“We don’t know how to prepare teachers,” said Arthur Levine, former president of Teachers College at Columbia University and author of a scathing critique of teacher preparation. “We can’t decide whether it’s a craft or a profession. Do you need a lot of education as you would in a profession, or do you need a little bit and then learn on the job, like a craft? I don’t know of any other profession that’s so uncertain about how to educate their professionals.”
Many education schools suffer from the same maladies, Levine said. “Admission standards are low, no connection between clinical work and academic work and some of the faculty haven’t been in a school for years,” he said.
The topic has gained urgency, with new research that shows teacher quality is the single most important factor inside a classroom that affects student learning. As baby boomers retire, classrooms increasingly have newly minted teachers at the helm.
Isn't it funny how "educators" haven't figured this out but home schoolers have?
“We don’t know how to prepare teachers,” said Arthur Levine, former president of Teachers College at Columbia University and author of a scathing critique of teacher preparation. “We can’t decide whether it’s a craft or a profession. Do you need a lot of education as you would in a profession, or do you need a little bit and then learn on the job, like a craft? I don’t know of any other profession that’s so uncertain about how to educate their professionals.”
Many education schools suffer from the same maladies, Levine said. “Admission standards are low, no connection between clinical work and academic work and some of the faculty haven’t been in a school for years,” he said.
The topic has gained urgency, with new research that shows teacher quality is the single most important factor inside a classroom that affects student learning. As baby boomers retire, classrooms increasingly have newly minted teachers at the helm.
Isn't it funny how "educators" haven't figured this out but home schoolers have?
And when we have mediocre school teachers, we get:
In her first semester at Penn State, Collier took seminars in which professors asked her to synthesize ideas, develop arguments and do original research. It was new to her.
“We had to go into the library all the time and research articles and really, really write,” Collier said. “It was difficult for me because I hadn’t done that in high school. I didn’t have to write a lot. I didn’t really research anything.”
The 2.1 grade-point average she earned that first semester devastated her.
That young woman is from a DC public school and the article details the struggles of DC public school graduates making it through college - shock Of those D.C. students who enroll in college, 38 percent earn a degree within five years - even though D.C. Public Schools Spend Almost $30,000 Per Student.
And when we have mediocre school teachers, we get:
In her first semester at Penn State, Collier took seminars in which professors asked her to synthesize ideas, develop arguments and do original research. It was new to her.
“We had to go into the library all the time and research articles and really, really write,” Collier said. “It was difficult for me because I hadn’t done that in high school. I didn’t have to write a lot. I didn’t really research anything.”
The 2.1 grade-point average she earned that first semester devastated her.
That young woman is from a DC public school and the article details the struggles of DC public school graduates making it through college - shock Of those D.C. students who enroll in college, 38 percent earn a degree within five years - even though D.C. Public Schools Spend Almost $30,000 Per Student.
you go searching for any negative garbage you can find about your country when the colored guy is in charge.
Why are you commenting? This isn't a link to salon or huffington post, so why are you reading?
PS: you know you can't make an argument when your response to a post on the first ever ranking of the education programs training teachers is to whine about "right wingers"
you go searching for any negative garbage you can find about your country when the colored guy is in charge.
Why are you commenting? This isn't a link to salon or huffington post, so why are you reading?
PS: you know you can't make an argument when your response to a post on the first ever ranking of the education programs training teachers is to whine about "right wingers"
you go searching for any negative garbage you can find about your country when the colored guy is in charge.
Obama's Secretary of Education:
On Thursday, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan went to Columbia University's Teachers College, the oldest teacher-training school in the nation, and delivered a speech blasting the education schools that have trained the majority of the 3.2 million teachers working in U.S. public schools today. "By almost any standard, many if not most of the nation's 1,450 schools, colleges and departments of education are doing a mediocre job of preparing teachers for the realities of the 21st century classroom,"
you go searching for any negative garbage you can find about your country when the colored guy is in charge.
