What impresses me is how concerned you are with my plays. Never a kind word...EVER.
I started this thread at 10pm last night....finished around 11 (at work). I played before I left the house to work my holiday shift.
The only line thats not currently available is Oregon.....and I missed the opening which was 22 I believe.
I missed a lower number on Stanford.
The rest are all .5 a point off. I did buy the hook on ASU and ISU, but thats it.
All these numbers were available last night. Why would I post if Oregon was a play at 27? Is it a play at 13? 39?
This tired act? You mean winning? I will continue as usual.
Is that all you got? I mean I know you dont have a job and all, so I expect a little more from you. Nice use of CAPITAL LETTERS TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS.....EXTRA CLASSY
Hater #2
ROFL i'd rather have no job like Van, than a job where I have to work a "Holiday Shift"
Jobs with "Shifts".
Do they pay you in paper checks that you have to cash yourself too?
What impresses me is how concerned you are with my plays. Never a kind word...EVER.
I started this thread at 10pm last night....finished around 11 (at work). I played before I left the house to work my holiday shift.
The only line thats not currently available is Oregon.....and I missed the opening which was 22 I believe.
I missed a lower number on Stanford.
The rest are all .5 a point off. I did buy the hook on ASU and ISU, but thats it.
All these numbers were available last night. Why would I post if Oregon was a play at 27? Is it a play at 13? 39?
This tired act? You mean winning? I will continue as usual.
Is that all you got? I mean I know you dont have a job and all, so I expect a little more from you. Nice use of CAPITAL LETTERS TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS.....EXTRA CLASSY
Hater #2
ROFL i'd rather have no job like Van, than a job where I have to work a "Holiday Shift"
Jobs with "Shifts".
Do they pay you in paper checks that you have to cash yourself too?
I called this quack out one week last year after he posted twenty two lines, twenty one of which were bogus or required laying at least -120 juice. Total fraud. Its amazing that he never has a line move against him.
I called this quack out one week last year after he posted twenty two lines, twenty one of which were bogus or required laying at least -120 juice. Total fraud. Its amazing that he never has a line move against him.
I saw you said something about playing New Mexico State on the ML??? They are the biggest garbage teams in the college football. Minny stinks but did play USC to a 2 pt game at USC regardless of how overrated USC is they have talent. Minny is getting back to their running game and NMS is a team I am going to play against all year long they are DREADFUL just like New Mexico who I will play against all year long. Arkansas is going to BLAST THEM. First half and game all day long. Good luck on on your plays all look pretty good.
I saw you said something about playing New Mexico State on the ML??? They are the biggest garbage teams in the college football. Minny stinks but did play USC to a 2 pt game at USC regardless of how overrated USC is they have talent. Minny is getting back to their running game and NMS is a team I am going to play against all year long they are DREADFUL just like New Mexico who I will play against all year long. Arkansas is going to BLAST THEM. First half and game all day long. Good luck on on your plays all look pretty good.
I plan on using your information, made good money with ya last year and riding the train again. I follow when I do not have the time to research myself.
I plan on using your information, made good money with ya last year and riding the train again. I follow when I do not have the time to research myself.
8 pages on a guy who is for all legitimate gambling purposes, irrelevant.
For posting purposes his picks may be of some use. That is what they are. A bunch of picks.
This is a pick.
Fla Int +3.5
This is a play
Fla Int +3.5 (-116) Pinny, current line.
This poster has not made a play in years that holds any validity what so ever. Same common Covers bullshit that can be found anywhere in the mains. Trying to figure out whether he is profitable is about as entertaining as the rubix cube. And about as useful.
He lists lines (legit or not) not plays, grades himself and postures as a gambler. No information at all. Gee that is original.
Nothing to see here for the serious investor. I don't know what the infatuation is with the guy, like him, hate him, what fucking ever.
He is what he is. Those of you who know better, why all the bother.
Leave him to those who find something valuable in his threads.
Look who crawled out of the penalty box. You want me to post stats and who has the hfa? I just post winners bro. The plaque for alternates is in the ladies room.
