Our divisional dog week 1 angle crashed and burned with losses on Falcons, Seahawks, Bears and a win on Cleveland.
Gambling gods will send us a lucky win or two after our week 1 debacle.
Watched Bears/Vikings game with interest....as I did put a bet on Vikes at last minute that I didn't post, that looked hopeless for most of the game....until it wasn't.
Perhaps JJ McCarthy is one of those quarterbacks that is a winner.....he'll never throw the pretty ball like Sam Darnold, but whereas Darnold found a way to lose a winnable game on Sunday, McCarthy figured out a way to win when it looked pretty abysmal for most of the game.
Winners at the quarterback position are rare, and a team is super lucky if they happen to luck out and have one....the winners that elevated their team that come to mind, going waaaay back.....Jim Krieg, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Joe Kapp, Brady, Josh Allen,...there's probably a few more that I don't recall.
And changing sports, going way back....no one would argue that Bill Russell wasn't as good of a basketball player as was Wilt Chamberlain,....however Russell was the better leader, the better teammate, and the better winner,.........the most prolific winner in all of team sports in American history.
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Our divisional dog week 1 angle crashed and burned with losses on Falcons, Seahawks, Bears and a win on Cleveland.
Gambling gods will send us a lucky win or two after our week 1 debacle.
Watched Bears/Vikings game with interest....as I did put a bet on Vikes at last minute that I didn't post, that looked hopeless for most of the game....until it wasn't.
Perhaps JJ McCarthy is one of those quarterbacks that is a winner.....he'll never throw the pretty ball like Sam Darnold, but whereas Darnold found a way to lose a winnable game on Sunday, McCarthy figured out a way to win when it looked pretty abysmal for most of the game.
Winners at the quarterback position are rare, and a team is super lucky if they happen to luck out and have one....the winners that elevated their team that come to mind, going waaaay back.....Jim Krieg, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Joe Kapp, Brady, Josh Allen,...there's probably a few more that I don't recall.
And changing sports, going way back....no one would argue that Bill Russell wasn't as good of a basketball player as was Wilt Chamberlain,....however Russell was the better leader, the better teammate, and the better winner,.........the most prolific winner in all of team sports in American history.
And having a winner at the quarterback position?..... the Bears don't have one in Caleb Williams....he's a physical freak, and will make some spectacular plays with his legs, but the bonehead plays will greatly outnumber the amazing. No pocket pressure, more concerned with his image than winning football games,....throws inaccurately and indiscriminately when pressured, and I am not sure if Caleb Williams loves football....their backup quarterback is much, much better.
And I have concerns after watching the game with the coach as well. I am sure he can coach offense and is very good in the building from Monday to Saturday. However, I don't think he is a leader, and on Sunday when the bullets are flying, can you make the right in-game decisions that Belichick always seemed to make when he had Brady? It is not looking likely. And reading the comments from those in Detroit, they credit the offensive structure they have/had in place to Dan Campbell, NOT Ben Johnson.
The fans are going to turn on this team if they don't win at least 9 games this season, as they seemingly have got all their pieces in place...the o-line, the defensive coordinator...though they are really beat up in the secondary. But of course, the qb and the coach are the King and queen on the chess board.....everyone else is basically servants to their royalty and I rank both of them in the bottom 10 in the league, which equates to underachieving.
As far as learning the game, game smarts I feel are either something you or you don't. I watched Cam Ward go against the Broncos in Denver, which is a pretty tough place to play. He didn't play well, and late in the game he started throwing fastballs that sizzled through receivers at the end of the game, though a professional receiver would be expected to make some of those catches. He took sacks when his team was in position to go up with a field goal. But all in all, it looked like he cared for his team and wanted to win. He'll get better and will lift his team in the future, despite his coach not being at the level of a Kevin O'Connell. The Titans will have to draft a stud wide receiver in their next draft, and some offensive linemen.
Ward I feel possesses the intangibles that I feel Williams lacks....we'll see things go for both Ward and Williams as the season progresses.
Plays:
1) Jaguars +3'....line looks like it is headed to +3
2) Chiefs +1
3) Tians +5'
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And having a winner at the quarterback position?..... the Bears don't have one in Caleb Williams....he's a physical freak, and will make some spectacular plays with his legs, but the bonehead plays will greatly outnumber the amazing. No pocket pressure, more concerned with his image than winning football games,....throws inaccurately and indiscriminately when pressured, and I am not sure if Caleb Williams loves football....their backup quarterback is much, much better.