Obama's Secretary of Education:
On Thursday, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan went to Columbia University's Teachers College, the oldest teacher-training school in the nation, and delivered a speech blasting the education schools that have trained the majority of the 3.2 million teachers working in U.S. public schools today. "By almost any standard, many if not most of the nation's 1,450 schools, colleges and departments of education are doing a mediocre job of preparing teachers for the realities of the 21st century classroom,"
I don't think there is a more trivial and insincere training program. It is a high-priced joke. There is no speciality at all. All the disciplines (math, English, history, etc..) are lumped into general knowledge/practices courses. There's tons of meaningless multiculturalism/egalitarianism and psychology courses. You spend countless hours writing papers that pander to the whimsy of academics and the misguided efforts of multiculturalism.
Education has no respect in this country, so why would you expect anything different in teacher education programs? They could do a better job, but they don't care enough to spend the money.
I don't think there is a more trivial and insincere training program. It is a high-priced joke. There is no speciality at all. All the disciplines (math, English, history, etc..) are lumped into general knowledge/practices courses. There's tons of meaningless multiculturalism/egalitarianism and psychology courses. You spend countless hours writing papers that pander to the whimsy of academics and the misguided efforts of multiculturalism.
Education has no respect in this country, so why would you expect anything different in teacher education programs? They could do a better job, but they don't care enough to spend the money.
Show me a family interested and involved in their childs education and I will show you results irregardless of money per child spent.
Stop focusing on one political party or the negative and start looking at ways to make things better.
14, you are so negative, always looking for an angle to bash, it has to be pretty sad that your life is spent searching for ways to put down one political party or a group you disagree with.
How about you outline how to make things better, WITHOUT mention of unions or political party.
Show me a family interested and involved in their childs education and I will show you results irregardless of money per child spent.
Stop focusing on one political party or the negative and start looking at ways to make things better.
14, you are so negative, always looking for an angle to bash, it has to be pretty sad that your life is spent searching for ways to put down one political party or a group you disagree with.
How about you outline how to make things better, WITHOUT mention of unions or political party.
Wallstrret, part of the problem in our education system IS the unions. The public school system for the most part is a failure. Charter schools get better results with much less money and a big reason why is their teachers are held responsible and can easily get fired if they don't do their job. You cannot say the same with public school/union teachers. While there are many great teachers in that system they are overrun by teachers that don't care other than getting their benefits. They know they can't get fired.
Just look how the union thugs protest any attempt to do what is good for the kids. Why do unions oppose a voucher program? If it's really all about the kids and getting them a good education, shouldn't a parent with limited means have the opportunity to send their kid to a good school?
A perfect example is the DC school system. Michelle Rhee came in and put in place a system to evaluate teachers. The union of course was outraged and ran her out of that job by electing a mayor that was intent on firing her. But the reforms she put in were working as test scores went up. Firing over 200 bad teachers probably helped too.
Want to guess why teacher's don't want to be held accountable?
Wallstrret, part of the problem in our education system IS the unions. The public school system for the most part is a failure. Charter schools get better results with much less money and a big reason why is their teachers are held responsible and can easily get fired if they don't do their job. You cannot say the same with public school/union teachers. While there are many great teachers in that system they are overrun by teachers that don't care other than getting their benefits. They know they can't get fired.
Just look how the union thugs protest any attempt to do what is good for the kids. Why do unions oppose a voucher program? If it's really all about the kids and getting them a good education, shouldn't a parent with limited means have the opportunity to send their kid to a good school?
A perfect example is the DC school system. Michelle Rhee came in and put in place a system to evaluate teachers. The union of course was outraged and ran her out of that job by electing a mayor that was intent on firing her. But the reforms she put in were working as test scores went up. Firing over 200 bad teachers probably helped too.
Want to guess why teacher's don't want to be held accountable?
14, you are so negative, always looking for an angle to bash, it has to be pretty sad that your life is spent searching for ways to put down one political party or a group you disagree with.
How about you outline how to make things better, WITHOUT mention of unions or political party.
14, you are so negative, always looking for an angle to bash, it has to be pretty sad that your life is spent searching for ways to put down one political party or a group you disagree with.
How about you outline how to make things better, WITHOUT mention of unions or political party.
You know you are a liberal when you...... meh Fvck it.. Race Card
when old, weird, angry white people get together, i.e. rightwingers, the mexican (they're all mexican) and the colored fella aren't going to be well liked.
