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I've been betting on sports for more than 30 years and I can tell you there is an absolute ZERO percent chance that what you have posted is true. It is 100% false information.
There is however, a microscopic edge to betting on dogs of +40 or more, but it is not worthwhile. There is no pointspread range in either college or pro football that has any SIGNIFICANT advantage LONG TERM. These type of methods have been looked at countless times over the decades and discarded by everyone who has been unfortunate enough to use them. Too bad handicapping isn't as easy as someone has led you to believe. But if you must, go ahead and find out for yourself. Good luck to you.
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Dutch1976 | 6 |
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Isn't it funny how all these guys with great systems need our money rather than just bet the games themselves.
But, they know that there's always lots of gullible suckers out there who want to believe that the sports fairy will sell them a system sure to make a fortune. It's really just unbelievable isn't it? Do your own research, find your own systems/methods, and never even consider these idiot chase systems that countless morons on this site promote. If chase systems worked all you would have to do is go Las Vegas and bet two of the three columns on a roulette wheel, where mathematics insures a win percentage of about 63% on every spin. But, lo and behold chase systems DO NOT work or there would be no casinos still in business. Don't get taken by any of these conmen selling systems or promoting idiot chases.
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grecycle99 | 4 |
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cd329, You're right about on with your estimate of 136 points being the average total score this year in college basketball.
The MEDIAN score for a Division 1 teams this year, as of today, is exactly 67.5 points per game. Of the 345 Division 1 teams, Loyola-MD is ranked #172 in offensive points per game at 67.6 points, and San Jose is ranked #173 at 67.4 points per game. So, the average points scored per game for Division 1 teams this year is 67.5, for an average total score per game of 135 points. Looking at league averages is always a good idea in all sports.
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cd329 | 4 |
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What is the system? This is NOT a forum to just post picks.
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ELROYSPORTS | 5 |
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We need more people like Hectar, who at least tries to clean up this forum and rid it of dishonest people like you.
Why do you insist on posting dozens of useless threads in a forum that is NOT the proper place for your nonsense. You have NEVER once discussed any system or strategy in ANY of the countless threads that you have started. You post NOTHING but PICKS. This type of thread DOES NOT belong here. Post this crap in the MLB forum where it belongs. But we all know why you refuse to do that. You crave attention and you would be lost in a forum with hundreds of other people just posting worthless picks. Many years ago you were a decent guy. Now you're a scam artist who tells one whopper after another in thread after thread. What happened to you over the years? I guess that's what years of losing does to a person. Very sad.
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TheThinker | 16 |
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I agree with Hectar 100%. I believe that most people who read this forum have had enough of all the conmen, liars, and chase system idiots on this site. The quality of the postings and the neck level BULL SH*T continually appearing on this site is absolutely appalling.
I have never in the past commented on any of The Thinkers dozens and dozens of losing threads because he is among the MOST dishonest of ANY poster on ANY forum at ANY site. The ONLY thing he can possibly be given any credit for is his persistence. But, even there, he is doing it for himself, not for anyone else. The WORST thing about his countless threads on Systems & Strategies is that not ONE SINGLE ONE OF THEM even belong on THIS forum. There is NEVER a system or strategy discussed or explained, as required by the rules of this website. Lucky for him the Moderator here at Covers, just sits there like the Maytag repairman, NEVER doing his job of policing this forum. Many of you may not know that The Thinker (one of his many names) has posted on various forums for about 10-12 years. I actually enjoyed his posts in the early years on another major sports betting forum. He was a much more honest guy back then, and he was trying to find systems that would be profitable. He actually shared information and ideas. For example, one longtime quest involved trying to determine whether or not it would be profitable to wager on any underdog, in any sport, when the underdog had the BETTER straight-up won/lost percentage. That was one time when I actually believe he trying to help forum