So if Germany had blown out Ghana 3-0, then a draw against the US would still be good for them to win the group.
But, the line against the US would be -1.5 -110, just like it was against Ghana.
The reason the line is -0.75 -110 is based on results in the group, not potential situations.
Sorry, I can't begin to follow your convoluted logic.
If Germany had beaten Ghana 3-0, they would have zero motivation to win this match, and would most likely be resting several star players. This line is where it is because the situation favors a draw. Germany will win the group with a draw, and the U.S. gets the 2nd spot. It is very common for teams to have an unspoken agreement in these situations, and short of having a tape recorded conversation to prove that is happening, there is nothing FIFA can do to stop it.
The reason this is beneficial is because it allows both teams to save their energy, and even rest a couple of banged-up players. The fact that the U.S. coach is the hero of German futbol, just makes it that much more of a likely scenario.
To suggest the books suddenly think that the U.S. has dramatically closed the gap is short-sighted. If this was a knockout match, THEN Germany would be favored by significantly more.
Group stage soccer is very situational, especially when you get to the 3rd match. The lines reflect this, because the books know this.
So if Germany had blown out Ghana 3-0, then a draw against the US would still be good for them to win the group.
But, the line against the US would be -1.5 -110, just like it was against Ghana.
The reason the line is -0.75 -110 is based on results in the group, not potential situations.
Sorry, I can't begin to follow your convoluted logic.
If Germany had beaten Ghana 3-0, they would have zero motivation to win this match, and would most likely be resting several star players. This line is where it is because the situation favors a draw. Germany will win the group with a draw, and the U.S. gets the 2nd spot. It is very common for teams to have an unspoken agreement in these situations, and short of having a tape recorded conversation to prove that is happening, there is nothing FIFA can do to stop it.
The reason this is beneficial is because it allows both teams to save their energy, and even rest a couple of banged-up players. The fact that the U.S. coach is the hero of German futbol, just makes it that much more of a likely scenario.
To suggest the books suddenly think that the U.S. has dramatically closed the gap is short-sighted. If this was a knockout match, THEN Germany would be favored by significantly more.
Group stage soccer is very situational, especially when you get to the 3rd match. The lines reflect this, because the books know this.
That Germany match has OVER written all over it......depending on Germanys starters. If the USA sits back and messes around playing for the draw.....Germany will chew them up.....if the USA tries attacking......Germanys counter will chew them up......USA just may be cooked no matter what.....(unless a draw was agreed upon by the presidents of both countries)....Ha
The USA can score and we know of Germanys prowess......I will be thinking about that to see where the numbers and lines fall and how I can best use what is offered.
I will be cheering you cash your Germany ticket...
That Germany match has OVER written all over it......depending on Germanys starters. If the USA sits back and messes around playing for the draw.....Germany will chew them up.....if the USA tries attacking......Germanys counter will chew them up......USA just may be cooked no matter what.....(unless a draw was agreed upon by the presidents of both countries)....Ha
The USA can score and we know of Germanys prowess......I will be thinking about that to see where the numbers and lines fall and how I can best use what is offered.
I will be cheering you cash your Germany ticket...
I don't see much difference in the talent gap between all 4 teams.Then again I've watched more soccer this World Cup than ever.Really enjoyed Germany-Ghana and both US games.Seemed like Rinaldo had an off game vs US aside from that cross kick.Taking US just because Klinnsman will know Germany..peanut tho
I don't see much difference in the talent gap between all 4 teams.Then again I've watched more soccer this World Cup than ever.Really enjoyed Germany-Ghana and both US games.Seemed like Rinaldo had an off game vs US aside from that cross kick.Taking US just because Klinnsman will know Germany..peanut tho
Sorry, I can't begin to follow your convoluted logic.
If Germany had beaten Ghana 3-0, they would have zero motivation to win this match, and would most likely be resting several star players. This line is where it is because the situation favors a draw. Germany will win the group with a draw, and the U.S. gets the 2nd spot. It is very common for teams to have an unspoken agreement in these situations, and short of having a tape recorded conversation to prove that is happening, there is nothing FIFA can do to stop it.
The reason this is beneficial is because it allows both teams to save their energy, and even rest a couple of banged-up players. The fact that the U.S. coach is the hero of German futbol, just makes it that much more of a likely scenario.