And I have concerns after watching the game with the coach as well. I am sure he can coach offense and is very good in the building from Monday to Saturday. However, I don't think he is a leader, and on Sunday when the bullets are flying, can you make the right in-game decisions that Belichick always seemed to make when he had Brady? It is not looking likely. And reading the comments from those in Detroit, they credit the offensive structure they have/had in place to Dan Campbell, NOT Ben Johnson.
The fans are going to turn on this team if they don't win at least 9 games this season, as they seemingly have got all their pieces in place...the o-line, the defensive coordinator...though they are really beat up in the secondary. But of course, the qb and the coach are the King and queen on the chess board.....everyone else is basically servants to their royalty and I rank both of them in the bottom 10 in the league, which equates to underachieving.
As far as learning the game, game smarts I feel are either something you or you don't. I watched Cam Ward go against the Broncos in Denver, which is a pretty tough place to play. He didn't play well, and late in the game he started throwing fastballs that sizzled through receivers at the end of the game, though a professional receiver would be expected to make some of those catches. He took sacks when his team was in position to go up with a field goal. But all in all, it looked like he cared for his team and wanted to win. He'll get better and will lift his team in the future, despite his coach not being at the level of a Kevin O'Connell. The Titans will have to draft a stud wide receiver in their next draft, and some offensive linemen.
Ward I feel possesses the intangibles that I feel Williams lacks....we'll see things go for both Ward and Williams as the season progresses.
Plays:
1) Jaguars +3'....line looks like it is headed to +3
JJ had 143 yards vs a horrible defense. The Bears lost the game with horrible play calling aka dumb coaching. Did you not watch JJ at Michigan anyways he will be out of a job at the end of the season dont see him winning much games in the future. BOL
I could be wrong, but thats my opinion**
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JJ had 143 yards vs a horrible defense. The Bears lost the game with horrible play calling aka dumb coaching. Did you not watch JJ at Michigan anyways he will be out of a job at the end of the season dont see him winning much games in the future. BOL
Great stuff as always Indigo. I don't buy Caleb at all and think he's a bust. All the pieces are present for him to succeed with an improved o-line, Offensive minded HC, DJ Moore, Odunze, Burden, Loveland, etc. All the stats of rookies losing first game as a starter on road favored picked Bears to cover, but I went with Minnesota solely because of Caleb, who I don't even think loves football.
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Great stuff as always Indigo. I don't buy Caleb at all and think he's a bust. All the pieces are present for him to succeed with an improved o-line, Offensive minded HC, DJ Moore, Odunze, Burden, Loveland, etc. All the stats of rookies losing first game as a starter on road favored picked Bears to cover, but I went with Minnesota solely because of Caleb, who I don't even think loves football.
@Indigo999 JJ had 143 yards vs a horrible defense. The Bears lost the game with horrible play calling aka dumb coaching. Did you not watch JJ at Michigan anyways he will be out of a job at the end of the season dont see him winning much games in the future. BOL I could be wrong, but thats my opinion**
Divergent perception is what makes a market....good fortune this season....
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Quote Originally Posted by Bet15:
@Indigo999 JJ had 143 yards vs a horrible defense. The Bears lost the game with horrible play calling aka dumb coaching. Did you not watch JJ at Michigan anyways he will be out of a job at the end of the season dont see him winning much games in the future. BOL I could be wrong, but thats my opinion**
Divergent perception is what makes a market....good fortune this season....
Great stuff as always Indigo. I don't buy Caleb at all and think he's a bust. All the pieces are present for him to succeed with an improved o-line, Offensive minded HC, DJ Moore, Odunze, Burden, Loveland, etc. All the stats of rookies losing first game as a starter on road favored picked Bears to cover, but I went with Minnesota solely because of Caleb, who I don't even think loves football.
We'll see what transpires going forward.....think it might get ugly for the Bears this season....
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Quote Originally Posted by mchriste619:
Great stuff as always Indigo. I don't buy Caleb at all and think he's a bust. All the pieces are present for him to succeed with an improved o-line, Offensive minded HC, DJ Moore, Odunze, Burden, Loveland, etc. All the stats of rookies losing first game as a starter on road favored picked Bears to cover, but I went with Minnesota solely because of Caleb, who I don't even think loves football.
We'll see what transpires going forward.....think it might get ugly for the Bears this season....
c) A week 2 home dog off a loss facing a team off a win who will have the stronger next game point spread in comparison to their present opponent's next game line.....10-1-1 ATS (+9.1)......ON Titans, Chiefs
Chiefs in their lookahead line will be a 6.5 point favorite next week, while the Eagles will be four point favorites. Titans are to be 2 point underdogs while Rams will be four point dogs.