readers. Unfortunately, he gave people bad advice, even back then, and told people that it WAS longterm profitable to bet ON underdogs with the better winning percentage in a match-up. The fact is, by the way, that it is NOT a profitable system. Any thorough study of any sport will reveal it is not a winning system. I know, because I've researched it. Probably the most despicable thing The Thinker has done was when, about a year or two ago, on another site, he blatantly lied to everyone about this guy he called the Falcon - a mysterious and savvy gambler who come into The Thinker's place of business and give him winning picks day after day. Of course, the posted picks from the mysterious Falcon never did win, and The Thinker continued to deny that HE was the Falcon (as if anyone really cared). But it certainly said a lot about his credibility and character. He's had trouble keeping his stories and "handle" straight on the various forums. He would forget which story was supposed to go with which "handle". The end result of all the 'handles" and threads, whether he has used, The Thinker, Falcon, or SSI, were all the same, EVERY SINGLE ONE of them would lose. It must be a staggering amount of money he has cost unsuspecting followers who have a natural tendency to believe that people are honest. I don't understand why people find it so difficult to just be honest and say, "Hey I'm trying a new system using these clearly explained rules. The rules and system probably won't work since 99.9% of systems and theories don't work, but let's see what happens". Instead, all we get over and over, thread after useless thread, are nothing but picks from a super secret mysterious supposedly personally programmed computer. What a bunch of absolute crap. And for The Thinker or anyone else who says, "but wait, The Thinker is actually winning this year so far" (79-91 with virtually all underdogs, 46.5%). Here's is the REAL answer to that. I chart every single favorite and underdog every single day. I do not count a game a dog winner or favorite winner if the line is -105 thru -109 (those are pick'em games). These are the results through last night, May 9th. Favorites have won 232 games this year. Underdogs have won 213 games. So, the favorite/underdog record is currently 232-213. Favorites are only winning 52.1% of the time. Underdogs are absolutely cleaning up so far this season. Historically, favorites win about 57.5% of the time longterm. So, The Thinker has been able to win 46.5% of the time. Yet, all you had to do was bet EVERY SINGLE UNDERDOG this year and you would be winning 47.9% of the time. How good does The Thinker's rare winning record look now? What should really be happening on all of these sports betting forums is a massive and combined player demand of sports books to DRASTICALLY REDUCE the juice that we are charged. The insatiable greed of sports books will eventually kill off sports betting, as has largely happened to horse racing. EVENTUALLY, everyone will realize that we're all just jerking ourselves off trying to beat a game that is mathematically as negative as sports betting is. The bookies are robbing us blind. This is what drive people to pursue the ultimate nonsense - chase systems. For those people, there is no hope at all. Except for a very select few systems, we don't stand a snow ball chance in hell of having any reasonable chance whatsoever to beat a game where we are required to LITERALLY predict the future and are charged juice to do it. If WE have to predict the future, WE should be the ones getting the juice, not the sportsbooks. Thinker, consider getting a shot or two of truth serum, and then take your countless threads to the APPROPRIATE forum.
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TheThinker | 296 |
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ICE, Thanks for your help. I was able to log-in on 5dimes.mobi.
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koman22 | 22 |
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Someone on another sports betting forum said that 5Dimes.com is under some kind of attack by hackers. Other people claim it is just routine maintenance, but that usually doesn't take all day. Who knows?
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koman22 | 22 |
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Anyone have the latest update on whether not 5Dimes will be back up and working in time for the first games today? I cannot get through. I've tried every half hour all day long.
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koman22 | 22 |
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rbies, I don't ever like to be mean or rude to anyone, and you're probably a nice person, so let's just call this tough love. You appear to be like a 16 year old kid who is convinced he knows a lot more than his 52 year father. As far as this forum goes, you need to be taken out to the woodshed and horse-whipped for even the MENTION of such idiotic money management systems as LaBourchere, and for leading other novice sports bettors down the road to financial ruin with elementary nonsensical systems like the one you have promoted here.