Meanwhile, this "non valid" poster is about to hit his FIU play.....
If you didnt care, you wouldnt open the thread Billy boy. Fact.
8 pages on a guy who is for all legitimate gambling purposes, irrelevant.
For posting purposes his picks may be of some use. That is what they are. A bunch of picks.
This is a pick.
Fla Int +3.5
This is a play
Fla Int +3.5 (-116) Pinny, current line.
This poster has not made a play in years that holds any validity what so ever. Same common Covers bullshit that can be found anywhere in the mains. Trying to figure out whether he is profitable is about as entertaining as the rubix cube. And about as useful.
He lists lines (legit or not) not plays, grades himself and postures as a gambler. No information at all. Gee that is original.
Nothing to see here for the serious investor. I don't know what the infatuation is with the guy, like him, hate him, what fucking ever.
He is what he is. Those of you who know better, why all the bother.
Leave him to those who find something valuable in his threads.
Look who crawled out of the penalty box. You want me to post stats and who has the hfa? I just post winners bro. The plaque for alternates is in the ladies room.
Meanwhile, this "non valid" poster is about to hit his FIU play.....
If you didnt care, you wouldnt open the thread Billy boy. Fact.
Read the thread. Slowly. I could not care less about your list of lines and picks. That shit is for your silly ass. As I said earlier they are irrelevant to anyone who is a serious player. You are just another poster who has the time to polish his own corn on an internet forum.
You will figure it out someday. Don't bother with an attempted explanation. You trying to bullshit guys who have been at this as long or longer than yourself is a complete waste of both of our time.
Carry on with your thread. If you need any help defining the word irrelevant I suggest you review any one of your threads in the last several years. If that does not help just carry on fella.
I will leave you to yourself and the occasional poster that knows no better.
Good luck with your lines and picks.
When you start posting plays, I will check back to see how you make out.
If you think I'm irrelevant that fine. It just tells me you know nothing about football.
I'm just trying to help people pick winners, I do it every year, in almost every sport You are too caught up in your own bullshit to look at my thread and realize I'm gonna hit 60% of these, minimum.....
The pick you posted was a "play"....and guess what.....a winner. FIU all day......
Thats all that matters. I post my plays in the mains for all to see. You weasel out of the penalty box long enough to say that "Ive been doing this longer and you dont post correct...blah blah blah"....sound about right?
I have 25ish "plays" posted. Please check back sunday morning. Hell, I may go 10-15 and make you really happy.
Read the thread. Slowly. I could not care less about your list of lines and picks. That shit is for your silly ass. As I said earlier they are irrelevant to anyone who is a serious player. You are just another poster who has the time to polish his own corn on an internet forum.
You will figure it out someday. Don't bother with an attempted explanation. You trying to bullshit guys who have been at this as long or longer than yourself is a complete waste of both of our time.
Carry on with your thread. If you need any help defining the word irrelevant I suggest you review any one of your threads in the last several years. If that does not help just carry on fella.
I will leave you to yourself and the occasional poster that knows no better.
Good luck with your lines and picks.
When you start posting plays, I will check back to see how you make out.
If you think I'm irrelevant that fine. It just tells me you know nothing about football.
I'm just trying to help people pick winners, I do it every year, in almost every sport You are too caught up in your own bullshit to look at my thread and realize I'm gonna hit 60% of these, minimum.....
The pick you posted was a "play"....and guess what.....a winner. FIU all day......
Thats all that matters. I post my plays in the mains for all to see. You weasel out of the penalty box long enough to say that "Ive been doing this longer and you dont post correct...blah blah blah"....sound about right?
I have 25ish "plays" posted. Please check back sunday morning. Hell, I may go 10-15 and make you really happy.
This thread turned in to a pretty good discussion on the subject of posted lines.....
RJ - I think the one difference I still have with your position is why people post at covers. I still disagree that posting at covers is a selfish pursuit for everybody. The honest reason I post, and why I read - is to educate / learn. I think there are lots of others as well.
