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Posted: 8/10/2012 7:23:49 PM
It brings players to the program! would you want to play for $$ or not for $$???
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Posted: 8/10/2012 7:24:15 PM
Sorry the best players to the program
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Posted: 8/10/2012 7:26:40 PM

The thread topic reads "DOES BAMA CHEAT?" AND your saying YES , but who cares!???

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Posted: 8/10/2012 7:26:58 PM

And? They still gotta perform.....

Its the real world. Some teams have figured that out. Some teams win 3 games a year......

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Posted: 8/10/2012 7:42:44 PM
What the (ESPN) article didn't mention, however, was the reason April was apparently upset, which may have tipped the scales in Alabama's favor. According to April, Victoria had allegedly been offered a job to work in head coach Nick Saban's office."

"In all fairness to Saban and Alabama, I have been unable to independently confirm April's story on this point (Citing NCAA rules, Doug Walker, Associate Athletics Director, Communications, at the University of Alabama, stated in an email to MomsTeam that the school "would not comment on anything relating to the recruitment of a prospective student-athlete." Asked if Landon's girlfriend had been offered a job, he stated, "I have no information regarding that."). All I know is what April told me.

But suffice it to say, April appears to have reasons for feeling the way she does about her son's decision, and they have less to do with her being an LSU fan and a mom who doesn't want to let go, and more to do with her understanding what was happening behind the scenes, outside camera range, that may have played a role in that decision that didn't square with the way she raised her children."

Now does this video make more sense?

Mom was upset because she believed Alabama wasn't recruiting fairly. Sitting directly behind Collins on the stage that day was Nick Saban's secret weapon, girlfriend Victoria Lowery.

Surely, hiring a recruit's girlfriend would be an NCAA violation, right?

Not according to AL.com which determined that NCAA prohibitions on hiring "an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete" only applies to basketball.

Seriously.

"The NCAA passed a new bylaw in 2010 pertaining specifically to men's basketball that prohibits a university from employing an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete. This bylaw, however, does not apply to college football recruits. According to NCAA bylaw 13.8.3.2:

"In men's basketball, during a two-year period before a prospective student-athlete's anticipated enrollment and a two-year period after the student-athlete's actual enrollment, an institution shall not employ an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete in any athletics department non-coaching staff position."

Unsavory, yes.

Impermissible under NCAA rules?

Not yet.

Welcome to Alabama, where coaches play the NCAA rule book like a fiddle. So now the NCAA has another loophole to close. (Why, one wonders, was this rule ever made specific to only basketball? Wasn't it just a matter of time before coaches exploited it to their advantage in football? If you ask this question you're too smart to work at the NCAA.)

Between Cam Newton and now Landon Collins, the official state emblem of Alabama should be the loophole.

In the meantime, here is Nick Saban's secret weapon.

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Posted: 8/10/2012 7:43:30 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

How is cars, money and women cheating? Does that help them block on punt returns?

of course this is cheating if it happens. Doesn't help the player on the field but obviously helps a school attract a player there.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 7:44:10 PM
and the short answer to the original question is HELL YES.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 7:54:09 PM
Its only "cheating" because the currupt/idiotic NCAA says so.....Penn St and Joe Pa never "cheated" .....How'd that turn out?
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Posted: 8/10/2012 8:05:53 PM

I agree that most the rules are ridiculous and have nothing to do with football! The kids beat the garbage out of themselves are allowed to abuse painkillers! not smoke a blunt, not commit any felonies, maintain a good g.p.a. and do all those "stupid" things "college students" do! So the NCAA should wise up and call itself what it is TRAIN?  ----a free entry level program for the NFL and a money making machine! The rules exist to keep the playing field "fair" and maintain the integrity of the game...If they didnt exist id imagine top prospects could get as much as 1 million $$$ to sign with a major university!!!!

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Posted: 8/10/2012 8:06:59 PM
5 Star recruits ar usually twice as good as 3 and 4 star prospects!!
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Posted: 8/11/2012 12:08:28 AM
Besides all the BS how did you get that youtube video to work in a post...
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Posted: 8/11/2012 12:18:07 AM
I love it. I am a realist. Do I think Bama has bent the rules at times...yes! However, if you're going to talk about cheating...why leave the other 60-75% + programs out that bend the rules too!

