Undeniable that we are increasing CO2 levels(ppm) to unprecedented levels through emissions (transport, food, manufacturing,daily life, etc etc...) and too a lesser extent deforestation (trees eat CO2)
And that seems to be contributing to the speeding up of the melting of the ice cap in the arctic (north pole).
Not sure if you have read about "the milankovitch cycles" but check it out if you haven't. It relates to how the earth warms and cools in correspondence with its location to the sun. And how that lines up with the ice ages in history
Undeniable that we are increasing CO2 levels(ppm) to unprecedented levels through emissions (transport, food, manufacturing,daily life, etc etc...) and too a lesser extent deforestation (trees eat CO2)
And that seems to be contributing to the speeding up of the melting of the ice cap in the arctic (north pole).
Not sure if you have read about "the milankovitch cycles" but check it out if you haven't. It relates to how the earth warms and cools in correspondence with its location to the sun. And how that lines up with the ice ages in history
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: As winters warm over the long term, cold extremes can still occur. Arctic warming can push polar air south. But overall, global heat records outpace cold records. For example, trend shows declining snow levels in the US for 9 straight years. Ya. There's a good article online explaining how global warming can push arctic systems southward into regions that don't get it so frequently. If global warming pushes arctic systems to southward regions that don't get it so frequently should not there be a slew of low record temps in soutward regions? Could you give some examples? Of course not. I know you were compiling data on highest highs and lowest lows but wouldn't average temp be more of an indicator? And ocean temp? And size of glaciers? I am using raw data that I see available to me. Unfortunately have not found average monthly/yearly temps at Extremeweatherwatch. Have found daily/monthly/yearly temps at weatherunderground going back to early 70's but wouldn't you know it the older data is corrupted with zero temps entered in to the mix. Example, I spent over two hours dissecting August of 1973 data for Midland Michigan. If you look for monthly avg you find 67.46F as the avg. When you drill down to daily records you find zero degree F entered many times over about half the days in the month. August 1st 1973 has a zero temp entered 9 times. Take out all those zeros and the avg actually was 71.59F, not 67.46F. USELESS DATA! I DO NOT rely on opinions, I want raw data. Let me decide. We came out of the Little Ice Age around 1850. Ice has been melting since then. If you look at NASA's own sea level chart, 1900-1918, you can see from about 1935 to 1955 a 75 mm rise. From 1998 to 2018 a 75 mm rise. So recent rise compares to 1930's. Then there was a lull from 1960 to 1980 in sea level rise. NASA says it's because MAN built dams. I'm not buying that! If you look at NASA's Global Temp chart you see a peak in 1942 and then a drop and lull through 1975. It is obvious this three decade temp lull slowed the rising oceans, not manmade dam projects. For me it's a credibility RED FLAG. Why would they say that? If you overlay Global Temps with sea level rise it's obvious. I have no doubt the yearly avg temps are most likely rising since 1850. Have no doubt the ocean temps are rising too since 1850. Have no doubt CO2 in atmosphere is rising. And have no doubt that CO2 diffuses heat radiation. In fact, looking at highest/lowest temp data it appears CO2 helps reduce the hottest days and warms the coldest nights. But it also may retain heat for longer +80, +90 degree days. Double-edge sword so to speak. What I do doubt is severe weather is worse, hurricanes are worse, wildfires are worse, droughts, floods, are worse. The data I see doesn't back it up. So my question is what caused the sea level to rise 75mm from 1935-55? What caused the Global Temp bump of 1940-42? What caused the Global temp lull from 1945-75? What caused 26 of the 50 states to have alltime high temps to set prior to 1939? What caused the great California flood of 1861, parts of Sacremento were 30' underwater. What caused the Southwest mega-drought of 1276-1299? The answer of course is Mother Nature. The earth doesn't stay the same like the thermostat in your house.
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: As winters warm over the long term, cold extremes can still occur. Arctic warming can push polar air south. But overall, global heat records outpace cold records. For example, trend shows declining snow levels in the US for 9 straight years. Ya. There's a good article online explaining how global warming can push arctic systems southward into regions that don't get it so frequently. If global warming pushes arctic systems to southward regions that don't get it so frequently should not there be a slew of low record temps in soutward regions? Could you give some examples? Of course not. I know you were compiling data on highest highs and lowest lows but wouldn't average temp be more of an indicator? And ocean temp? And size of glaciers? I am using raw data that I see available to me. Unfortunately have not found average monthly/yearly temps at Extremeweatherwatch. Have found daily/monthly/yearly temps at weatherunderground going back to early 70's but wouldn't you know it the older data is corrupted with zero temps entered in to the mix. Example, I spent over two hours dissecting August of 1973 data for Midland Michigan. If you look for monthly avg you find 67.46F as the avg. When you drill down to daily records you find zero degree F entered many times over about half the days in the month. August 1st 1973 has a zero temp entered 9 times. Take out all those zeros and the avg actually was 71.59F, not 67.46F. USELESS DATA! I DO NOT rely on opinions, I want raw data. Let me decide. We came out of the Little Ice Age around 1850. Ice has been melting since then. If you look at NASA's own sea level chart, 1900-1918, you can see from about 1935 to 1955 a 75 mm rise. From 1998 to 2018 a 75 mm rise. So recent rise compares to 1930's. Then there was a lull from 1960 to 1980 in sea level rise. NASA says it's because MAN built dams. I'm not buying that! If you look at NASA's Global Temp chart you see a peak in 1942 and then a drop and lull through 1975. It is obvious this three decade temp lull slowed the rising oceans, not manmade dam projects. For me it's a credibility RED FLAG. Why would they say that? If you overlay Global Temps with sea level rise it's obvious. I have no doubt the yearly avg temps are most likely rising since 1850. Have no doubt the ocean temps are rising too since 1850. Have no doubt CO2 in atmosphere is rising. And have no doubt that CO2 diffuses heat radiation. In fact, looking at highest/lowest temp data it appears CO2 helps reduce the hottest days and warms the coldest nights. But it also may retain heat for longer +80, +90 degree days. Double-edge sword so to speak. What I do doubt is severe weather is worse, hurricanes are worse, wildfires are worse, droughts, floods, are worse. The data I see doesn't back it up. So my question is what caused the sea level to rise 75mm from 1935-55? What caused the Global Temp bump of 1940-42? What caused the Global temp lull from 1945-75? What caused 26 of the 50 states to have alltime high temps to set prior to 1939? What caused the great California flood of 1861, parts of Sacremento were 30' underwater. What caused the Southwest mega-drought of 1276-1299? The answer of course is Mother Nature. The earth doesn't stay the same like the thermostat in your house.