So my point about Train posting lines that are suspect is directly related to that. What can anyone who reads it get out of "I bet Arizona St -7 (-130, but not posted)" if the current line is -9? How does that help anyone? How does it help anyone to see that one poster on covers gets the best line 90% of the time, but wont share how? I - for one - would love to learn more about predicting line movement - something Train is obviously very good at and I am not - but we get no insight.
I am being somewhat hypocritical in pick threads by only posting what I bet. I do discuss when asked, but as I posted earlier in this thread I dont do writeups, and a lot of times my reasoning is not sexy - so I dont post it. But when asked, I feel like I go out of my way to share my reasoning on anything and everything, and I post my plays because I have been specifically asked to do so after some long absences.
So I can see how we disagree about this. It boils down to the nature of what to expect from the motivation of posting here, and what we can expect as readers. I prefer to think that covers is more than a recordkeeping vehicle for handicappers. And if it is, and if Train really has this talent that he wont share - it rubs me the wrong way.
I never met a hater better than me. I am on twitter
This thread turned in to a pretty good discussion on the subject of posted lines.....
RJ - I think the one difference I still have with your position is why people post at covers. I still disagree that posting at covers is a selfish pursuit for everybody. The honest reason I post, and why I read - is to educate / learn. I think there are lots of others as well.
So my point about Train posting lines that are suspect is directly related to that. What can anyone who reads it get out of "I bet Arizona St -7 (-130, but not posted)" if the current line is -9? How does that help anyone? How does it help anyone to see that one poster on covers gets the best line 90% of the time, but wont share how? I - for one - would love to learn more about predicting line movement - something Train is obviously very good at and I am not - but we get no insight.
I am being somewhat hypocritical in pick threads by only posting what I bet. I do discuss when asked, but as I posted earlier in this thread I dont do writeups, and a lot of times my reasoning is not sexy - so I dont post it. But when asked, I feel like I go out of my way to share my reasoning on anything and everything, and I post my plays because I have been specifically asked to do so after some long absences.
So I can see how we disagree about this. It boils down to the nature of what to expect from the motivation of posting here, and what we can expect as readers. I prefer to think that covers is more than a recordkeeping vehicle for handicappers. And if it is, and if Train really has this talent that he wont share - it rubs me the wrong way.
in almost every sport You are too caught up in your own bullshit to look at my thread and realize I'm gonna hit 60% of these, minimum.....
Train -
Im not going to re-enter this debate - but just one point that emphasizes something said earlier in this thread and you have a hard time recognizing....
We dont know if 60% is PROFITABLE for you.
Winning 60% is not important. Winning money is. It is very hard for someone to evaluate your risk / reward (or ROI), when we have no idea what you are risking.
I never met a hater better than me. I am on twitter
in almost every sport You are too caught up in your own bullshit to look at my thread and realize I'm gonna hit 60% of these, minimum.....
Train -
Im not going to re-enter this debate - but just one point that emphasizes something said earlier in this thread and you have a hard time recognizing....
We dont know if 60% is PROFITABLE for you.
Winning 60% is not important. Winning money is. It is very hard for someone to evaluate your risk / reward (or ROI), when we have no idea what you are risking.
I don't get all the animosity over Trains posted lines. Obviously lines move during the week. He picks his plays and posts them early in the week. So maybe he gets them before they move or maybe he's buying points and not telling everyone. So what.
I had the option of getting Az State earlier this week at 7...could've bought it to 6.5 at the time. Now 4 days later it's 10. Does that mean he's lying about his line of 6.5? No...he got on it early for what it was then and maybe bought a pt or half-pt.
Also...do anyof you use locals? I know he's said he uses one. I've got an online account and also use a local. My local doesn't really care what Vegas or the overseas books has a number at. He'll use it as his opening line but he moves his own lines to balance out the wagers based on what people are betting WITH HIM. He's been several points off many times...just to try and balance out his wagers he's taken. So the lines I get from him can vary quite a bit from the current Vegas line. Sometimes there in may favor sometimes not...if not I usually will just stay away.
