why are you so sure this bill wont pass, when every democrat including the blue dogs are going to vote for it? I think this bill is going to breeze thru as soon as the politicians get back from their break. Very few media sources are reporting whats inside this bullshit bill and that is very scary.
Soetoro needed this bill to pass before August recess. CONgress people will have a very rough time at their townhall meetings and will soon be more afraid of their constituents than Pelosi or Obama
politicians will always be after self preservation first (re-election). threaten them with unemployment and maybe they'll finally listen
media cheerleads for these idiots...NBC, CNBC, other networks...turn the tv off. get your news online...get it from overseas papers and tell your friends and family that way
why are you so sure this bill wont pass, when every democrat including the blue dogs are going to vote for it? I think this bill is going to breeze thru as soon as the politicians get back from their break. Very few media sources are reporting whats inside this bullshit bill and that is very scary.
Soetoro needed this bill to pass before August recess. CONgress people will have a very rough time at their townhall meetings and will soon be more afraid of their constituents than Pelosi or Obama
politicians will always be after self preservation first (re-election). threaten them with unemployment and maybe they'll finally listen
media cheerleads for these idiots...NBC, CNBC, other networks...turn the tv off. get your news online...get it from overseas papers and tell your friends and family that way
It looks like those with insurance will remain covered- just no new enrollees. Unfortunately, if this is true- new employees will have to with the gov't program.
I would agree that if ( and really depends on the final draft ) this sticks it will cause a complete meltdown-
The private insurers will lose by attrition if nothing else-
Interesting to see what the final draft looks like-
fyi - if there is a change to your benefits its considered a new enrollee or a new plan. that is not allowed under this bill
It looks like those with insurance will remain covered- just no new enrollees. Unfortunately, if this is true- new employees will have to with the gov't program.
I would agree that if ( and really depends on the final draft ) this sticks it will cause a complete meltdown-
The private insurers will lose by attrition if nothing else-
Interesting to see what the final draft looks like-
fyi - if there is a change to your benefits its considered a new enrollee or a new plan. that is not allowed under this bill
Guys, go look at your military spending alone and compare it to the total spending of most other countries. It's astronomical, and totally unnecissary...especially considering pressing domestic issues like the state of health care and the education system.
Health Care reform is not too expensive, and your taxes already should be paying for it right now.
If you go to these meetings, tell your rep that.
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The issue of what shape your reform should take...well if it is that hard to figure out, take some points from the other 30 something countries ranked ahead that seem to do it that much better.
Of course then they might have to say stop eating Burger King 10 times/week.
Guys, go look at your military spending alone and compare it to the total spending of most other countries. It's astronomical, and totally unnecissary...especially considering pressing domestic issues like the state of health care and the education system.
Health Care reform is not too expensive, and your taxes already should be paying for it right now.
If you go to these meetings, tell your rep that.
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The issue of what shape your reform should take...well if it is that hard to figure out, take some points from the other 30 something countries ranked ahead that seem to do it that much better.
Of course then they might have to say stop eating Burger King 10 times/week.
Health Care reform is not too expensive, and your taxes already should be paying for it right now.
If you go to these meetings, tell your rep that. ----------- uh...no
i dont want the government involved in healthcare. cash for clunkers has been out there for a week and already its backlogged. no way i want these idiots dealing with health benefits
fyi - military spending was up 13% in Q2. wonder if obama can still blame that on bush...he is no different
Health Care reform is not too expensive, and your taxes already should be paying for it right now.
If you go to these meetings, tell your rep that. ----------- uh...no
i dont want the government involved in healthcare. cash for clunkers has been out there for a week and already its backlogged. no way i want these idiots dealing with health benefits
fyi - military spending was up 13% in Q2. wonder if obama can still blame that on bush...he is no different
Seriously KOAJ, go look at the (amount) spent on military, then compare that dollar figure to the TOTAL spending of most other countries.
You're already paying for healthcare reform, it's just not going there.
And don't tell me you 'dont want the government involved in healthcare' when there is an obvious problem. Take a look at the numerous other countries with universal, state run or state organized health care, which are ranked much higher.
We've already been over this; you're already spending way more on healthcare right now that these countries are.
Seriously KOAJ, go look at the (amount) spent on military, then compare that dollar figure to the TOTAL spending of most other countries.
You're already paying for healthcare reform, it's just not going there.
And don't tell me you 'dont want the government involved in healthcare' when there is an obvious problem. Take a look at the numerous other countries with universal, state run or state organized health care, which are ranked much higher.
We've already been over this; you're already spending way more on healthcare right now that these countries are.