@UNIMAN Similar thoughts. Undeniable that we are increasing CO2 levels(ppm) to unprecedented levels through emissions (transport, food, manufacturing,daily life, etc etc...) and too a lesser extent deforestation (trees eat CO2) And that seems to be contributing to the speeding up of the melting of the ice cap in the arctic (north pole). Not sure if you have read about "the milankovitch cycles" but check it out if you haven't. It relates to how the earth warms and cools in correspondence with its location to the sun. And how that lines up with the ice ages in history
Yeah, remember learning about Milakovitch cycles. That and the solar systems 200 million year rotation around the Milky Way.
@UNIMAN Similar thoughts. Undeniable that we are increasing CO2 levels(ppm) to unprecedented levels through emissions (transport, food, manufacturing,daily life, etc etc...) and too a lesser extent deforestation (trees eat CO2) And that seems to be contributing to the speeding up of the melting of the ice cap in the arctic (north pole). Not sure if you have read about "the milankovitch cycles" but check it out if you haven't. It relates to how the earth warms and cools in correspondence with its location to the sun. And how that lines up with the ice ages in history
Yeah, remember learning about Milakovitch cycles. That and the solar systems 200 million year rotation around the Milky Way.
Antarctic sea ice, despite global warming has increased in overall extent over the past 40 years. Then followed last year by.....-antarctic-sea-ice-hits-troubling-low-for-third-consecutive-year. Who is right? Flip a coin.
Antarctic sea ice is irrelevant in sea level rise or fall. Melting land ice contributes to sea level rise. The total behavior of all ice is causing a rise in sea level in the long term.
Antarctic sea ice, despite global warming has increased in overall extent over the past 40 years. Then followed last year by.....-antarctic-sea-ice-hits-troubling-low-for-third-consecutive-year. Who is right? Flip a coin.
Antarctic sea ice is irrelevant in sea level rise or fall. Melting land ice contributes to sea level rise. The total behavior of all ice is causing a rise in sea level in the long term.
Climate science journal "Carbon brief" warns that Trump's plan to reverse Biden policies would worsen global warming. Increase in US emissions could be roughly equal to that of European union and Japan combined. Negating last 5 years of global progress twice over. Trump is a threat to future generations if re-elected.
Climate science journal "Carbon brief" warns that Trump's plan to reverse Biden policies would worsen global warming. Increase in US emissions could be roughly equal to that of European union and Japan combined. Negating last 5 years of global progress twice over. Trump is a threat to future generations if re-elected.
Climate science journal "Carbon brief" warns that Trump's plan to reverse Biden policies would worsen global warming. Increase in US emissions could be roughly equal to that of European union and Japan combined. Negating last 5 years of global progress twice over. Trump is a threat to future generations if re-elected.
European Union and Japan combined represent 4.8 million sq km of the globe
United States is 9.8 sq km of the globe.
Larger footprint means less CO2 per sq km and more area for CO2 capturing plant life.
Since 2017 the United States has shaved a mere 0.15 billion tons of CO2 per year.
Meanwhile China added 1.39 billion tons per yr since 2017 and India added .40 billion tons yearly as compared to 2017.
Let's do the math; 1.39 + .40 = 1.79 - .15 = 1.64 more tons per yr despite all the money we spent. No wonder 2023 had the worst CO2 emissions ever.
Climate science journal "Carbon brief" warns that Trump's plan to reverse Biden policies would worsen global warming. Increase in US emissions could be roughly equal to that of European union and Japan combined. Negating last 5 years of global progress twice over. Trump is a threat to future generations if re-elected.
European Union and Japan combined represent 4.8 million sq km of the globe
United States is 9.8 sq km of the globe.
Larger footprint means less CO2 per sq km and more area for CO2 capturing plant life.
Since 2017 the United States has shaved a mere 0.15 billion tons of CO2 per year.
Meanwhile China added 1.39 billion tons per yr since 2017 and India added .40 billion tons yearly as compared to 2017.
Let's do the math; 1.39 + .40 = 1.79 - .15 = 1.64 more tons per yr despite all the money we spent. No wonder 2023 had the worst CO2 emissions ever.
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