When you are successful and have a great coach it is human nature to single out one program. People hate you when you're on top. But it doesn't matter if the other schools around the country have bent some rules b/c they haven't manufactured success out of it. When a coach gets to a certain point of proven success in his career, athletes want to play for him because real athletes want a chance to play for a NC and a chance to make it to the next level. Seems like a no brainer to me!
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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:07:07 AM

OK bamapiks

im pretty sure

Oregon is paying players, USC is still doing what theydid with Reggie Bush

Here is some USC cheating fodder

lots of schools cheat, because the NCAA is not capable of policing the school in its membership, and the rewards of cheating far outweigh the possible punishments if these schools ever get caught. plus, if the school is good, it makes money for the NCAA. would you take action against something that makes you alot of money? i think not. please do not mistake my answer for saying that i think that USC is in particular a school that cheats. this is just an answer in general, and not necessarily against USC.

Have you not heard the saying, " You can do pretty much do anything you want in this country as long as you don't get caught" ?..

The NCAA football program is no different. It's been going on for years.

I am by no means defending USC, but i agree about them never getting into trouble.

What aspect of USC football are you referring to? If it is the play...nah. However the recruiting is a joke. There needs to be some type of crackdown on recruiting practices with harsh enough penalties that it won't be shrugged of.

They were caught. I don't know why the NCAA hasn't penalized them back to the Stone-Age yet. Maybe because LA doesn't have pro-ball so it's all about USC, and they have the media and Hollywood backing. They make a ton of money for the NCAA, so maybe they are being protected by the big money boys. I know it pisses me off! Especially the LA fair-weather fans that didn't give a rat's a*ss about USC a few years ago, and now they are rabid!

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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:08:26 AM

More on USC...IM sure other schools cheat, just not as good, as BAMA and USC

This, of course, occurred throughout his time on campus at USC. Yahoo!’s coverage was excellent (here’s an article as a primer for what was going on), but it did nothing to further the cause of integrity inside of the NCAA amateur ranks. The NCAA to date has done nothing and likely will do nothing, ever, when it comes to this situation.

Let’s be clear. At this point, there’s printed proof that Bush was taking money from people while he was on campus. He also never attempted to make good on his promises to the people paying him that he’d use them as agents (which means nothing other than the fact that he's as worthless a human as he is a #2 overall draft pick - he can't even cheat honestly). This is why these pseudo-agents went public and provided documentation and information about Bush taking payments. Meanwhile, Bush went on to win the Heisman, an award for amateurs, and competed for two national titles, winning one. Pete Carroll played stupid, as did the USC program, and the NCAA is too weak and willfully toothless to do anything. USC appears simply too important as a program to be honestly punished.

In addition to the Bush payoffs (and similar documents and reports about basketball star OJ Mayo's cheating), USC’s seemingly been corrupt since Carroll’s arrival in the way they handle street agents. One of the most poorly understood aspects of the recruiting game is how some athletes are delivered to campuses through handlers.

We’ve discussed it at length on this site, basically leading the coverage among the CFB sites. You can read about it here (the initial rip on it by me); here (a follow-up rip on it by TaylorTRoom) ; and here (more expounding on the nonsense by Scipio Tex).

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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:10:47 AM

Oregon

Oregon fans now find themselves directly in the middle of what they didn't want. A potential NCAA investigation.

Here are the facts, straight and simple:

-Oregon has paid for scouting services to multiple outlets in recent years. Virtually every program in America pays for service of the same kind in one way or another. The amounts can vary.

-Will Lyles of complete scouting services was the biggest benefactor. Oregon has admitted to payment which is apparently in the sum of $25,000. This payment is completely within legal NCAA guidelines.

-Lyles had relationships and involvement with Oregon players Lache Seastrunk and LaMichael James, among others that went to play at other colleges.

-Oregon has not broken any laws unless there is proof without a doubt that James and Seastrunk were coerced strongly by Lyles to attend Oregon. There is nothing else the NCAA can investigate unless other accusations surface that we haven't heard about.

-Everything else you read, any interviews, or statements from any media source (including myself) are not facts and are opinionated claims.

Here are a few observations of mine that should not be viewed as the straight facts in the case:

Oregon may have paid more for a service than usual. However this is within NCAA guidelines. Even if an NCAA investigation happens, it's doubtful they would get Seastrunk or James to say they were forced to come to Oregon. Whether they were or not. Seastrunk's mother is going to be very anti-Oregon in anything she says as she did not want him at Oregon. I recall personally asking Seastrunk about Lyles during his recruitment, and he was vehement he was simply a personal trainer, not a mentor and not a handler.