To suggest the books suddenly think that the U.S. has dramatically closed the gap is short-sighted. If this was a knockout match, THEN Germany would be favored by significantly more.
Group stage soccer is very situational, especially when you get to the 3rd match. The lines reflect this, because the books know this.
. Interesting point of view.I'm a newby in soccer wagering.I really like Klinnsman.Seems.like there is a whole untapped market for me in soccer,but playing .05% of BRoll.Klinnsman seems to be making brilliant substitutions, but I'm a CFB,NFL,CBB,MLB guy that's learning Soccer,NHL,MMA& NASCAR.World Cup is fascinating.My buddy jumped on TT US over .5..Wish I would've played that not to be an after the game bettor.
Sorry, I can't begin to follow your convoluted logic.
If Germany had beaten Ghana 3-0, they would have zero motivation to win this match, and would most likely be resting several star players. This line is where it is because the situation favors a draw. Germany will win the group with a draw, and the U.S. gets the 2nd spot. It is very common for teams to have an unspoken agreement in these situations, and short of having a tape recorded conversation to prove that is happening, there is nothing FIFA can do to stop it.
The reason this is beneficial is because it allows both teams to save their energy, and even rest a couple of banged-up players. The fact that the U.S. coach is the hero of German futbol, just makes it that much more of a likely scenario.
To suggest the books suddenly think that the U.S. has dramatically closed the gap is short-sighted. If this was a knockout match, THEN Germany would be favored by significantly more.
Group stage soccer is very situational, especially when you get to the 3rd match. The lines reflect this, because the books know this.
. Interesting point of view.I'm a newby in soccer wagering.I really like Klinnsman.Seems.like there is a whole untapped market for me in soccer,but playing .05% of BRoll.Klinnsman seems to be making brilliant substitutions, but I'm a CFB,NFL,CBB,MLB guy that's learning Soccer,NHL,MMA& NASCAR.World Cup is fascinating.My buddy jumped on TT US over .5..Wish I would've played that not to be an after the game bettor.
Warcam... I am not a big soccer bettor. But one thing I have learned to look for in the WC is those 3rd match group stage situations where a draw benefits both teams. You would be surprised how often they just kick the ball around and make no efforts. There is this unspoken agreement that can take place... can't remember the countries but it happened in the last World Cup.
Warcam... I am not a big soccer bettor. But one thing I have learned to look for in the WC is those 3rd match group stage situations where a draw benefits both teams. You would be surprised how often they just kick the ball around and make no efforts. There is this unspoken agreement that can take place... can't remember the countries but it happened in the last World Cup.
Interesting thread but a few ignorant posts like the last one. Why not offer some examples of where this has happened as a ratio to when it COULD have happened? Not one where you can't remember the teams or you're sure it happens a lot
This sort of theory with no factual back up is what the bookies love
Interesting thread but a few ignorant posts like the last one. Why not offer some examples of where this has happened as a ratio to when it COULD have happened? Not one where you can't remember the teams or you're sure it happens a lot
This sort of theory with no factual back up is what the bookies love
Sorry, I can't begin to follow your convoluted logic.
If Germany had beaten Ghana 3-0, they would have zero motivation to win this match, and would most likely be resting several star players. This line is where it is because the situation favors a draw. Germany will win the group with a draw, and the U.S. gets the 2nd spot. It is very common for teams to have an unspoken agreement in these situations, and short of having a tape recorded conversation to prove that is happening, there is nothing FIFA can do to stop it.
The reason this is beneficial is because it allows both teams to save their energy, and even rest a couple of banged-up players. The fact that the U.S. coach is the hero of German futbol, just makes it that much more of a likely scenario.
To suggest the books suddenly think that the U.S. has dramatically closed the gap is short-sighted. If this was a knockout match, THEN Germany would be favored by significantly more.
Group stage soccer is very situational, especially when you get to the 3rd match. The lines reflect this, because the books know this.
If the draw is so low, why the over/under 2.5 goals about normal? o2.5 is -110 and u2.5 is -120.
If a draw were to happen, chances are it'll be 0-0 or 1-1. Hard to see a 2-2 draw that's either deliberately premeditated or occurs during the course of the game (both teams become incredibly defensive if the score is tied after 60th minute or so).
