US Embassy's Under Seige

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Posted: 9/13/2012 11:33:21 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lordspoint:

third

it all depends on how the media spins it.

maybe Obama actually authorized the raid on our embassy so he could get a bounce in the polls.

I dont believe that but how long until that is the conspiracy.

 




Did you hear that on Faux news ?

or is it what people like you are thinking ?


what bounce did Obama need when he is leading Romney in the polls ?


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Posted: 9/13/2012 11:38:17 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

We are being attacked because a Jewish imbecile film maker enjoys poking a hornets nest

No we're not. It is because Obama is ineffective & weak.

Also note:

But two Libyan officials, including the commander of a security force which escorted the U.S. rescuers, said a later assault on a supposedly safe refuge for the diplomats appeared professionally executed.

This wasn't some mob and it was not some reaction to a movie.





who are you now ? political expert

Did you hear that on Faux News ?

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Posted: 9/14/2012 3:57:59 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain:



http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2012/09/yemen_protesters_storm_us_emba.html


obviously liberal media... not possible ounce of truth in any of it...

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Posted: 9/14/2012 3:58:53 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain:



http://news.yahoo.com/u-embassies-attacked-yemen-egypt-libya-envoy-killed-113727046.html

once again... it must be the liberal media...  

neither fair nor balanced
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Posted: 9/14/2012 8:50:02 AM

Did you hear that on Faux News ?

Did you read the reuters link?

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Posted: 9/14/2012 8:52:42 AM

By the way,

Mr. Obama told Patrick Gaspard, his political director, at the start of the 2008 campaign, according to The New Yorker. “I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m going to think I’m a better political director than my political director.”

Michelle Obama:

“He reads every word, every memo, so he is better prepared than the people briefing him,” she said. “This man doesn’t take a day off.”

This guy is a clown. We have a President who is an actual clown.

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Posted: 9/14/2012 9:51:55 AM
DJ but....would not ROMNEY command more HATE(ie Fear and respect) within the Middle East where these animals would be less inclined to carry out such cowardly acts in fear of reprisal

Like somebody stated earlier, talk softly and carry a big stick

Facts are OBAMA is out campaigning vigorishly for his reelction while failing to perform his duties as current POTUS. I am sure any intelligent American can/will/does see what a screwed up set of priorities BOH actually has which will  further damage his reelection chances
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Posted: 9/14/2012 10:23:06 AM

ilsp2003

try reading all 4 lines of my post and you can answer your own question.

Christ, some poeple.......................................

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Posted: 9/14/2012 10:39:53 AM

One has to wonder if a leader of the ilk of pope Urban II was with us, along with the fortitude and bravery of our ancestral crusaders, would this garbage be happening.

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Posted: 9/14/2012 11:26:17 AM

Add 2 more Embassy's to the list.

"Protesters scale U.S. embassy walls in Tunisia"

and:

"In Sudan, gunfire could be heard as protesters broke through a barrier protecting the U.S. Embassy outside Khartoum "

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Posted: 9/14/2012 11:56:36 AM
It's time for our box so called president to standup and do something.
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Posted: 9/14/2012 12:41:55 PM
Guess the "Apology Tour" of a few years ago fell on deaf ears.
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Posted: 9/14/2012 1:12:47 PM

who are you now ? political expert

Did you hear that on Faux News ?

Al-Masry Al-Youm reportedly obtained a copy of the September 4 letter, sent to all Egyptian security sectors, warning that Sinai- and Gaza-based Global Jihad cells were planning attacks on the two embassies.

Please, please, go on that this was some spontaneous mob reaction to a movie.



 

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Posted: 9/14/2012 1:14:44 PM

I love John Lennon but as hard as I "Imagine" there will never be peace in this world.

Humans are animals and until our survival actually depends on one another nothing will change.

These religious zealots would prefer to annihilate this planet in the name of Muhommad than try and find peace.

Oh no a cartoon about "my God", oh no a movie about "my God"...........

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Posted: 9/14/2012 2:23:32 PM
Pretty simple.

Would Romney have backed Mubarak, Gadaffi and Assad (Syria)?
This would have ensured status quo in the region and from an American point of view probably the right decision - but political suicide, I guess.

Now we have the Arab Spring - and nobody knows what happens next - you just don't go from dictatorship to a true democracy - hell, Russia isn't even a democracy in my book...they were for a short period during Jeltsin.

I know I should be supporting the "freedom fighters" in Syria - but I can't help being disgusted every time they shout "Allah uh akbar". Assad is a dictator - but at least he's not a religious one.
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Posted: 9/14/2012 2:32:46 PM
And again. It's not an attack on the U.S. - 99% of those people would  live in America if allowed.
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Posted: 9/14/2012 2:43:51 PM
{{{Pretty simple.

Would Romney have backed Mubarak, Gadaffi and Assad (Syria)?
This would have ensured status quo in the region and from an American point of view probably the right decision - but political suicide, I guess.

