Well first off you are wrong about the saints that team with decent qb play is a playoff team.. and the falcons have the right coach he’s going to be a good one for a while ..
but i can’t get over Detroit over 78 wins … you are just throwing money away .. before lockout they were a dark horse and probably over 78 since lol made no moves… after .. lost 3 of their best relievers .. and twins went in on making a run .. making them the 4th or 5th best team in that division .. they might be above guardians .. but royals are the dark horse in that division just because they have the 2nd best lineup in that division.
Well first off you are wrong about the saints that team with decent qb play is a playoff team.. and the falcons have the right coach he’s going to be a good one for a while ..
but i can’t get over Detroit over 78 wins … you are just throwing money away .. before lockout they were a dark horse and probably over 78 since lol made no moves… after .. lost 3 of their best relievers .. and twins went in on making a run .. making them the 4th or 5th best team in that division .. they might be above guardians .. but royals are the dark horse in that division just because they have the 2nd best lineup in that division.
In usually horrible at mlb futures ...I won last year, so I'll probably lose my arse this season ...Already foolishly tied up $1760 On NY METS over 88.5 , and fhen another $1760 on METS under 90.5 when the Degrom injury was announced...Probably just lose the $176 juice on the initial $1600 bets...I have not bet on the Tigers yet , and might not at this point ...
I could be way off on the Saints ..Do like Ian Book though, felt bad when he got thrown into the fire last year...I'll check back on them after the draft ....
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In usually horrible at mlb futures ...I won last year, so I'll probably lose my arse this season ...Already foolishly tied up $1760 On NY METS over 88.5 , and fhen another $1760 on METS under 90.5 when the Degrom injury was announced...Probably just lose the $176 juice on the initial $1600 bets...I have not bet on the Tigers yet , and might not at this point ...
I could be way off on the Saints ..Do like Ian Book though, felt bad when he got thrown into the fire last year...I'll check back on them after the draft ....
Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: SAINTS. 8. -150. No way this team wins 9 games...Understand why the juice is outrageous They won 9 last year with 4 different QBs, no OLine, and no WRs. Payton had alot to do with it. I dont see Saints winning 11 games if they stay healthy but the coaches and Winston would have to completely shit the bed to only get 3 wins. Alot of playoff teams on this schedule. We'll see what they do but I wouldn't take the over either with that juice. I saw 8 - 115 online.
They played much better last year than I expected despite all the injuries like you mentioned .
A healthy Winston and they might have won 11-12 games...
I originally graded the offseason a failure with the losses of Armstead and Marcus Williams ....The resigning of Winston is a plus , and I like the Safety they got from the Jets ( Marcus Maye ) , but coming off a torn Achilles is a concern ....The Kentavius Street signing went under the radar , he could take a big step forward with a larger role ...Seems make or break for Taco ....
Schedule looks tough on paper ( I'd guess they're the chalk in 5 of 17 on the goy lines )
Out of division on road 49ers , Cardinals, Eagles ,Browns, Steelers
Home Seahawks ,Rams, Vikings, Ravens, Bengals, Raiders..
Could see rhem winning anywhere from 5-9 games...
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Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: SAINTS. 8. -150. No way this team wins 9 games...Understand why the juice is outrageous They won 9 last year with 4 different QBs, no OLine, and no WRs. Payton had alot to do with it. I dont see Saints winning 11 games if they stay healthy but the coaches and Winston would have to completely shit the bed to only get 3 wins. Alot of playoff teams on this schedule. We'll see what they do but I wouldn't take the over either with that juice. I saw 8 - 115 online.
They played much better last year than I expected despite all the injuries like you mentioned .
A healthy Winston and they might have won 11-12 games...
I originally graded the offseason a failure with the losses of Armstead and Marcus Williams ....The resigning of Winston is a plus , and I like the Safety they got from the Jets ( Marcus Maye ) , but coming off a torn Achilles is a concern ....The Kentavius Street signing went under the radar , he could take a big step forward with a larger role ...Seems make or break for Taco ....
Schedule looks tough on paper ( I'd guess they're the chalk in 5 of 17 on the goy lines )
Out of division on road 49ers , Cardinals, Eagles ,Browns, Steelers
Home Seahawks ,Rams, Vikings, Ravens, Bengals, Raiders..
Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: SAINTS. 8. -150. No way this team wins 9 games...Understand why the juice is outrageous They won 9 last year with 4 different QBs, no OLine, and no WRs. Payton had alot to do with it. I dont see Saints winning 11 games if they stay healthy but the coaches and Winston would have to completely shit the bed to only get 3 wins. Alot of playoff teams on this schedule. We'll see what they do but I wouldn't take the over either with that juice. I saw 8 - 115 online. They played much better last year than I expected despite all the injuries like you mentioned . A healthy Winston and they might have won 11-12 games... I originally graded the offseason a failure with the losses of Armstead and Marcus Williams ....The resigning of Winston is a plus , and I like the Safety they got from the Jets ( Marcus Maye ) , but coming off a torn Achilles is a concern ....The Kentavius Street signing went under the radar , he could take a big step forward with a larger role ...Seems make or break for Taco .... Schedule looks tough on paper ( I'd guess they're the chalk in 5 of 17 on the goy lines ) Out of division on road 49ers , Cardinals, Eagles ,Browns, Steelers Home Seahawks ,Rams, Vikings, Ravens, Bengals, Raiders.. Could see rhem winning anywhere from 5-9 games...
Im not disagreeing with you. Saints have I think 5 playoff teams on schedule. It will be difficult. We had the Bucs number for years. We'll see if that changes without Payton. I'll know more once I see the schedule after the draft. We went 9-8 ats last year. I think Saints do better than that this year but it doesn't mean it translates to more wins. Good luck this year. I hope your Bills win it all. I was rooting for them last year.
Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: SAINTS. 8. -150. No way this team wins 9 games...Understand why the juice is outrageous They won 9 last year with 4 different QBs, no OLine, and no WRs. Payton had alot to do with it. I dont see Saints winning 11 games if they stay healthy but the coaches and Winston would have to completely shit the bed to only get 3 wins. Alot of playoff teams on this schedule. We'll see what they do but I wouldn't take the over either with that juice. I saw 8 - 115 online. They played much better last year than I expected despite all the injuries like you mentioned . A healthy Winston and they might have won 11-12 games... I originally graded the offseason a failure with the losses of Armstead and Marcus Williams ....The resigning of Winston is a plus , and I like the Safety they got from the Jets ( Marcus Maye ) , but coming off a torn Achilles is a concern ....The Kentavius Street signing went under the radar , he could take a big step forward with a larger role ...Seems make or break for Taco .... Schedule looks tough on paper ( I'd guess they're the chalk in 5 of 17 on the goy lines ) Out of division on road 49ers , Cardinals, Eagles ,Browns, Steelers Home Seahawks ,Rams, Vikings, Ravens, Bengals, Raiders.. Could see rhem winning anywhere from 5-9 games...
Im not disagreeing with you. Saints have I think 5 playoff teams on schedule. It will be difficult. We had the Bucs number for years. We'll see if that changes without Payton. I'll know more once I see the schedule after the draft. We went 9-8 ats last year. I think Saints do better than that this year but it doesn't mean it translates to more wins. Good luck this year. I hope your Bills win it all. I was rooting for them last year.
Worst Record prop was released this morning at Seneca Buffalo /Bet Rivers ...
I plan on taking 4-5 teams just likeast season ....
BEARS +1200 $250/3000
Only selection for now ..Like the price on a squad that might have the worst o line in the league...Right now my projections have rhe Bears winning between 2-6 games ..
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Worst Record prop was released this morning at Seneca Buffalo /Bet Rivers ...
I plan on taking 4-5 teams just likeast season ....
BEARS +1200 $250/3000
Only selection for now ..Like the price on a squad that might have the worst o line in the league...Right now my projections have rhe Bears winning between 2-6 games ..
Saints are getting the love/respect they deserve with that roster....Honey Badger was also added on that already dominant defense. Payton gone is only negative for them I see.
Seahawks are still in running for worst for same reason I listed previously..... Geno? Diddy Lock? No thank you.
I've warmed up some to the Jags. Meyer was just a dumpster fire, they have to get better. I'm passing on them for worst record and not playing the win total. This is Pederson's second go around and even if his previous offensive success is attributed to Reich, even average coaches learn from their first go around and I'm expecting him to have a solid 6-7 win season.
Saints are getting the love/respect they deserve with that roster....Honey Badger was also added on that already dominant defense. Payton gone is only negative for them I see.
Seahawks are still in running for worst for same reason I listed previously..... Geno? Diddy Lock? No thank you.
I've warmed up some to the Jags. Meyer was just a dumpster fire, they have to get better. I'm passing on them for worst record and not playing the win total. This is Pederson's second go around and even if his previous offensive success is attributed to Reich, even average coaches learn from their first go around and I'm expecting him to have a solid 6-7 win season.