Sorry, I can't begin to follow your convoluted logic.
If Germany had beaten Ghana 3-0, they would have zero motivation to win this match, and would most likely be resting several star players. This line is where it is because the situation favors a draw. Germany will win the group with a draw, and the U.S. gets the 2nd spot. It is very common for teams to have an unspoken agreement in these situations, and short of having a tape recorded conversation to prove that is happening, there is nothing FIFA can do to stop it.
The reason this is beneficial is because it allows both teams to save their energy, and even rest a couple of banged-up players. The fact that the U.S. coach is the hero of German futbol, just makes it that much more of a likely scenario.
To suggest the books suddenly think that the U.S. has dramatically closed the gap is short-sighted. If this was a knockout match, THEN Germany would be favored by significantly more.
Group stage soccer is very situational, especially when you get to the 3rd match. The lines reflect this, because the books know this.
If the draw is so low, why the over/under 2.5 goals about normal? o2.5 is -110 and u2.5 is -120.
If a draw were to happen, chances are it'll be 0-0 or 1-1. Hard to see a 2-2 draw that's either deliberately premeditated or occurs during the course of the game (both teams become incredibly defensive if the score is tied after 60th minute or so).
In 2010 World Cup. Brazil, Portugal and Ivory Coast were in the same group. After 2 games Brazil was 2-0-0. Portugal was 1-1-0. Ivory Coast was 0-1-1. Brazil and Portugal were to play each other. Ivory Coast was to play bottom team North Korea.
Brazil/Portugal tie guarantees Brazil gets 1st and Portugal gets 2nd? Result? 0-0. Line for the tie was -110.
But you had the same example with Uruguay, Mexico and South Africa in '10 as well where the teams didn't collude. Uruguay and Mexico play each other and tie guarantees each advance. S Africa left out. Line for the tie was -110. Uruguay won 1-0.
In 2010 World Cup. Brazil, Portugal and Ivory Coast were in the same group. After 2 games Brazil was 2-0-0. Portugal was 1-1-0. Ivory Coast was 0-1-1. Brazil and Portugal were to play each other. Ivory Coast was to play bottom team North Korea.
Brazil/Portugal tie guarantees Brazil gets 1st and Portugal gets 2nd? Result? 0-0. Line for the tie was -110.
But you had the same example with Uruguay, Mexico and South Africa in '10 as well where the teams didn't collude. Uruguay and Mexico play each other and tie guarantees each advance. S Africa left out. Line for the tie was -110. Uruguay won 1-0.
Posts like these are just biased opinions. Ghana 2 Vaterland 2 Remember that result?
And you remember:
Since Germany entered the World Cup in 1950, they have advanced to the knockout stage in EVERY World Cup.
Biased opinions ? Maybe, but I bet on FACTS, and the knowledge of knowing that we always take care of business. How much will you be betting on the US ?
Oh, that's right, you don't actually post REAL bets on soccer, you just post a lot of blah blah blah, then run and hide when your embarrassing comments are totally off base.
Challenge? Sure, I'll be back here on Thursday after the Germany / US game. Will you ?
Posts like these are just biased opinions. Ghana 2 Vaterland 2 Remember that result?
And you remember:
Since Germany entered the World Cup in 1950, they have advanced to the knockout stage in EVERY World Cup.
Biased opinions ? Maybe, but I bet on FACTS, and the knowledge of knowing that we always take care of business. How much will you be betting on the US ?
Oh, that's right, you don't actually post REAL bets on soccer, you just post a lot of blah blah blah, then run and hide when your embarrassing comments are totally off base.
Challenge? Sure, I'll be back here on Thursday after the Germany / US game. Will you ?
Sorry, I can't begin to follow your convoluted logic.
If Germany had beaten Ghana 3-0, they would have zero motivation to win this match, and would most likely be resting several star players. This line is where it is because the situation favors a draw. Germany will win the group with a draw, and the U.S. gets the 2nd spot. It is very common for teams to have an unspoken agreement in these situations, and short of having a tape recorded conversation to prove that is happening, there is nothing FIFA can do to stop it.