You know you are a liberal when you...... meh Fvck it.. Race Card
when old, weird, angry white people get together, i.e. rightwingers, the mexican (they're all mexican) and the colored fella aren't going to be well liked.
I don't think there is a more trivial and insincere training program. It is a high-priced joke. There is no speciality at all. All the disciplines (math, English, history, etc..) are lumped into general knowledge/practices courses. There's tons of meaningless multiculturalism/egalitarianism and psychology courses. You spend countless hours writing papers that pander to the whimsy of academics and the misguided efforts of multiculturalism.
This is no doubt true. The idea that you need a Masters Degree in Education to teach 4th graders is absurd.
The education programs put forth by colleges and universities don't really have much practicality as they don't map to the real world.
Teachers have been complaining about this for some time and it is discussed in the comments section of the article. I think a good start would be to have prospective teachers get degrees in the subject areas they plan to teach.
I don't think there is a more trivial and insincere training program. It is a high-priced joke. There is no speciality at all. All the disciplines (math, English, history, etc..) are lumped into general knowledge/practices courses. There's tons of meaningless multiculturalism/egalitarianism and psychology courses. You spend countless hours writing papers that pander to the whimsy of academics and the misguided efforts of multiculturalism.
This is no doubt true. The idea that you need a Masters Degree in Education to teach 4th graders is absurd.
The education programs put forth by colleges and universities don't really have much practicality as they don't map to the real world.
Teachers have been complaining about this for some time and it is discussed in the comments section of the article. I think a good start would be to have prospective teachers get degrees in the subject areas they plan to teach.
I 100% disagree about Charter schools..and Arizona is one of the most active charter states if I recall.
My problem with Charter is multi-fold, I do not think schools should be profit oriented, that should not be the focus in any way. I also think the charter curve is not the curve of the average public school, nor is the private curve similar to public.
People seek out charter looking for an alleged improvement in their school experience for their child. That little concept of actively seeking would to me mean the parent is more involved in the education of their child, thus that child SHOULD perform better than the average student in public schools. Charters down here do not have transport for kids, the parent has to shuttle every day back and forth..most charters down here have requirements that parents spend X number of hours a year IN class or pay more if they opt out, that does not exist in the public school system.
Until Charters function EXACTLY the same as public, meaning they take the entire demographic basket from an area, then you cannot compare the two. It would be similar to saying since ASU and Harvard are both higher education institutions then they should be the same..well we know that is not the case and the bar to get into Harvard is higher, thus Harvard has better results etc..you have to compare equal and similar groups to draw a conclusion.
Charters also have MANY limitations, I would never go to a charter school, I see absolutely no benefit to 95% of charter schools.
The only charter I would consider down here is one called Basis...outside that none would interest me.
I 100% disagree about Charter schools..and Arizona is one of the most active charter states if I recall.
My problem with Charter is multi-fold, I do not think schools should be profit oriented, that should not be the focus in any way. I also think the charter curve is not the curve of the average public school, nor is the private curve similar to public.
People seek out charter looking for an alleged improvement in their school experience for their child. That little concept of actively seeking would to me mean the parent is more involved in the education of their child, thus that child SHOULD perform better than the average student in public schools. Charters down here do not have transport for kids, the parent has to shuttle every day back and forth..most charters down here have requirements that parents spend X number of hours a year IN class or pay more if they opt out, that does not exist in the public school system.
Until Charters function EXACTLY the same as public, meaning they take the entire demographic basket from an area, then you cannot compare the two. It would be similar to saying since ASU and Harvard are both higher education institutions then they should be the same..well we know that is not the case and the bar to get into Harvard is higher, thus Harvard has better results etc..you have to compare equal and similar groups to draw a conclusion.
Charters also have MANY limitations, I would never go to a charter school, I see absolutely no benefit to 95% of charter schools.
The only charter I would consider down here is one called Basis...outside that none would interest me.
Why is this in the politics forum? You have never associated education woes with political parties or unions then, correct?
Where are your solutions, why is it always complaining and attacking from you? I dont see ANY solutions in this thread, just the constant b!tching and whining...