ÌSeahawks play in a tough division compared to some of the other bottom feeders Like improvements outta jags, lions and maybe giants this year with new coach Jets, bears, Texans and falcons should be really bad as well Jets an Seahawks may have trouble going 2-4 in their divisions ... I overrated the bears D which is why I left them off earlier. But looking at the roster the D isn't that great
Really close to adding the Seahawks at +800 ..Like you mention division is tough...My current numbers have them winning between 1-5 games ...
Falcons and Texans bad too, but I'm not a fan of their current prices..
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ÌSeahawks play in a tough division compared to some of the other bottom feeders Like improvements outta jags, lions and maybe giants this year with new coach Jets, bears, Texans and falcons should be really bad as well Jets an Seahawks may have trouble going 2-4 in their divisions ... I overrated the bears D which is why I left them off earlier. But looking at the roster the D isn't that great
Really close to adding the Seahawks at +800 ..Like you mention division is tough...My current numbers have them winning between 1-5 games ...
Falcons and Texans bad too, but I'm not a fan of their current prices..
How bad does the NFL wish they could get rid of Daniel Snyder ...Perfect heel to root against though ,feel horrible for their awesome fan base . All that being said I wouldn't be shocked if they won the division or lost 14 games...For just 0.4 units ( $80) why not???
Expected this proce to be around +1850.
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How bad does the NFL wish they could get rid of Daniel Snyder ...Perfect heel to root against though ,feel horrible for their awesome fan base . All that being said I wouldn't be shocked if they won the division or lost 14 games...For just 0.4 units ( $80) why not???
Bears - have no OL, lacking at the skill positions
Seattle - QB and RB situations are a tire fire. What happens when Penny gets injured as usual?
Atlanta - clearly tanking, bad OL, great TE but not much else there
Jets - I’m not a believer in Wilson. I do like Saleh.
Hon mention: was tempted to put Carolina here, but they do have a lot of talent on that team. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rhule responds well to the pressure and lights a fire.
Bears - have no OL, lacking at the skill positions
Seattle - QB and RB situations are a tire fire. What happens when Penny gets injured as usual?
Atlanta - clearly tanking, bad OL, great TE but not much else there
Jets - I’m not a believer in Wilson. I do like Saleh.
Hon mention: was tempted to put Carolina here, but they do have a lot of talent on that team. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rhule responds well to the pressure and lights a fire.
I was surprised the Saints didn’t make a push for one of the big QBs. They are a QB away from being a solid playoff team, especially if Kamara stays out of prison.
I was surprised the Saints didn’t make a push for one of the big QBs. They are a QB away from being a solid playoff team, especially if Kamara stays out of prison.
I considered Texans, but Davis Mills actually showed improvement over the course of last year, and they really improved the roster over last season. I think the Jags will be more competitive too.
I agree with you on the Jets. Miami, NE, and Buffalo make that a damn hard division.
The Falcons OL is so bad, and Carolina’s defense can be really good (they were a Top 5 defense at the start of 2021, ie the first few games), that I can see Carolina beating Atlanta twice. Atlanta and the Bears are basically just getting their young guys reps to see who they should keep around, and who they should cut loose - almost treading the entire season as if it were the preseason.
Pat Curwin and Jim Miller said on their show that there will be some games where the Bears are down by three scores, and they’ll be in 21 formation running the ball because they need to teach their OL how to do basic run plays. As the season goes on, there will be tremendous value if you identify any opponents with a killer defensive line. Could get real ugly for the Bears and Falcons.
I considered Texans, but Davis Mills actually showed improvement over the course of last year, and they really improved the roster over last season. I think the Jags will be more competitive too.
I agree with you on the Jets. Miami, NE, and Buffalo make that a damn hard division.
The Falcons OL is so bad, and Carolina’s defense can be really good (they were a Top 5 defense at the start of 2021, ie the first few games), that I can see Carolina beating Atlanta twice. Atlanta and the Bears are basically just getting their young guys reps to see who they should keep around, and who they should cut loose - almost treading the entire season as if it were the preseason.
Pat Curwin and Jim Miller said on their show that there will be some games where the Bears are down by three scores, and they’ll be in 21 formation running the ball because they need to teach their OL how to do basic run plays. As the season goes on, there will be tremendous value if you identify any opponents with a killer defensive line. Could get real ugly for the Bears and Falcons.