The reason this is beneficial is because it allows both teams to save their energy, and even rest a couple of banged-up players. The fact that the U.S. coach is the hero of German futbol, just makes it that much more of a likely scenario.
To suggest the books suddenly think that the U.S. has dramatically closed the gap is short-sighted. If this was a knockout match, THEN Germany would be favored by significantly more.
Group stage soccer is very situational, especially when you get to the 3rd match. The lines reflect this, because the books know this.
Sorry, I can't begin to follow your convoluted logic.
If Germany had beaten Ghana 3-0, they would have zero motivation to win this match, and would most likely be resting several star players. This line is where it is because the situation favors a draw. Germany will win the group with a draw, and the U.S. gets the 2nd spot. It is very common for teams to have an unspoken agreement in these situations, and short of having a tape recorded conversation to prove that is happening, there is nothing FIFA can do to stop it.
The reason this is beneficial is because it allows both teams to save their energy, and even rest a couple of banged-up players. The fact that the U.S. coach is the hero of German futbol, just makes it that much more of a likely scenario.
To suggest the books suddenly think that the U.S. has dramatically closed the gap is short-sighted. If this was a knockout match, THEN Germany would be favored by significantly more.
Group stage soccer is very situational, especially when you get to the 3rd match. The lines reflect this, because the books know this.
Bottom line is we do not know what the mindset of the German side will be. As the above poster stated, we have seen teams in this situation before. Some have 'colluded' (as in the German/Austrian game), some have simply ended in draws, and some have panned out that there was a 90 minute winner.
I really do not believe that there will be a colluded agreement as it just isn't the right thing to do. But, this is big business and it could happen. Personally, I would simply play the situation. Sometimes the simplest solution is the best path. The USA and Germany only need a draw to advance, and the line dictates it. Often sporting outcomes aren't as simple as team A is better than team B. Of course in any other scenario Germany would be a considerable favorite. I don't think anyone would argue that. But, given the situation at hand, draw (or USA on a decent AH) is the smart play here. Motivation is a huge factor, and I don't see either side pushing for a result they don't need. Why risk injury? Why not rest players? Germany doesn't need to prove anything here. Leave pride at home and play to ADVANCE with as little (and less exhaustive) effort. It's win/win.
Germany may wipe the US off the pitch, but I will be on the side of the situation at hand. Draw for a regular wager.
Bottom line is we do not know what the mindset of the German side will be. As the above poster stated, we have seen teams in this situation before. Some have 'colluded' (as in the German/Austrian game), some have simply ended in draws, and some have panned out that there was a 90 minute winner.
I really do not believe that there will be a colluded agreement as it just isn't the right thing to do. But, this is big business and it could happen. Personally, I would simply play the situation. Sometimes the simplest solution is the best path. The USA and Germany only need a draw to advance, and the line dictates it. Often sporting outcomes aren't as simple as team A is better than team B. Of course in any other scenario Germany would be a considerable favorite. I don't think anyone would argue that. But, given the situation at hand, draw (or USA on a decent AH) is the smart play here. Motivation is a huge factor, and I don't see either side pushing for a result they don't need. Why risk injury? Why not rest players? Germany doesn't need to prove anything here. Leave pride at home and play to ADVANCE with as little (and less exhaustive) effort. It's win/win.
Germany may wipe the US off the pitch, but I will be on the side of the situation at hand. Draw for a regular wager.
Sorry, I can't begin to follow your convoluted logic.
If Germany had beaten Ghana 3-0, they would have zero motivation to win this match, and would most likely be resting several star players. This line is where it is because the situation favors a draw. Germany will win the group with a draw, and the U.S. gets the 2nd spot. It is very common for teams to have an unspoken agreement in these situations, and short of having a tape recorded conversation to prove that is happening, there is nothing FIFA can do to stop it.
The reason this is beneficial is because it allows both teams to save their energy, and even rest a couple of banged-up players. The fact that the U.S. coach is the hero of German futbol, just makes it that much more of a likely scenario.
To suggest the books suddenly think that the U.S. has dramatically closed the gap is short-sighted. If this was a knockout match, THEN Germany would be favored by significantly more.
Group stage soccer is very situational, especially when you get to the 3rd match. The lines reflect this, because the books know this.