Now we have the Arab Spring - and nobody knows what happens next - you just don't go from dictatorship to a true democracy - hell, Russia isn't even a democracy in my book...they were for a short period during Jeltsin.

I know I should be supporting the "freedom fighters" in Syria - but I can't help being disgusted every time they shout "Allah uh akbar". Assad is a dictator - but at least he's not a religious one.}}}
 
RJ, that is a great question. I honestly don't know the answer. This is where the Reagan/Haig Doctrines fork from the Bush/Bolton ones.
 
Reagan/Haig would have supported keeping the governments that were in our interest, regardless of alleged actions. Bush/Bolton would have supported the removal in favor of democracies (read Bolton's essays on the Middle East for evidence of this).
Romney does have Bolton as a foreign policy advisor, but it is unclear what he would have followed here.
 
Obama clearly is more along the lines of the Bush/Bolton, although obviously without overt action.
 
Everyone that has read anything about my Middle East feelings knows this is a no-brainer to me. It is impossible for these religious theocracies to have long term democracies.
 
Impossible.
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Posted: 9/14/2012 3:31:42 PM

why do we insist on forcing democracy upon everyone?

 

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Posted: 9/14/2012 4:25:14 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lordspoint:

why do we insist on forcing democracy upon everyone?

 


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Posted: 9/14/2012 5:52:31 PM
Lord and Swish

What is succesful in one market, country, family,  or any other assembly of mankind, doesn't guarantee the similar outcomes/results ,  if even, experimented , in a totally different set of variables within any different groups of  people.

The fact that people migrated to the NEW WORLD in search for their individual freedom IS still one of the greatest accomplishments  ever

Other cultures will NEVER feel, see, or experience what US Americans take for granted everyday We sit around using our advanced technology, comfort controlled cribs, and big screens, enjoying personal freedoms that are the envy of the world  Why should we "suggest" to other countries/nations how to create that kind of society

Like DJ states above, IMPOSSIBLE Those folks need to figure it out on their own like, very fortunately, our Founding Fathers did using history and intellectuals of the day to organize themselves as civilized people. They congregated, debated, wrote and ratified a document that at one time, outlined the liberties that  the citizens enjoyed, Until, BOH
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Posted: 9/15/2012 1:12:24 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

We are being attacked because a Jewish imbecile film maker enjoys poking a hornets nest

No we're not. It is because Obama is ineffective & weak.

Also note:

But two Libyan officials, including the commander of a security force which escorted the U.S. rescuers, said a later assault on a supposedly safe refuge for the diplomats appeared professionally executed.

This wasn't some mob and it was not some reaction to a movie.



GoldenGoose couldn't point out the more obvious fact on regarding this issue

14road, you just made one of the stupidest follow up posts of the year....... We need a covers psychiatrist for you to deal with your delusional thought process.
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14road, you just made one of the stupidest follow up posts of the year....... We need a covers psychiatrist for you to deal with your delusional thought process.

Perhaps you can explain why  the President of Libya says the killings there were not spontaneous but were long premeditated and the nutty movie was only a smokescreen.

Perhaps you can explain how a "spontaneous" mob gets their hands on those types of weapons.

But I'm guessing not.

Facts, they don't fit your narratives.

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Posted: 9/17/2012 3:11:34 PM
IF and only IF the report is accurate, the most probable perpetrator was elements of Qudaffi's holdouts, looking to embarrass and destabilize the new Libyan government. If so, it's not a good sign

But that has 0 to do with Obama being ineffective and weak you delusional darn..

Inferences and speculation are your strong suit not facts..

Sarkozy and Obama made a stand and told the world that they would not allow Gaddhafi to destroy Benghazi. Half a million lives were the estimated casualties if Gaddhafi's tanks and troops made it to the city. The same Benghazi citizens who killed this ambassador very possibly would have been killed last year had there been no intervention.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL5E8KCMYB20120912?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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Posted: 9/17/2012 5:04:31 PM
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Posted: 9/17/2012 5:46:57 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Stiln:

IF and only IF the report is accurate, the most probable perpetrator was elements of Qudaffi's holdouts, looking to embarrass and destabilize the new Libyan government. If so, it's not a good sign

But that has 0 to do with Obama being ineffective and weak you delusional darn..

Inferences and speculation are your strong suit not facts..

Sarkozy and Obama made a stand and told the world that they would not allow Gaddhafi to destroy Benghazi. Half a million lives were the estimated casualties if Gaddhafi's tanks and troops made it to the city. The same Benghazi citizens who killed this ambassador very possibly would have been killed last year had there been no intervention.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL5E8KCMYB20120912?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0





was it security failure, policy failure or weak president
when below attacks occurred ?


1983
April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

1984
Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.


2002
June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.

Dec. 6, 2004 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia:
terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.


2007
Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy is fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.

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