@DoubleUp4Life Bears - have no OL, lacking at the skill positions Seattle - QB and RB situations are a tire fire. What happens when Penny gets injured as usual? Atlanta - clearly tanking, bad OL, great TE but not much else there Jets - I’m not a believer in Wilson. I do like Saleh. Hon mention: was tempted to put Carolina here, but they do have a lot of talent on that team. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rhule responds well to the pressure and lights a fire.
Great post Brother !!!!!
Not bc I agree with almost everything you wrote either..lol
Not confidentially the teams you mention all could have horrible o Lines.....Extremely difficult to win a 7-+ games with bottomn6 o line+ weak roster unless your qb is elite ...none of the squads you mentioned are UT of the realm for worst record...
Panthers could be improved , plenty of variance when forecasting them Imo though..
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@DoubleUp4Life Bears - have no OL, lacking at the skill positions Seattle - QB and RB situations are a tire fire. What happens when Penny gets injured as usual? Atlanta - clearly tanking, bad OL, great TE but not much else there Jets - I’m not a believer in Wilson. I do like Saleh. Hon mention: was tempted to put Carolina here, but they do have a lot of talent on that team. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rhule responds well to the pressure and lights a fire.
Great post Brother !!!!!
Not bc I agree with almost everything you wrote either..lol
Not confidentially the teams you mention all could have horrible o Lines.....Extremely difficult to win a 7-+ games with bottomn6 o line+ weak roster unless your qb is elite ...none of the squads you mentioned are UT of the realm for worst record...
Panthers could be improved , plenty of variance when forecasting them Imo though..
Agree, who knows about the Panthers. From a stock market perspective they are pure volatility - I will stay away unless Rhule loses the team, then I’ll fade them hard. If Rhule wins with them a bit they aren’t good enough to trust him, lol. Kind of like the Angels in MLB, I have a rule set to either fade them or bet the over - if I find myself wanting to bet on them I just don’t do it because they disappoint so much.
Re OLs, I’m a Cardinals and AZ Wildcats fan so I know quite a lot about poor OL play leading to losses. That’s what’s so amazing about the Cards’ run to the SB in 2008 - they only got there because of Kurt Warner and his quick reads out of the spread offense. Todd Haley was ultimately proven to not be a genius, as he burned out badly after he left AZ for the bigger paydays. The prior year Kurt Warner and his colleagues were getting killed due to poor OL play - I know, I paid a few G’s to go to 4-5 games. The takeaway is: you can win with a bad OL if you have a total hero QB. Do the Falcons, Bears have hero QBs? Nope. Gonna be a loooong year for those two teams haha.
And I love the Bears - been a second city fan of them since ‘88. (Dad is from Chicago.) Still, when Jim Miller says they’re gonna stink - heed that warning!!!!
Agree, who knows about the Panthers. From a stock market perspective they are pure volatility - I will stay away unless Rhule loses the team, then I’ll fade them hard. If Rhule wins with them a bit they aren’t good enough to trust him, lol. Kind of like the Angels in MLB, I have a rule set to either fade them or bet the over - if I find myself wanting to bet on them I just don’t do it because they disappoint so much.
Re OLs, I’m a Cardinals and AZ Wildcats fan so I know quite a lot about poor OL play leading to losses. That’s what’s so amazing about the Cards’ run to the SB in 2008 - they only got there because of Kurt Warner and his quick reads out of the spread offense. Todd Haley was ultimately proven to not be a genius, as he burned out badly after he left AZ for the bigger paydays. The prior year Kurt Warner and his colleagues were getting killed due to poor OL play - I know, I paid a few G’s to go to 4-5 games. The takeaway is: you can win with a bad OL if you have a total hero QB. Do the Falcons, Bears have hero QBs? Nope. Gonna be a loooong year for those two teams haha.
And I love the Bears - been a second city fan of them since ‘88. (Dad is from Chicago.) Still, when Jim Miller says they’re gonna stink - heed that warning!!!!
About 10 days ago I put a few hundo on the Bears to win less than 6.5, but I think you’re right there’s value on them being the worst.
re: Jets on the Covers podcast, a recent guest was bullish on the Jets being good. I don’t necessarily agree with his optimism - I see the skill at other positions and do like Saleh, but I don’t believe in Wilson and it’s a tough division
About 10 days ago I put a few hundo on the Bears to win less than 6.5, but I think you’re right there’s value on them being the worst.
re: Jets on the Covers podcast, a recent guest was bullish on the Jets being good. I don’t necessarily agree with his optimism - I see the skill at other positions and do like Saleh, but I don’t believe in Wilson and it’s a tough division
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