wallstreetcappers

I would expect a 100% walk back from the liberal trashing that Trump and the ultra right have been pounding, they have a strong sense of character and are more concerned with the truth and creating unity in society than to make a deceptive disgusting media splash and then walk away.

A true Christian would first not tell others to repent and condemn, and if a true Christian made a combative and judgemental error they seek forgiveness and make an admission of their sin and seek repentance themselves for unrighteous judgement and correct the lies they spun.

It will be glorious and unifying to see the ultra right reach out and make society a better place and hopefully change for a better future.

@StumpTownStu

 Some are saying he only went to USU for one semester and then went on an LDS mission which would make sense with how devout his family is and his upbringing. I do not see him as radical anything, at a maximum he did not understand the implications of his differences with Kirk. The more that social media deadens responsibility and accountability the more often we will see this happen. 

The LDS church already threw out their PR which of course is to CYA on a family who are devout members.

He and his family were members of the mega conservative LDS church but that tells you there is no branding or generalizing of human behavior even if Trump tries hard to make it so.

Well one thing is for sure if there is a way to connect him to the left and libs there are thousands of super sleuths working on making it a reality even if it isnt.

That kid does not look like a gang member or a lefty or anything outside of a dummy who does not understand the impacts of their anger and acting out. He looks like most any kid his age that you would see on that campus. I have family and friends living there in Orem/Provo and I spent time there myself but that is not something I am going to get into of course.

@StumpTownStu

 St.George is a retiree area, Washington County is pretty much Hurricane and St.George, neither have a heavy hispanic population, its 80% white and 10% hispanic with an aveage age of almost 40. That area is very conservative but less than to the north of the state and especially say Cedar City.

That kid had a very strict upbringing, how he would be in a gang with those parents is a bit of a long shot stretch.

@StumpTownStu

 How many gangs are there down in St.George? Its a sleepy retirement community, the multiple times I spent there I do not recall seeing thug gangs dragging the main street looking for recruits.

@unplucked_gem

Why make the comments when you do not want a response? Anyone can reply in this thread and if you make a critical comment to me you for sure can expect a reply. If you want a better result then be the better member and try to avoid personal attacks and breaking the rules.

@Miracling2

 Follow your messages in this thread, what did you say to him first? Did he engage with you and interact with you to deserve the reply you made? Did I deserve the reply you made to me and that I ignored?

If you want to fight with someone I would suggest you do not...but if you cant help yourself then only do this in the box, but it would be better if you tried to refrain in the first place.

@unplucked_gem

 This tells you plenty, you lean on the partisan crutch versus what the real issues are. CD did nothing that you are suggesting, if you feel he did then REPORT the issue and it will be looked into.

Members who cannot refrain from making personal remarks and attacks get boxed or banned, I think the reality is that some members here have an understanding of the rules and some do not.

You could try to be better at keeping the rules and try to see past your partisan biases and stick to the site rules and try getting along better with those you might disagree with.

@unplucked_gem

 Same goes for you in this case. Read the previous messages and understand context. It could be said that several of you have made boxable replies and probably many could be boxed. In THIS case, which is not your concern the member I asked to stop was the one who started the entire episode, then the member who was being targeted replied..

So before you go trying this schtick make sure you get a FULL context instead of just the vanilla mod blaming stuff you pull constantly.

Mugg deserved his boxing, the member he attacked did ZERO to deserve that reply, I dont care if you guys like his messages and that his critical observation about America is bothersome, it does NOT break the rules so if you are so bothered then quit replying to him and move along.

@Miracling2

 Take this combative stuff to the box, you have gone too far and I would appreciate your member to member fighting to end here and not continue.

There are large groups of people who rationalize awful words by using the Old Testament and the old law to speak things which are disgusting. These are not Christs words and his teachings and his life, this was the way people who would not listen where taught because they were (and still are not) ready for the new law which Christ brought. I do not consider people who espouse the OT as real pure Christians because Christ corrected and elevated the old law to a new and higher law.

I asked for examples that is not bait it is asking for your claims to be validated since you made them. You cant expect in a politics forum when the person who died was polarizing and destructive in the eyes of MANY people that there would not be commentary about his words and his impacts.

Here is a better example, there was a shooting the same day as this, the same equal aspect about humanity was lost...someone died due to the use of a firearm, same day same result. How many comments have been made about THAT situation versus this? THIS is the story not your fixation on the larger public spectacle. The guy made a career and wealth off divisive negative really poor commentary about those he did not agree with. 

How can you expect a different outcome when the party who died was as polarizing and abusive on this very topic?

@ABooksNightmare

 If you are placing fault make sure to be accurate in how these reactions are going and the context of the reactions. Where are the examples as to the way you are describing here on this forum WITH context? Are you also chastising the liberal comments and the member to member attacking or are you focusing only on the content about the person who was shot?

Id suggest all sides are equally reacting with some being reasonable and some being absurd, that is the way most controversial events seem to play out here and in society as a whole. I'm more offended with how the leader of this country immediately went to the partisan liberal blame card and made no efforts to be presidential and try to make a bad situation less combative. I expect the average social ebb and flow between partisan extremes but the way this admin handles most things is so poor and very divisive. 

@Rush51

 That I for sure do not agree with, free speech does not mean spew toxic dividing trash and offend innocent people to make money for yourself. I do not see free speech as a weapon to be good for society at all.

He never said what you suggested, you put words in his mouth to tick him off and how is that making for good conversation? This left vs right stuff is the entire problem and yet some here just lean on that as the only way to make a point which is pretty useless.

@Rush51

 He never said that and you know it. Why bait the guy and put words in his mouth? He said that if you upset enough people that things are more likely to happen and that is true. Why the left crap as the core of your message here? The guy spewed toxic garbage to divide and to make a name for himself, his life lost is no different than the hundreds of others who died today and especially the school shooting.

@StumpTownStu

 Orem isnt windy its far away from the mountains right close to Utah Lake..

Yeah I know Orem very well actually and there are absolutely so few liberals in Orem/Provo that its likely the person is not from the area. 

@unplucked_gem

 That is not reasonable at all. So to you being on that side of the spectrum, when do the words he say matter? Does it matter if an ultra conservative dies from the use of a weapon or does it matter when some faceless nameless average citizen dies from the use of a weapon?

I'd suggest his words matter for any single person living on this earth including him. How do you think the families and friends of those he minimized felt at the time he said those words to make a political point?

There is no good reason or explanation for many words he used, it harms people and has no place in a unified society, the words and purpose he used them is to divide and polarize for political gain. His loss of life due to a weapon is equal to any single person and the hundreds who today died from the use of weapons, every single life is equal in value and minimizing any loss of life is in very poor taste.

@jesron1269

 This is going off topic so just keep on topic and allow the thread to remain in this area and not be moved. My comments are fact not partisan, he is ultra conservative he said the words he did and many viewed those as callous and disrespectful so for sure it HAS already come up in conversation. None of what I said is off topic or inaccurate nor did I or anyone diminish loss of life. You on the other hand have made several liberal off topic comments and then come and try and pull the mod card again.

Keep on topic and be respectful to others even if you disagree with them, ESPECIALLY member to member comments. 

@Bigdoubleplay

 The purpose of the main forums is for respectful discussion and if this or any thread goes away from that is the issue so the same reply is made to you if that is not understood. Be respectful and considerate in your messages and make this a constructive conversation.