Guys, go look at your military spending alone and compare it to the total spending of most other countries. It's astronomical, and totally unnecissary...especially considering pressing domestic issues like the state of health care and the education system.
Health Care reform is not too expensive, and your taxes already should be paying for it right now.
If you go to these meetings, tell your rep that.
---
The issue of what shape your reform should take...well if it is that hard to figure out, take some points from the other 30 something countries ranked ahead that seem to do it that much better.
Of course then they might have to say stop eating Burger King 10 times/week.
Disco, its not about how this stuff gets paid for, its about i dont want the govt running the whole healthcare system. Just read some of the bill and you will shit your pants. This bill is the biggest invasion of privacy and taking away of your rights i have ever seen. This bill is bad. Am all for helping people who dont have insurance, but this bill is totally wrong way to do it. Whats next the govt will start handling our car insurance? This crap needs to stop right now before its to late.
Watch 20/20 tonight, john stossel has a report about healthcare and all those countries that have the free stuff. Looks very scary.
I just had a heart petscan today and i had no trouble getting it with my insurance. I dont want some politician deciding if i get things like this done. You better open your eyes soon and realize we made a bad mistake voting for Obama. If that jerk Mccain wouldnt have picked Palin, he would have gotton my vote.
Guys, go look at your military spending alone and compare it to the total spending of most other countries. It's astronomical, and totally unnecissary...especially considering pressing domestic issues like the state of health care and the education system.
Health Care reform is not too expensive, and your taxes already should be paying for it right now.
If you go to these meetings, tell your rep that.
---
The issue of what shape your reform should take...well if it is that hard to figure out, take some points from the other 30 something countries ranked ahead that seem to do it that much better.
Of course then they might have to say stop eating Burger King 10 times/week.
Disco, its not about how this stuff gets paid for, its about i dont want the govt running the whole healthcare system. Just read some of the bill and you will shit your pants. This bill is the biggest invasion of privacy and taking away of your rights i have ever seen. This bill is bad. Am all for helping people who dont have insurance, but this bill is totally wrong way to do it. Whats next the govt will start handling our car insurance? This crap needs to stop right now before its to late.
Watch 20/20 tonight, john stossel has a report about healthcare and all those countries that have the free stuff. Looks very scary.
I just had a heart petscan today and i had no trouble getting it with my insurance. I dont want some politician deciding if i get things like this done. You better open your eyes soon and realize we made a bad mistake voting for Obama. If that jerk Mccain wouldnt have picked Palin, he would have gotton my vote.
This health care plan from Obama is way to soft. He ought to go the whole way and come up with a plan for universal health care and no insurance company's.
This health care plan from Obama is way to soft. He ought to go the whole way and come up with a plan for universal health care and no insurance company's.
Seriously KOAJ, go look at the (amount) spent on military, then compare that dollar figure to the TOTAL spending of most other countries.
You're already paying for healthcare reform, it's just not going there.
And don't tell me you 'dont want the government involved in healthcare' when there is an obvious problem. Take a look at the numerous other countries with universal, state run or state organized health care, which are ranked much higher.
We've already been over this; you're already spending way more on healthcare right now that these countries are.
And you don't think you need reform??
reality check please
get government out of healthcare for real reform
-offer tax deductible HSAs -allow small businesses to pool resources to buy cheaper -allow me to cross state lines to buy a better plan -limit malpractice payouts and lower insurance fees doctors pay
all of this is passed along to the consumer in the form of raised premiums
if gov gets involved, companies will drop benefits for employees b/c .govs plan will be cheaper for them...then everyone waits in line at the free clinic behind the illegals
maybe chris dodd and ted kennedy will wait there with us
Seriously KOAJ, go look at the (amount) spent on military, then compare that dollar figure to the TOTAL spending of most other countries.
You're already paying for healthcare reform, it's just not going there.
And don't tell me you 'dont want the government involved in healthcare' when there is an obvious problem. Take a look at the numerous other countries with universal, state run or state organized health care, which are ranked much higher.
We've already been over this; you're already spending way more on healthcare right now that these countries are.
And you don't think you need reform??
reality check please
get government out of healthcare for real reform
-offer tax deductible HSAs -allow small businesses to pool resources to buy cheaper -allow me to cross state lines to buy a better plan -limit malpractice payouts and lower insurance fees doctors pay
all of this is passed along to the consumer in the form of raised premiums
if gov gets involved, companies will drop benefits for employees b/c .govs plan will be cheaper for them...then everyone waits in line at the free clinic behind the illegals
maybe chris dodd and ted kennedy will wait there with us
This health care plan from Obama is way to soft. He ought to go the whole way and come up with a plan for universal health care and no insurance company's.