I'm not going to restate what I've already said about your system, other than not one single part of it, taken individually or as a whole is any good. The fact is, as I tried to get across, you would be MUCH better off if you used the EXACT OPPOSITE of your rules. Any mathematician well tell you that a small sample of games such as 7 or 10 means ABSOLUTELY nothing. To base a system on that is ludicrous. Further, it is a mathematical fact that NO money management system such as labouchere, martingale, fibonacci, or any other system will turn a negative game positive. I don't understand why you can't get it through your head that ALL of this has been tried countless times before. Apparently, every generation thinks they're a lot smarter than the last, and every generation needs to learn these simple lessons for themselves. Rbies, I'm not really directing this at you, I'm afraid that YOU are beyond hope. YOU are going to learn for yourself. I AM hoping to save one or two people some money, by at least making them stop and think BEFORE they follow the NONSENSE that you are posting. I realize I can't stop an addict from smoking crack, and I can't stop a degenerate gambler from losing all his money, but I hope I can stop a one or two people from following your TERRIBLE advice. Other than ignoring pitching, you are not doing one single thing right, and you obviously don't have the slightest clue as to how difficult it is to beat sports betting. I don't respond to or post on very many threads on this forum or any other, mainly because the level of intelligence is at a point where the people are beyond hope. ANYONE who is operating at a level that they would even consider using a ridiculous money management system such as Labouchere or Martingale, is going to have to learn the costly lessons for themselves. Your statement, "Did you know that you by using the labby system (Labouchere), you can break-even winning half of your bets even with -125 odds?", has to be one of the single dumbest statements I've ever read on the internet. You may as well have said, do you know you can show a profit if you win just one bet in ten by using the Martingale system. Wow, what a great system that would be, just win 10% of the time and still make money. Just keep doubling up. Boy, gambling is easy! I wonder how it's possible that Las Vegas sports books and casinos are still in business with these fool proof systems like Labouchere, Martingale,and Fibonacci. And I wonder why the casinos would COMP your entire trip to Las Vegas if you would promise to bet big enough and use this crap? Lucky for sportsbook operators and casino owners that Labouchere followers don't use these ace methods. Steve Wynn must be shaking in his shoes that Labouchere system players will show up at his casino. How have Caesar's Palace, the MGM, and 5 Dimes stayed in business all these years. I just can't imagine. I'll try not to waste my time responding to posts promoting nonsense like this. I just hope people are not tempted to take advice from someone who is brand new to a field that is ALMOST impossible to be successful at. Don't expect a five year old kid playing with leggos to be an advisor on building the new World Trade Center. Don't expect to learn Chinese from someone who had dinner at Panda Express, and don't expect to learn handicapping from someone who promotes a system based on a few games worth of current form and money management systems that were PROVEN WORTHLESS 50 years ago. All I can say as a final note is, Forgive him Father, for he knows not what he does.
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rbies | 34 |
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oilcountry99, I don't want to hijack rbies thread, I just wanted to warn bettors with less experience that the type of system listed above will ultimately fail. The one thing I've learned in the many years I've been handicapping sports is that CONVENTIONAL handicapping DOES NOT WORK.
There are very very few systems, angles, and methods that DO work. If I were to list a few of the systems that really do work, all that would serve to do is kill them off. All I can really do here is to tell you that it is the OPPOSITE of conventional handicapping that seems to works best. For example, I'll give you one system that works almost every year: At the ALL-Star break make a list of the pitchers with the BEST won/lost records in baseball. Bet AGAINST them in every single game they start in the second half. These pitchers will be getting tired, the weather is hot, hitters have seen them 2 times at least, the price on them is sky high since the public believes you need the best pitcher to win the game. If the odds were EVEN, I'd want the best pitcher too, but I don't give a damn who's pitching when the price is ridiculous. The public uses pitching, and the public gets buried. Can the game really beaten? I think the sad fact of the matter is it's ALMOST impossible to beat, at least to any worthwhile degree. Small sample of winners mean absolutely nothing. Sure there's going to be times when you see people here or elsewhere win for awhile, but eventually, when enough games are played the systems will all fail. Sports betting makes the bettor an offer that is almost to beat. The true fact is that we have to LITERALLY predict the future, and on top of that, WE have to pay juice for the privilege. If WE have to predict the future, WE should be the ones getting the juice. Sports betting is on par with a poor return casino game like roulette, right about 4% negative longterm. The amount of juice we have to pay is outrageous. In reality, instead of laying 110 to make 100, it should be no more than 101/100. We are faced with a near impossible task. The only reason the juice is less for baseball wagering is that the books know EVERYONE would be broke by April 30th. Burt Osborn, longtime sportsbook director in Las Vegas, once told me that the public is SO BAD at handicapping, that in reality, he could post the games and charge NO JUICE whatsoever and the public would still get buried. And a longtime poster on another forum made statement a few year ago that has the ring of truth to it, "eventually EVERYONE come to the conclusion that all of this is just for fun". I once asked John Kelly, the longtime host of a sports betting radio program broadcast from the late great Stardust, to name for me just ONE SINGLE successful sports bettor that still beats the game. All he could come up with was Billy Walters. Does Billy Walters really beat the game? He made his fortune in real estate, not sports betting. Does he really win now or just arbitrage the games? I'm not sure. My own opinion is that everyone should bet VERY small, because virtually NO ONE wins in the long run. After chasing this for most of my life, I have pretty much switched to the stock market. Not that stocks are easy, but at least it's a fact that for the past 100 years it's close to a 10% positive game. ALL the successful sports bettors of the past had their success at football, at a time during the 70's and 80's when all a smart guy had to do was bet underdogs, especially in the NFL. All you had to do was throw darts and you couldn't help but win. Eventually the public wised up, and betting underdogs doesn't work so well these days. Bet small and treat this as a hobby. And don't listen to any of these people on here touting CHASE SYSTEMS. They must dealing with an I.Q. about one point above a carrot. Good luck.