If Trains number is a half point or point off what you can get when you're ready to play the game...so what. Do the teams he selects win? That's all that matters. It's your job to shop and have options for better lines or to have options to bet the games early in the week before the lines move.
I don't get all the animosity over Trains posted lines. Obviously lines move during the week. He picks his plays and posts them early in the week. So maybe he gets them before they move or maybe he's buying points and not telling everyone. So what.
I had the option of getting Az State earlier this week at 7...could've bought it to 6.5 at the time. Now 4 days later it's 10. Does that mean he's lying about his line of 6.5? No...he got on it early for what it was then and maybe bought a pt or half-pt.
Also...do anyof you use locals? I know he's said he uses one. I've got an online account and also use a local. My local doesn't really care what Vegas or the overseas books has a number at. He'll use it as his opening line but he moves his own lines to balance out the wagers based on what people are betting WITH HIM. He's been several points off many times...just to try and balance out his wagers he's taken. So the lines I get from him can vary quite a bit from the current Vegas line. Sometimes there in may favor sometimes not...if not I usually will just stay away.
If Trains number is a half point or point off what you can get when you're ready to play the game...so what. Do the teams he selects win? That's all that matters. It's your job to shop and have options for better lines or to have options to bet the games early in the week before the lines move.
Im not going to re-enter this debate - but just one point that emphasizes something said earlier in this thread and you have a hard time recognizing....
We dont know if 60% is PROFITABLE for you.
Winning 60% is not important. Winning money is. It is very hard for someone to evaluate your risk / reward (or ROI), when we have no idea what you are risking.
Thats cool bro. Believe it or not, I do this for entertainment. Why else post? This forum is open to anyone in the world so of course there will be differing opinion. You are a smart guy and an asset to this site, no doubt.
I guess what "rubs me the wrong way" (as you put it earlier) is that you assume I am lying/misleading when I post. Most of the lines you compared on page one where .5 point off, and I did buy the hook on a couple. I cant post all my bet places because I dont soley play on the net. I posted sunday night, so I dont understand what you want me to say about the az st line or the oregon line that moved heavily after that. What am I supposed to do? If i posted lines from sunday you would claim phony even more.
Like I said, the picks (or plays as billy thinks there called) are solid. Thats how I help this site. No, Im not always right. I nabbed Tulsa as soon as i saw 13 and its at 12 or lower now.
Im not going to re-enter this debate - but just one point that emphasizes something said earlier in this thread and you have a hard time recognizing....
We dont know if 60% is PROFITABLE for you.
Winning 60% is not important. Winning money is. It is very hard for someone to evaluate your risk / reward (or ROI), when we have no idea what you are risking.
Thats cool bro. Believe it or not, I do this for entertainment. Why else post? This forum is open to anyone in the world so of course there will be differing opinion. You are a smart guy and an asset to this site, no doubt.
I guess what "rubs me the wrong way" (as you put it earlier) is that you assume I am lying/misleading when I post. Most of the lines you compared on page one where .5 point off, and I did buy the hook on a couple. I cant post all my bet places because I dont soley play on the net. I posted sunday night, so I dont understand what you want me to say about the az st line or the oregon line that moved heavily after that. What am I supposed to do? If i posted lines from sunday you would claim phony even more.
Like I said, the picks (or plays as billy thinks there called) are solid. Thats how I help this site. No, Im not always right. I nabbed Tulsa as soon as i saw 13 and its at 12 or lower now.
You have no plays posted. Just a bunch of lines with picks. Great that you have a good percentage dude. Let me know when you can go to the grocery store and spend a winning percentage. Most of the ones I frequent take money.
It would take a lot more time than anyone here would care to spend to see if you actually make any. You don't make plays. If you did we could determine whether or not you are actually profitable.
Yes your threads are irrelevant. For years you have posted lines that are not available. That makes them irrelevant save the self serving purpose for which they are intended. You need to feel like you matter here. Period. End of story. If you were posting to help someone you would use a line they could buy at the time of posting.