Query text....
D and n:line - on:line < 0 and week = 2 and day != Monday and t:wins = 0 and o:wins = 1 and site = home
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c) A week 2 home dog off a loss facing a team off a win who will have the stronger next game point spread in comparison to their present opponent's next game line.....10-1-1 ATS (+9.1)......ON Titans, Chiefs
Chiefs in their lookahead line will be a 6.5 point favorite next week, while the Eagles will be four point favorites. Titans are to be 2 point underdogs while Rams will be four point dogs.
Query text....
D and n:line - on:line < 0 and week = 2 and day != Monday and t:wins = 0 and o:wins = 1 and site = home
d) A week 2 favorite that will be an underdog their next game....74-130-5 ATS (-3.3), 36.3%.....VERSUS Cardinals, Broncos, Dolphins, Rams, Lions, Cowboys, Bengals
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d) A week 2 favorite that will be an underdog their next game....74-130-5 ATS (-3.3), 36.3%.....VERSUS Cardinals, Broncos, Dolphins, Rams, Lions, Cowboys, Bengals
e) Publicly backed underdogs last week went 0-3 ATS, with losses on Miami, Detroit and Chicago.....this week so far, though things may change, those public dogs are the Patriots, Bucs and Falcons.
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e) Publicly backed underdogs last week went 0-3 ATS, with losses on Miami, Detroit and Chicago.....this week so far, though things may change, those public dogs are the Patriots, Bucs and Falcons.
a) An underdog off a loss before November who will be at least a five point favorite their next game......126-74-4 ATS (+4.6).....ON Seahawks, Chiefs b) A home favorite before week 5, off a loss that will be at least a five point underdog their next game....35-76 ATS (-5.7)...VERSUS Lions, Dolphins
Are you sure on B) doesn't Dallas fit and I get 30-46? and nice one with (c) also sent u an email
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@Indigo999
Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999:
a) An underdog off a loss before November who will be at least a five point favorite their next game......126-74-4 ATS (+4.6).....ON Seahawks, Chiefs b) A home favorite before week 5, off a loss that will be at least a five point underdog their next game....35-76 ATS (-5.7)...VERSUS Lions, Dolphins
Are you sure on B) doesn't Dallas fit and I get 30-46? and nice one with (c) also sent u an email
@Indigo999 Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999: a) An underdog off a loss before November who will be at least a five point favorite their next game......126-74-4 ATS (+4.6).....ON Seahawks, Chiefs b) A home favorite before week 5, off a loss that will be at least a five point underdog their next game....35-76 ATS (-5.7)...VERSUS Lions, Dolphins Are you sure on B) doesn't Dallas fit and I get 30-46? and nice one with (c) also sent u an email
Dallas is due to be a 1.5 point dog their next game...
@Indigo999 Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999: a) An underdog off a loss before November who will be at least a five point favorite their next game......126-74-4 ATS (+4.6).....ON Seahawks, Chiefs b) A home favorite before week 5, off a loss that will be at least a five point underdog their next game....35-76 ATS (-5.7)...VERSUS Lions, Dolphins Are you sure on B) doesn't Dallas fit and I get 30-46? and nice one with (c) also sent u an email
Dallas is due to be a 1.5 point dog their next game...
g) A September home favorite of less than 7 points in weeks 2, 3 or 4 that is off an away loss that played in zero or less than three playoff games the previous season.....79-136-7 ATS (-3.1), 111-111 straight up (+0.5).....VERSUS Cowboys, Lions, Dolphins, Texans
Query text....
week < 5 and HF and p:AL and line > -7 and tpS(playoffs) < 3 and month = 9
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g) A September home favorite of less than 7 points in weeks 2, 3 or 4 that is off an away loss that played in zero or less than three playoff games the previous season.....79-136-7 ATS (-3.1), 111-111 straight up (+0.5).....VERSUS Cowboys, Lions, Dolphins, Texans
Query text....
week < 5 and HF and p:AL and line > -7 and tpS(playoffs) < 3 and month = 9
a) An underdog off a loss before November who will be at least a five point favorite their next game......126-74-4 ATS (+4.6).....ON Seahawks, Chiefs b) A home favorite before week 5, off a loss that will be at least a five point underdog their next game....35-76 ATS (-5.7)...VERSUS Lions, Dolphins
Lions are currently listed as +3.5 in week three.