In order for this " unspoken agreement " to happen, you will require 22 players, plus subs, to be on the same page. Even though they have been involved in competitive soccer their entire lives, where winning is a way of life, you are suggesting that they will all suddenly stop " competing " in order to accommodate an " unspoken agreement ". Since very few of these players are aware that they owe something to Klinsmann, it will be difficult to imagine them suddenly helping him out as a newly appointed American.
Yup, sounds very logical to me.
Good luck with that theory. I'm going to wager in accordance with the " will to win " and take matters into your own hands theory.
Sorry, I can't begin to follow your convoluted logic.
If Germany had beaten Ghana 3-0, they would have zero motivation to win this match, and would most likely be resting several star players. This line is where it is because the situation favors a draw. Germany will win the group with a draw, and the U.S. gets the 2nd spot. It is very common for teams to have an unspoken agreement in these situations, and short of having a tape recorded conversation to prove that is happening, there is nothing FIFA can do to stop it.
The reason this is beneficial is because it allows both teams to save their energy, and even rest a couple of banged-up players. The fact that the U.S. coach is the hero of German futbol, just makes it that much more of a likely scenario.
To suggest the books suddenly think that the U.S. has dramatically closed the gap is short-sighted. If this was a knockout match, THEN Germany would be favored by significantly more.
Group stage soccer is very situational, especially when you get to the 3rd match. The lines reflect this, because the books know this.
In order for this " unspoken agreement " to happen, you will require 22 players, plus subs, to be on the same page. Even though they have been involved in competitive soccer their entire lives, where winning is a way of life, you are suggesting that they will all suddenly stop " competing " in order to accommodate an " unspoken agreement ". Since very few of these players are aware that they owe something to Klinsmann, it will be difficult to imagine them suddenly helping him out as a newly appointed American.
Yup, sounds very logical to me.
Good luck with that theory. I'm going to wager in accordance with the " will to win " and take matters into your own hands theory.
In order for this " unspoken agreement " to happen, you will require 22 players, plus subs, to be on the same page. Even though they have been involved in competitive soccer their entire lives, where winning is a way of life, you are suggesting that they will all suddenly stop " competing " in order to accommodate an " unspoken agreement ". Since very few of these players are aware that they owe something to Klinsmann, it will be difficult to imagine them suddenly helping him out as a newly appointed American.
Yup, sounds very logical to me.
Good luck with that theory. I'm going to wager in accordance with the " will to win " and take matters into your own hands theory.
Apparently the odds makers disagree with you. Why else (as in any other match) would Germany only be a -135 favorite?
(Look, I agree with your logic. I also DO NOT think that there will be a colluded outcome. However, I think motivation will be a big factor as, and we may see some lineup changes.
You seem pretty adamant that Germany will come out in full force to win. I disagree. The situation at hand is that a draw suits both just fine, so why press (other than the 'will to win')? Germany may win, and rightfully so. However, I think it ends in a draw. Just my opinion, and I have def been way wrong before.
In order for this " unspoken agreement " to happen, you will require 22 players, plus subs, to be on the same page. Even though they have been involved in competitive soccer their entire lives, where winning is a way of life, you are suggesting that they will all suddenly stop " competing " in order to accommodate an " unspoken agreement ". Since very few of these players are aware that they owe something to Klinsmann, it will be difficult to imagine them suddenly helping him out as a newly appointed American.
Yup, sounds very logical to me.
Good luck with that theory. I'm going to wager in accordance with the " will to win " and take matters into your own hands theory.
Apparently the odds makers disagree with you. Why else (as in any other match) would Germany only be a -135 favorite?
(Look, I agree with your logic. I also DO NOT think that there will be a colluded outcome. However, I think motivation will be a big factor as, and we may see some lineup changes.
You seem pretty adamant that Germany will come out in full force to win. I disagree. The situation at hand is that a draw suits both just fine, so why press (other than the 'will to win')? Germany may win, and rightfully so. However, I think it ends in a draw. Just my opinion, and I have def been way wrong before.
Apparently the odds makers disagree with you. Why else (as in any other match) would Germany only be a -135 favorite?
(Look, I agree with your logic. I also DO NOT think that there will be a colluded outcome. However, I think motivation will be a big factor as, and we may see some lineup changes.