The verdict:

Oregon is basically innocent unless there is proof that recruits were forced to come to Oregon by Lyles.

But the damage is done, whoever blew the whistle has already won with the media making it's attacks on Oregon and making the program appear dirty. Even IF they have done nothing wrong.

Here is another topic I posted late last night with premium details not seen anywhere else regarding Seastrunk, Gary Howard of NorCal Scouting, and Elite Scouting Services (Lyles former employer).

http://oregon.247sports.com/Board/45/Some-notes-on-the-situation-1299335

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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:15:45 AM
Texas is too dumb to cheat? and they have 5 star and the #1 rated recruits without doing anything!
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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:16:23 AM

Ohio state is serving time

Miami is on its way to lockup

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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:17:42 AM
The other programs that i couldnt find anything on ...are TOP programs OU, NEBRASKA, FLORIDA STATE, WISCONSIN
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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:18:33 AM

FOR THE RECORD BAMAPIKS

I NEVER SAID BAMA CHEATED!!

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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:20:21 AM

THESE SCHOOLS IN THIS THREAD ARE EITHER ACCUSED  ---BAMA AND OREGON (No given proof)

OR GUILTY- USC, OHIO STATE, MIAMI

Top programs are completely unaffected by 2 year bowl bans and loss of scholarships...as USC will prove by winning it all this year!!!!

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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:22:00 AM

Not everybody cheats only half of everybody

The review finds that 53 of the 120 universities in the NCAA's top competitive level, the Bowl Subdivision, were found by the Division I Committee on Infractions to have committed major rules violations from 2001 to 2010. That number appears to have held largely constant from the previous two decades, but the 2000s show that the number of colleges that committed serious violations of the association's academic rules nearly doubled, to 15 from eight in the 1990s.

  • SCHOOLS: List of programs penalized in last decade

Exactly what these results say about the state of NCAA rule-breaking and enforcement is to some extent in the eye of the beholder. To many critics of big-time college sports, the fact that so many major programs committed what the association deems major violations of its rules is likely to undermine the argument — historically heard from some sports officials — that rule-breaking is relegated to "a few bad apples."

To others, though, the large number of colleges ensnared in the NCAA's infractions process is evidence that the association has an impossibly complex (and, some would argue, arcane) set of rules that virtually no program can follow to a tee. Some argue that college and university sports officials — with bigger compliance staffs and more cooperation with NCAA investigators — are doing a much better job ferreting out (and self-reporting) wrongdoing in their own programs.

Still others point out that, especially compared with some of the high-profile pay-for-play and other scandals of the 1980s and 1990s, many of the cases in the last decade involve relatively minor violations, such as excessive phone calls to recruits.

Yet, even some experts who take a more upbeat view of the infractions statistics admit to concern about the increase in academically related violations, which they attribute, at least in part, to changes in NCAA eligibility rules that lowered the minimum academic requirements for freshmen and imposed penalties on teams and colleges whose athletes do not make consistent progress toward a degree.

"We're admitting more people who really don't belong there and spending millions on academic support to keep them there," said Gene A. Marsh, a retired University of Alabama law professor who headed the Division I Committee on Infractions from 2004 to 2006. And while most sports officials remain "focused on educational progress for students for their own sake," the potential penalties for colleges whose athletes don't succeed academically "means you're going to get more people getting cute, more professors who lose their will and their ethics."

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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:27:04 AM

Do you like that everybody cheats bamapiks, or would you prefer they play by the rules?? I agree they should

1)GIVE PLAYERS THE COST OF LIVING SCHOLARSHIPS (RENT, FOOD, ENTERTAINMENT)- IF THEY HAVENT ALREADY

2) ONLY TEST FOR PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS

3) Make recruiting a player less like rocket science and more like 1st grade reading!

4) Have non partial BCS voters

5) make the rulebook as a whole more easy to understand

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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:29:15 AM

Not 60 -75% bamapiks

53/120 = 44%!!!! duh

 

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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:32:48 AM

And like i said earlier:

These kids wont talk (fear of rining their name) ABOUT SOMEONE HANDING AN ENVELOPE FULL OF CASH, AND THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE IT UNLESS THE KID OR THE BOOSTER SELF REPORTS!!!

so the cars, and diamond rings you see on these kids who are VERY poor; now all the sudden have the means to diamond rings and cars??

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