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Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999:
a) An underdog off a loss before November who will be at least a five point favorite their next game......126-74-4 ATS (+4.6).....ON Seahawks, Chiefs b) A home favorite before week 5, off a loss that will be at least a five point underdog their next game....35-76 ATS (-5.7)...VERSUS Lions, Dolphins
Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999: a) An underdog off a loss before November who will be at least a five point favorite their next game......126-74-4 ATS (+4.6).....ON Seahawks, Chiefs b) A home favorite before week 5, off a loss that will be at least a five point underdog their next game....35-76 ATS (-5.7)...VERSUS Lions, Dolphins Lions are currently listed as +3.5 in week three.
On the pregame website, they are +7 at Westgate, +6' at betonline, and +6 at draftkings.......
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Quote Originally Posted by C-70Blues:
Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999: a) An underdog off a loss before November who will be at least a five point favorite their next game......126-74-4 ATS (+4.6).....ON Seahawks, Chiefs b) A home favorite before week 5, off a loss that will be at least a five point underdog their next game....35-76 ATS (-5.7)...VERSUS Lions, Dolphins Lions are currently listed as +3.5 in week three.
On the pregame website, they are +7 at Westgate, +6' at betonline, and +6 at draftkings.......
That's a good find....this moves to 23-9 ATS (+4.8), 19-14 straight up if they lost at home.
I have found that when an indicated play-on team doesn't come through, they often do so the next week, in the case of the Falcons...however as of now they are a public dog, which would keep me off of playing the Falcons.
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Quote Originally Posted by hoody:
#18 should be 42-18 , on NYJ-NO-ATL
That's a good find....this moves to 23-9 ATS (+4.8), 19-14 straight up if they lost at home.
I have found that when an indicated play-on team doesn't come through, they often do so the next week, in the case of the Falcons...however as of now they are a public dog, which would keep me off of playing the Falcons.
h) An away divisional dog off a home divisional dog loss by less than 5 points.....32-15-2 (+3.7), 17-31 o/u (+0.2).......if their present opponent is off an away dog loss.....12-1-1 (+6.4), 7-7 straight up (+0.4), 5-9 o/u (-3.5)......ON Bears (and UNDER)
p:margin>-5 and p:HDL and AD and DIV and p:DIV and op:ADL
i) A home divisional favorite of less than 7 points before November off an away dog divisional loss of less than 5 points....8-14-2 ATS (-2.9), 15-9 straight up (+0.8), 14-10 o/u (+6.5)......VERSUS Cowboys (and OVER)
p:margin>-5 and HF and p:DIV and DIV and p:ADL and line>-7 and month<11
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h) An away divisional dog off a home divisional dog loss by less than 5 points.....32-15-2 (+3.7), 17-31 o/u (+0.2).......if their present opponent is off an away dog loss.....12-1-1 (+6.4), 7-7 straight up (+0.4), 5-9 o/u (-3.5)......ON Bears (and UNDER)
p:margin>-5 and p:HDL and AD and DIV and p:DIV and op:ADL
i) A home divisional favorite of less than 7 points before November off an away dog divisional loss of less than 5 points....8-14-2 ATS (-2.9), 15-9 straight up (+0.8), 14-10 o/u (+6.5)......VERSUS Cowboys (and OVER)
p:margin>-5 and HF and p:DIV and DIV and p:ADL and line>-7 and month<11
j) Since 2014, an away dog of less 7 points before week 5 off a loss, whose point spread is less than the average margin of the two teams....61-26 ATS (+2.9)....ON Falcons, Panthers, Seahawks, Giants....this has been 25-9 ATS in week 2 since 2013.
Explaining this, as an example, the Falcons average margin is -3, and the Vikings is +3....the predicted line using just averages (in this case there is no average because there's only been one game played),...the line would be Falcons +6 (three minus negative three) and then two and half points are added for home field.....rather than a line of Falcons plus 8.5 points, the betting line is +3.5
AD and week<5 and line < oA(margin) +2.5 - tA(margin) and season > 2013
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j) Since 2014, an away dog of less 7 points before week 5 off a loss, whose point spread is less than the average margin of the two teams....61-26 ATS (+2.9)....ON Falcons, Panthers, Seahawks, Giants....this has been 25-9 ATS in week 2 since 2013.
Explaining this, as an example, the Falcons average margin is -3, and the Vikings is +3....the predicted line using just averages (in this case there is no average because there's only been one game played),...the line would be Falcons +6 (three minus negative three) and then two and half points are added for home field.....rather than a line of Falcons plus 8.5 points, the betting line is +3.5
AD and week<5 and line < oA(margin) +2.5 - tA(margin) and season > 2013
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