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rbies | 34 |
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rbies, I'll finally give you some credit on two things. 1. You finally posted the rules of this system here at Covers, rather just using this site to pimp yours. 2. Although I can tell you that this system WILL NOT show a profit after any reasonable length of a test (say 200 games), at least you have not fallen into the public nonsense that you need PITCHING to handicap baseball. There is not a dimes worth of difference between 90% of all major league pitchers, they are ALL the best pitchers in the world.
The rules of your system, and I highly doubt it is your system, have tried, used, and beaten like a dead horse for 30 years. Can't you understand that such elementary rules will not show a longterm profit. Do you really think that there have not been brilliant people like Jim Barnes, Mike Lee, and Gary Austin who haven't tried these things over the course of a lifetime. These were some of the pioneers in sports betting, but NONE of their theories ever held up over time, especially beginning in the mid-80's when all these systems were widely written about. Baseball is far and away the toughest sport to beat because the bettor is left with the terrible choice of betting the underdog and hopefully getting some value, but in reality getting the probable loser. Or, betting the favorite who will obviously probably win, but having to lay an outrageous price that is too high to cover the win percentage. Don't believe me that baseball is the toughest sport to beat? Read Lem Banker's book. He's easily one of the best sports handicappers ever. I guarantee that if you examine each and every one of the rules to the system you will find that not one single one of them means a damn thing. This nonsense about not betting on a team that has played poorly in it's last 10 games, or not betting against a team on a 3 game win streak or having won 7 out of 10 is absolute total crap. Don't you think we'd all be rich if it were that simple? Don't you think these type of rules have been looked at, researched, discarded years ago? And, it makes no difference if you take the rules separately or put them all together, they are 100% totally useless. But if you want to lose money, go ahead and learn for yourself . You would actually be much better off proceeding in the exact OPPOSITE direction of the rules you have listed. You would be much better off betting on good teams that have LOST 8 of the last 10 games. You would be much better off betting good teams that have LOST 5 out of the last 7 games at home. I have no complaint with you posting systems, in fact I enjoy reading about systems. But I don't enjoy people who do no tell the truth and try and pass themselves off as experts when they are clearly someone who is just starting out in the sports betting field. Had you actually been involved in sports betting very long, you would know that systems like this are total nonsense, and are, in fact, the exact opposite of a winning method.
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rbies | 34 |
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I do not believe the rules for this particular useless system are posted at this conman's website. He does have rules on his site for several other worthless systems (ALL OF WHICH ARE LONGTIME LOSERS). But, even if the rules were posted on his site, they are NOT posted on Covers. The Systems & Strategies section is not the proper place to pimp his worthless crap.
You may as well ask someone at a bus stop for profitable betting systems, as rely on a guy just starting out in handicapping. This is really just unbelievable the balls some people have in giving advice to others. Stay tuned for my advice on brain surgery. I drove by a hospital last week, so I'm probably qualified to give medical advice.
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rbies | 34 |
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Covers Moderators, For once maybe you'll do your job and remove threads like this that are only posting picks. This is a "Systems & Strategies" section where any picks are supposed to be fully explained with the rules and theory behind them.
This guy is a novice handicapper and total conman who has copied a few WORTHLESS systems from other people's websites. Don't be taken in by this guy. Totally worthless garbage that doesn't belong in this section. Don't believe me? Take a look at his first few posts on this site about a year ago. Then take a look at HIS site where he passes himself off as a longtime winning sports bettor. This is what I meant in a post on another thread when I said NEVER give one penny to the filthy scumbags in the sports service business passing themselves off as winning handicappers. Funny how their systems are so good, but instead of just quietly betting the games themselves, they want other people's money. There's an old saying in sports betting circles, "Those that tell, don't know, and those that know, don't tell" Sharing systems is great, but all the conmen, liars, and chase system idiots on here is just nauseating.
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rbies | 34 |
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There is no way to be 100% sure, but it is my opinion that you are dead wrong about jv040. I know she does seem to frequently pimp for some sports service, and she should not do that. No one should ever give one single penny to ANY of the con men in that filthy business. There are NO good sports services - ZERO.