You seem pretty adamant that Germany will come out in full force to win. I disagree. The situation at hand is that a draw suits both just fine, so why press (other than the 'will to win')? Germany may win, and rightfully so. However, I think it ends in a draw. Just my opinion, and I have def been way wrong before.
Lucrative, I too have been wrong before. But it just seems extremely unlikely that Germany will play this game in the hopes that a tie will get both teams through to the next round. Since both games are being played at the same time, they will play to take care of their own fate. The line at -.35, makes perfect sense, since Germany drew with Ghana, and beat Portugal 4 - 0 ( 2 goals vs 10 men ). The US beat Ghana and drew against an 11 man Portugal. If anything, based on this common history, the line would seem a bit inflated on Germany.
Never underestimate the value of a " key player ". Although he was rested against Portugal, since he was freshly returning from an injury, Schweinsteiger makes this team GO. He is our field general, and will certainly have a hand in Germany's game against the US.
BOL, on your tie wagers, I will be backing Germany with the thought that winning is vital to them.
Apparently the odds makers disagree with you. Why else (as in any other match) would Germany only be a -135 favorite?
(Look, I agree with your logic. I also DO NOT think that there will be a colluded outcome. However, I think motivation will be a big factor as, and we may see some lineup changes.
You seem pretty adamant that Germany will come out in full force to win. I disagree. The situation at hand is that a draw suits both just fine, so why press (other than the 'will to win')? Germany may win, and rightfully so. However, I think it ends in a draw. Just my opinion, and I have def been way wrong before.
Lucrative, I too have been wrong before. But it just seems extremely unlikely that Germany will play this game in the hopes that a tie will get both teams through to the next round. Since both games are being played at the same time, they will play to take care of their own fate. The line at -.35, makes perfect sense, since Germany drew with Ghana, and beat Portugal 4 - 0 ( 2 goals vs 10 men ). The US beat Ghana and drew against an 11 man Portugal. If anything, based on this common history, the line would seem a bit inflated on Germany.
Never underestimate the value of a " key player ". Although he was rested against Portugal, since he was freshly returning from an injury, Schweinsteiger makes this team GO. He is our field general, and will certainly have a hand in Germany's game against the US.
BOL, on your tie wagers, I will be backing Germany with the thought that winning is vital to them.
Lucrative, I too have been wrong before. But it just seems extremely unlikely that Germany will play this game in the hopes that a tie will get both teams through to the next round. Since both games are being played at the same time, they will play to take care of their own fate. The line at -.35, makes perfect sense, since Germany drew with Ghana, and beat Portugal 4 - 0 ( 2 goals vs 10 men ). The US beat Ghana and drew against an 11 man Portugal. If anything, based on this common history, the line would seem a bit inflated on Germany.
Never underestimate the value of a " key player ". Although he was rested against Portugal, since he was freshly returning from an injury, Schweinsteiger makes this team GO. He is our field general, and will certainly have a hand in Germany's game against the US.
BOL, on your tie wagers, I will be backing Germany with the thought that winning is vital to them.
You may be right. There may be value on getting Germany on a short line. However, I think that the line is a bit more indicative of the situation than the outcomes of the previous matches. I would have Germany at least -175 on any other given day.
Regardless, it is just one play. I hate to lay such a short number on a draw play as well.
Lucrative, I too have been wrong before. But it just seems extremely unlikely that Germany will play this game in the hopes that a tie will get both teams through to the next round. Since both games are being played at the same time, they will play to take care of their own fate. The line at -.35, makes perfect sense, since Germany drew with Ghana, and beat Portugal 4 - 0 ( 2 goals vs 10 men ). The US beat Ghana and drew against an 11 man Portugal. If anything, based on this common history, the line would seem a bit inflated on Germany.
Never underestimate the value of a " key player ". Although he was rested against Portugal, since he was freshly returning from an injury, Schweinsteiger makes this team GO. He is our field general, and will certainly have a hand in Germany's game against the US.
BOL, on your tie wagers, I will be backing Germany with the thought that winning is vital to them.
You may be right. There may be value on getting Germany on a short line. However, I think that the line is a bit more indicative of the situation than the outcomes of the previous matches. I would have Germany at least -175 on any other given day.
Regardless, it is just one play. I hate to lay such a short number on a draw play as well.