Not the case. It is simply a look at me thread just like the rest of your offerings. As earlier stated and again, nothing to see here other than some clown posing as a profitable gambler.
Enjoy your charade fella.
Oh and here is a few picks for you.
NFL
Cleveland Browns -2.5 (-120) Pinny
Houston Texans pick -110 Five Dimes
If they look a little late or stale so what.
When in Rome..........................
Thats a lot of typjng to prove you dont have a clue about sports wagering.
My irrelevant threads you keep stealing winners from.
Yep, its a look at me thread. I got nowhere to hide if I lose. Pretty safe to be you and be all talk in the penalty box and no posted plays, eh chief?
You have no plays posted. Just a bunch of lines with picks. Great that you have a good percentage dude. Let me know when you can go to the grocery store and spend a winning percentage. Most of the ones I frequent take money.
It would take a lot more time than anyone here would care to spend to see if you actually make any. You don't make plays. If you did we could determine whether or not you are actually profitable.
Yes your threads are irrelevant. For years you have posted lines that are not available. That makes them irrelevant save the self serving purpose for which they are intended. You need to feel like you matter here. Period. End of story. If you were posting to help someone you would use a line they could buy at the time of posting.
Not the case. It is simply a look at me thread just like the rest of your offerings. As earlier stated and again, nothing to see here other than some clown posing as a profitable gambler.
Enjoy your charade fella.
Oh and here is a few picks for you.
NFL
Cleveland Browns -2.5 (-120) Pinny
Houston Texans pick -110 Five Dimes
If they look a little late or stale so what.
When in Rome..........................
Thats a lot of typjng to prove you dont have a clue about sports wagering.
My irrelevant threads you keep stealing winners from.
Yep, its a look at me thread. I got nowhere to hide if I lose. Pretty safe to be you and be all talk in the penalty box and no posted plays, eh chief?
I don't get all the animosity over Trains posted lines. Obviously lines move during the week. He picks his plays and posts them early in the week. So maybe he gets them before they move or maybe he's buying points and not telling everyone. So what.
I had the option of getting Az State earlier this week at 7...could've bought it to 6.5 at the time. Now 4 days later it's 10. Does that mean he's lying about his line of 6.5? No...he got on it early for what it was then and maybe bought a pt or half-pt.
Also...do anyof you use locals? I know he's said he uses one. I've got an online account and also use a local. My local doesn't really care what Vegas or the overseas books has a number at. He'll use it as his opening line but he moves his own lines to balance out the wagers based on what people are betting WITH HIM. He's been several points off many times...just to try and balance out his wagers he's taken. So the lines I get from him can vary quite a bit from the current Vegas line. Sometimes there in may favor sometimes not...if not I usually will just stay away.
If Trains number is a half point or point off what you can get when you're ready to play the game...so what. Do the teams he selects win? That's all that matters. It's your job to shop and have options for better lines or to have options to bet the games early in the week before the lines move.
I don't get all the animosity over Trains posted lines. Obviously lines move during the week. He picks his plays and posts them early in the week. So maybe he gets them before they move or maybe he's buying points and not telling everyone. So what.
I had the option of getting Az State earlier this week at 7...could've bought it to 6.5 at the time. Now 4 days later it's 10. Does that mean he's lying about his line of 6.5? No...he got on it early for what it was then and maybe bought a pt or half-pt.
Also...do anyof you use locals? I know he's said he uses one. I've got an online account and also use a local. My local doesn't really care what Vegas or the overseas books has a number at. He'll use it as his opening line but he moves his own lines to balance out the wagers based on what people are betting WITH HIM. He's been several points off many times...just to try and balance out his wagers he's taken. So the lines I get from him can vary quite a bit from the current Vegas line. Sometimes there in may favor sometimes not...if not I usually will just stay away.
If Trains number is a half point or point off what you can get when you're ready to play the game...so what. Do the teams he selects win? That's all that matters. It's your job to shop and have options for better lines or to have options to bet the games early in the week before the lines move.
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