But, jv040 has been a longtime poster and I would rate her as one of the best and most helpful posters I have ever seen on any sports betting forum. If you read ALL of her posts you will notice that all she does is try to be helpful to people and share systems, which is EXACTLY what this section of Covers is supposed to be for. The posters that need to ignored and removed from this site are the ones who only post useless picks without explaining the reasoning behind the play. To simply say that my computer picked these games, as one idiot on here does every single day, with dozens and dozens of losing threads year after year, is totally useless and a waste of everyone's time. Of all the countess idiots on here I find it very strange that you would have a beef with jv040's postings. But I wish you well because you are probably trying to improve the quality of postings on here. The Cover's moderators do not seem to do a good job of policing this section. They don't seem to give a damn that people simply post worthless picks, computer or otherwise, in this section. Maybe we can get them to THINK about it, if you know what I mean. But jv040 gets a big thumbs up from me.
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bettor2win | 4 |
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For those who are following or monitoring this system, I think we all missed a play today. But, luckily we probably missed playing a loser, as the White Sox are losing to the Yankees right now by a score of 3-1 in the 7th.
The White Sox qualified as a play today since they won 3-2 last night as an underdog, and they are an underdog tonight. I also just noticed that the White Sox were also a play (and a winner) on Tuesday night, as they beat the Yankees 2-0 as an underdog on Monday. The Monday game qualified them as a play on Tuesday when they won 3-2. This might very well be a profitable system, and probably much better than any chase system or mystical computer program picks that a certain poster might hopelessly use.
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jv040 | 9 |
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jv040, Let's see if we both agree that on Thursday (an early game) Arizona +114 is a play on BOTH systems, they allowed 6 HITS or less, are departing Cincinnati after the game, and they won as an underdog while scoring 3 RUNS or less. Strictly system plays, not a sure winner, as the Reds have now lost 5 out of the last 6 at HOME against champions like Pittsburgh and Arizona. We're asking Cincinnati to lose again.
Baseball is very tough to beat. Don't bet big unless you're rich or psychic.
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jv040 | 37 |
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jv040, Now that we're in agreement that 6 HITS is the qualifier for the "departing underdog" system, we should also be clear that on the other system that you are tracking, "low scoring underdog winners", 3 RUNS is the qualifier.
I actually think the "low scoring underdog winner" is the better system of the two. It seems more logical to me. I'm not crazy about the "departing" aspect of the first system. I don't see how it makes a whole lot of difference the fact that it's the final game of a series. But, Allen Moody showed the system has performed well in the past, so let's see what happens. Thanks for all the work and research that you have done for a long time. I have read your posts since you started. This site would really be great if more people were like you, and not people just posting picks that are not fully and completely explained. One last note, I hope, for your sake, you are no longer pursuing any type of "chase" systems. There are no LONGTERM profits to be made going that route.
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jv040 | 37 |
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jv040, Like I said in earlier post, you do very good work! It's always been enjoyable reading your posts.
It's also nice to see that you came up with the same 6-5 record that Allen Moody has stated for the system's record this year. That should serve as further evidence that Moody did, in fact, mean 6 HITS. I do not believe you should even bother charting the system using 6 RUNS. If a team, in this case a winning underdog, gives up 6 RUNS, they may have won, but they did NOT play a good game. Moody wants to go against a favorite that did not swing the bat very well last night. In your post above, as you explain the record, I think you may be saying runs when you mean to say hits, or vice versa. It does get a little confusing, But wouldn't you agree that's it's best to use a system EXACTLY as the author has written it? No system wins all the time, especially on a small sample of games. I believe the Giants were a system loser this afternoon, bringing the system to 6-6 this season. The best systems will have very few plays. None of this is easy.
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jv040 | 37 |
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jv040, You mentioned that you found it hard to believe that the "departing dog" system could be 6-5 this season using the 6 HIT qualifier. I think it's entirely possible. Underdogs are absolutely cleaning up this month. I keep a personal count everyday. Any game priced -105 to -109, I count as a pick'em,and not tallied in the favorite/underdog count. So far this season, favorites-underdogs are 105-107. Underdogs have actually won more games than favorites. Those stats are thru last night's games (4/19/11).
So, as a side note, anyone claiming any great underdog handicapping, say maybe 43-44 on dog picks using some mystical computer program, is total non-sense. All you had to do was play any underdog and you would have won right about 50%. Underdogs have been beating the crap out of favorites this month.
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jv040 | 37 |
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