As franz already pointed out, plan A for germany is to win the group. Several interviews with german players, löw and bierhoff confirm this. Bierhoff said that germany wants to play against the second of the belgium group (russia or algeria) in porto alegre. The climate there suits them much better and the quarter final would be played in maracana. They want to take this way. And to make sure they have to win this match against USA. Imagine a 0-0 until minute 85' and the US scores a lucky goal after a corner kick. USA wins. Germany goes through as second (if ghana doesnt win by 3 or more). That would almost be a german desastre. Getting 4 points in group stage. Losing against the US and a draw against ghana. How do they want to justify that? The atmosphere in germany would change from "we can win it all" (after portugal) and "I hope tou stay in brazil the next years, löw" (after the US match). What I want to say is: In the german self understanding a second place behind the US is a desastre. Something you cannot sell in football germany. Löw knows that. And I'm sure he doesn't even think about an agreement for one second. The Germans want to win it. Theres no doubt. I'm telling you this as a german. I know the atmosphere here and everyone expects them to win. Im sure they will bring their best. Trying to score from the beginning. They want to win. And that's what counts for sports bettors. It guarantees us result based on the strength of both squads. And germany wins this game 8 out of 10 times. I see the reasons you have for a draw. But at +137 or +150...no way. Germany at -128 has a lot of value.
As franz already pointed out, plan A for germany is to win the group. Several interviews with german players, löw and bierhoff confirm this. Bierhoff said that germany wants to play against the second of the belgium group (russia or algeria) in porto alegre. The climate there suits them much better and the quarter final would be played in maracana. They want to take this way. And to make sure they have to win this match against USA. Imagine a 0-0 until minute 85' and the US scores a lucky goal after a corner kick. USA wins. Germany goes through as second (if ghana doesnt win by 3 or more). That would almost be a german desastre. Getting 4 points in group stage. Losing against the US and a draw against ghana. How do they want to justify that? The atmosphere in germany would change from "we can win it all" (after portugal) and "I hope tou stay in brazil the next years, löw" (after the US match). What I want to say is: In the german self understanding a second place behind the US is a desastre. Something you cannot sell in football germany. Löw knows that. And I'm sure he doesn't even think about an agreement for one second. The Germans want to win it. Theres no doubt. I'm telling you this as a german. I know the atmosphere here and everyone expects them to win. Im sure they will bring their best. Trying to score from the beginning. They want to win. And that's what counts for sports bettors. It guarantees us result based on the strength of both squads. And germany wins this game 8 out of 10 times. I see the reasons you have for a draw. But at +137 or +150...no way. Germany at -128 has a lot of value.
First of all, congrats to the US team. What a great fight you guys put up yesterday, cost me quite some money but I'm nonetheless happy for you.
Interesting thread, once again I have to agree with Dirk_Werner and even though nothing is secure this World Cup I think it is safe to assume the following:
- Another shame of Gijon 82 won't happen, both coaches and players have to much sportsmanship for that, I'm sure.
- Löw is heavily criticized in Germany for not having qualified already after 2 games, Bild is putting enormous pressure on him to change the lineup: - Schweinsteiger for Khedira, Lahm as rightback, Klose to start. All those replacements make sense.
- Of course the game can end in a draw just like every other game, but I expect that both teams will try to win for the first 70-75 minutes. Don't expect any "Klinsmann-bonus" or something because he is assumed to be a hero, in fact he is not. Public never really loved him as a coach but that also goes for Löw. I know some players didn't get along with Klinsi at all, especially Schweinsteiger.
I would argue that there is a bit of value on the Germany ML, but given that a tie satisfies both teams and in respect of the unbelievable fighting spirit of the US boys, I will likely stay away and simply enjoy this game and be happy for both teams. After all the time I spent in the US was a time I enjoyed to the fullest and contrary to other countries I lived in I can take no "Schadenfreude" in seeing the US lose.
First of all, congrats to the US team. What a great fight you guys put up yesterday, cost me quite some money but I'm nonetheless happy for you.
Interesting thread, once again I have to agree with Dirk_Werner and even though nothing is secure this World Cup I think it is safe to assume the following:
- Another shame of Gijon 82 won't happen, both coaches and players have to much sportsmanship for that, I'm sure.
