.
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