Why is this in the politics forum? You have never associated education woes with political parties or unions then, correct?
Where are your solutions, why is it always complaining and attacking from you? I dont see ANY solutions in this thread, just the constant b!tching and whining...
Why is this in the politics forum? You have never associated education woes with political parties or unions then, correct?
Where are your solutions, why is it always complaining and attacking from you? I dont see ANY solutions in this thread, just the constant b!tching and whining...
Uh, you may want to read post #6. Is he just "bitching and whining"?
Uh, you may want to read post #18, or is there no suggestion there?
The fact that you, person who comes here and does nothing but bash corporations, would say this is comical.
That fact that you equate criticism with "bashing" also speaks volumes.
Why is this in the politics forum? You have never associated education woes with political parties or unions then, correct?
Where are your solutions, why is it always complaining and attacking from you? I dont see ANY solutions in this thread, just the constant b!tching and whining...
Uh, you may want to read post #6. Is he just "bitching and whining"?
Uh, you may want to read post #18, or is there no suggestion there?
The fact that you, person who comes here and does nothing but bash corporations, would say this is comical.
That fact that you equate criticism with "bashing" also speaks volumes.
I don't see ANY solutions from you, just bitching about what I say and complaining about charter schools.
Psychiatrists call things like this "projection"
Stop projecting about me.
Thanks.
Nice one 14, yeah I have never given suggestions about how to make education better, specifically post 14..how ironic.
I am not convinced of the merits for Charter schools, I replied to dan and gave solid reasons why.
How is replying to someone else projecting to you? I answered your retort, I did and DO give solutions quite regularly, where are the solutions that YOU gave in this thread or others?
Show me where you gave concrete solutions to this issue, I am quite interested in hearing your positive, realistic ideas about how to make things better. You have copy/pasted plenty of negative bashing articles to last for a few years.
I don't see ANY solutions from you, just bitching about what I say and complaining about charter schools.
Psychiatrists call things like this "projection"
Stop projecting about me.
Thanks.
Nice one 14, yeah I have never given suggestions about how to make education better, specifically post 14..how ironic.
I am not convinced of the merits for Charter schools, I replied to dan and gave solid reasons why.
How is replying to someone else projecting to you? I answered your retort, I did and DO give solutions quite regularly, where are the solutions that YOU gave in this thread or others?
Show me where you gave concrete solutions to this issue, I am quite interested in hearing your positive, realistic ideas about how to make things better. You have copy/pasted plenty of negative bashing articles to last for a few years.
I would wave my magic wand and eliminate any and all graduate degree requirements for any teaching position in every public school. The current educational instruction model for future teachers is too expensive bureaucratic and teacher education needs to be revamped.
The problem is that Unions collude with Universities to make advancement in teaching require further University degrees. Why? I'm not sure because it doesn't advance the interest (long term) of the union members. They're not getting value from the educational investment
I would work to implement a model requiring high school teachers to have a B.A. or B.S. in whatever they are going to teach. Accept any B.A. or B.S. for K-8 (or a 2 year degree plus an internship would work for those grades). Make education a "minor" degree path.
I would wave my magic wand and eliminate any and all graduate degree requirements for any teaching position in every public school. The current educational instruction model for future teachers is too expensive bureaucratic and teacher education needs to be revamped.
The problem is that Unions collude with Universities to make advancement in teaching require further University degrees. Why? I'm not sure because it doesn't advance the interest (long term) of the union members. They're not getting value from the educational investment
I would work to implement a model requiring high school teachers to have a B.A. or B.S. in whatever they are going to teach. Accept any B.A. or B.S. for K-8 (or a 2 year degree plus an internship would work for those grades). Make education a "minor" degree path.
And I say that because we don't want young men and women interested in teaching to shy away because of possible fears of large educational debt.
I also think it common sense that being well versed in the area you plan to teach (eg math, history) is a better approach than having this generic ed degree.
And I say that because we don't want young men and women interested in teaching to shy away because of possible fears of large educational debt.
I also think it common sense that being well versed in the area you plan to teach (eg math, history) is a better approach than having this generic ed degree.
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