Just like in Canada and Denmark.
Exactly
cd- I don't have to go through a beurocrat to see my doctor or get treated at the hospital. That's a scare tactic.
I don't know what is going on down there but the US gov't is still making me nervous as hell
This health care plan from Obama is way to soft. He ought to go the whole way and come up with a plan for universal health care and no insurance company's.
Just like in Canada and Denmark.
Exactly
cd- I don't have to go through a beurocrat to see my doctor or get treated at the hospital. That's a scare tactic.
I don't know what is going on down there but the US gov't is still making me nervous as hell
-offer tax deductible HSAs -allow small businesses to pool resources to buy cheaper -allow me to cross state lines to buy a better plan -limit malpractice payouts and lower insurance fees doctors pay
all of this is passed along to the consumer in the form of raised premiums
if gov gets involved, companies will drop benefits for employees b/c .govs plan will be cheaper for them...then everyone waits in line at the free clinic behind the illegals
maybe chris dodd and ted kennedy will wait there with us
So you like paying more because it's in the private sector?
If public plans are cheaper (you just said so), and and state run healthcare is much much better (see WHO study/rankings courtesy of political-platipus), then what, exactly, is your arguement against state run, universal health care?
-offer tax deductible HSAs -allow small businesses to pool resources to buy cheaper -allow me to cross state lines to buy a better plan -limit malpractice payouts and lower insurance fees doctors pay
all of this is passed along to the consumer in the form of raised premiums
if gov gets involved, companies will drop benefits for employees b/c .govs plan will be cheaper for them...then everyone waits in line at the free clinic behind the illegals
maybe chris dodd and ted kennedy will wait there with us
So you like paying more because it's in the private sector?
If public plans are cheaper (you just said so), and and state run healthcare is much much better (see WHO study/rankings courtesy of political-platipus), then what, exactly, is your arguement against state run, universal health care?
This health care plan from Obama is way to soft. He ought to go the whole way and come up with a plan for universal health care and no insurance company's.
Just like in Canada and Denmark. [Quote Mikael99]
Americans are spoiled, they expect 1st rate Health Care and will not be happy to settle for a plan that would offer inferior care..........
This health care plan from Obama is way to soft. He ought to go the whole way and come up with a plan for universal health care and no insurance company's.
Just like in Canada and Denmark. [Quote Mikael99]
Americans are spoiled, they expect 1st rate Health Care and will not be happy to settle for a plan that would offer inferior care..........
So you like paying more because it's in the private sector?
If public plans are cheaper (you just said so), and and state run healthcare is much much better (see WHO study/rankings courtesy of political-platipus), then what, exactly, is your arguement against state run, universal health care?
lol cheaper for businesses...they would be paying additional taxes in to the system + HC benefits for their employees
So you like paying more because it's in the private sector?
If public plans are cheaper (you just said so), and and state run healthcare is much much better (see WHO study/rankings courtesy of political-platipus), then what, exactly, is your arguement against state run, universal health care?
lol cheaper for businesses...they would be paying additional taxes in to the system + HC benefits for their employees
no because taxes are raised on small businesses and 250k+ earners to pay for everyone else
those are the people who hire the rest of us
their cost of doing business goes up, less of us get hired
cheaper doesnt mean better and nothing the government does is cheaper. their 10-20 year medicare budget projections from the mid 60s were under by 100x. thats not cheaper and that eventually has to get paid down by the taxpayer
no because taxes are raised on small businesses and 250k+ earners to pay for everyone else
those are the people who hire the rest of us
their cost of doing business goes up, less of us get hired
cheaper doesnt mean better and nothing the government does is cheaper. their 10-20 year medicare budget projections from the mid 60s were under by 100x. thats not cheaper and that eventually has to get paid down by the taxpayer
Bud, I don't know what crazy system you guys have down there but it needs serious reform.
You don't want the gov't in anything because they 'can't do anything right' but just look at the military... If they put effort into it, it gets done.
And speaking of the military, don't vets already receive free healthcare? If gov't healthcare is so bad how come they give it to all the soldiers?
And aren't many of you right wing guys claiming to be vets....if I understand that right, you guys would be against the universal healcare for everybody that you already receive??
Bud, I don't know what crazy system you guys have down there but it needs serious reform.
You don't want the gov't in anything because they 'can't do anything right' but just look at the military... If they put effort into it, it gets done.
And speaking of the military, don't vets already receive free healthcare? If gov't healthcare is so bad how come they give it to all the soldiers?
And aren't many of you right wing guys claiming to be vets....if I understand that right, you guys would be against the universal healcare for everybody that you already receive??
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