- Löw is heavily criticized in Germany for not having qualified already after 2 games, Bild is putting enormous pressure on him to change the lineup: - Schweinsteiger for Khedira, Lahm as rightback, Klose to start. All those replacements make sense.
- Of course the game can end in a draw just like every other game, but I expect that both teams will try to win for the first 70-75 minutes. Don't expect any "Klinsmann-bonus" or something because he is assumed to be a hero, in fact he is not. Public never really loved him as a coach but that also goes for Löw. I know some players didn't get along with Klinsi at all, especially Schweinsteiger.
I would argue that there is a bit of value on the Germany ML, but given that a tie satisfies both teams and in respect of the unbelievable fighting spirit of the US boys, I will likely stay away and simply enjoy this game and be happy for both teams. After all the time I spent in the US was a time I enjoyed to the fullest and contrary to other countries I lived in I can take no "Schadenfreude" in seeing the US lose.
Well said Kaiser. This has zero to do with anything other then making a smart bet. As the thread heading stated....Germany -.28......And I'm here to totally agree.
Also, note the changes being considered......Schweinsteiger is more important to Germany then Messi is to Argentina. I believe the last 20 minutes of the Ghana game, was a sneak preview of that. Of course we could go back to head to head battles between Messi and Schweinsteiger......Germany 4 Argentina 0........Bayern 4 Barca 0.....Bayern 3 Barca 0.
Well said Kaiser. This has zero to do with anything other then making a smart bet. As the thread heading stated....Germany -.28......And I'm here to totally agree.
Also, note the changes being considered......Schweinsteiger is more important to Germany then Messi is to Argentina. I believe the last 20 minutes of the Ghana game, was a sneak preview of that. Of course we could go back to head to head battles between Messi and Schweinsteiger......Germany 4 Argentina 0........Bayern 4 Barca 0.....Bayern 3 Barca 0.
Interesting thread but a few ignorant posts like the last one. Why not offer some examples of where this has happened as a ratio to when it COULD have happened? Not one where you can't remember the teams or you're sure it happens a lot
This sort of theory with no factual back up is what the bookies love
And you called my post ignorant? First of all, if I had those stats, I would post them. Second of all, those who follow the WC already understand that this is a reality in 3rd round games, and shouldn't need more than that. Third, how exactly are bookies profiting from this information?
I think the problem is that you are looking for an easy winner... those don't exist. I'm just telling you that these things happen when you have a situation like we have with USA - Germany. I don't have any inside information that it WILL happen, or that there will be an agreement. But I can tell you neither team will be expending a whole lot of attacking energy if we are looking at a 0-0 or 1-1 situation in the 70th minute, if the score of the other game is still favoring an advance by both teams. They will be aware of the score of the Port-Ghana match, and if it's sitting on a draw or Port up by 1 goal, USA-Germany will not be working very hard to win it.
Also, you people talking about Germany worrying about not getting through... they will know by halftime whether that's even a possibility. Unless Ghana is up by at least 2 goals at HT, there is no way Germany is NOT getting through!
Interesting thread but a few ignorant posts like the last one. Why not offer some examples of where this has happened as a ratio to when it COULD have happened? Not one where you can't remember the teams or you're sure it happens a lot
This sort of theory with no factual back up is what the bookies love
And you called my post ignorant? First of all, if I had those stats, I would post them. Second of all, those who follow the WC already understand that this is a reality in 3rd round games, and shouldn't need more than that. Third, how exactly are bookies profiting from this information?
I think the problem is that you are looking for an easy winner... those don't exist. I'm just telling you that these things happen when you have a situation like we have with USA - Germany. I don't have any inside information that it WILL happen, or that there will be an agreement. But I can tell you neither team will be expending a whole lot of attacking energy if we are looking at a 0-0 or 1-1 situation in the 70th minute, if the score of the other game is still favoring an advance by both teams. They will be aware of the score of the Port-Ghana match, and if it's sitting on a draw or Port up by 1 goal, USA-Germany will not be working very hard to win it.
Also, you people talking about Germany worrying about not getting through... they will know by halftime whether that's even a possibility. Unless Ghana is up by at least 2 goals at HT, there is no way Germany is NOT getting through!
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