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Billy Walters' influence reaches beyond Vegas to offshore books

Update: David Purdum conducted an exclusive interview with sports betting legend Bill Walters Thursday evening, after the original story had been published.

Read the first part of that exclusive interview here and be sure to check out Covers in the following days for more details on our talk with Walters.

 
An offshore bookmaker thought he had pinpointed an account linked to Billy Walters, the most revered sports bettor on the planet, and a man who’s every bit as feared in the online sportsbook world as he is in Nevada casinos.

A series of college basketball bets were placed on the account in question during a Wednesday interview, but later activity had the bookmaker doubting that the action was coming from someone linked to Walters.

“You just never know,” the bookmaker said.

That’s the guessing game the most powerful man in the betting market forces bookmakers everywhere to play. Per usual, Walters is winning that game.

Proving which bets come from a member of Walters’ network is virtually impossible, much like pinning him down for an interview.

Until now.
 
At around 5 p.m. Las Vegas time Thursday, my phone rang and the number came up on my caller ID as “Unknown Caller.” I picked up the receiver.

“David, this is Billy Walters,” said the voice on the other end.

I searched my throat for my voice and my brain for something intelligent to say. All I could think of was the entire sports betting world was counting on me, and I'd better not screw this up.

We talked for 45 minutes about the ins and outs of the sports betting industry, how it’s changed and where it’s headed.

“I’m 65 years old, and to me, what I do is as much fun as it was when I was 10 years old betting on sports,” said Walters. “I still have the same passion for it that I did then. And if I ever lose that, then I will probably quit, because it’s become 50 times more complicated over the years just to make a simple bet on a sporting event.”

(Editor's note: The original article, which was written and published before Walters responded to interview requests Thursday night, continues below. Read the first part of that exclusive interview here.).

I set out to write about Walters during Super Bowl week, knowing that I was a huge underdog to communicate with the living legend. One Vegas bookmaker compared my quest to “finding the Loch Ness monster.”

“You mean his PR team didn’t grant you an exclusive?” he kidded.

A 60 Minutes feature last January claimed to be the first time Walters “opened the doors to his gambling life in Las Vegas.” After 30 years beating the books and emerging as a Vegas icon, Walters doesn’t even have a Wikipedia page.


60 Minutes didn't respond to our request for comment on the Walters' story. Even multiple Vegas bookmakers - guys who always have something to say - declined to comment on this story.

Their silence is a sign of respect for the man known as sports betting’s “Keyser Soze,” a reference to the character played by Kevin Spacey in the Usual Suspects. It’s also a sign of how few facts they really know about Walters.

“Everything is attributed to Billy,” said Vegas professional handicapper and Covers Expert Ted Sevransky, “but no one knows if he really did any of it or not.”

'A quiet gentleman hero; a guardian angel and our champion'

Linda Smith, Associate Executive Director & Chief Development Officer for the non-profit organization Opportunity Village, was more than happy to talk about Walters, someone she referred to as a quiet, gentleman hero.

“When CBS 60 Minutes wanted to interview Bill, he insisted that Opportunity Village be included,” Smith told Covers.com “That coverage was such a blessing and the response continues to surprise us. Calls from families and agencies have come in from every corner of the country. We have new donors because Bill gave up the spotlight for Opportunity Village.

“We are so very fortunate to have a man like Bill Walters on our side,” she added. “He is a guardian angel and our champion.”

Opportunity Village, which serves people with intellectual disabilities, will honor Walters and his wife Susan at a black tie Camelot dinner on Nov. 3.

Walters' public involvement in Opportunity Village is an exception to his private lifestyle, though. In fact, his Howard Hughes-like reclusiveness is a big part of the Billy Walters story and also a key to his success.

When you’re on a 30-year winning streak, as Walters claims, bookmakers aren’t exactly lining up to take your action; so he rarely, if ever, bets in person. Instead, he uses a network of employees and investors - known as “beards” in the gambling world-- to flood the betting market with his money.

“Everyone always seems to know who Billy is betting, but very few people have ever seen him bet,” said Chris Andrews, book manager for Cal-Neva, who remembers taking bets from Walters during his time working at the Golden Nugget. “I’d say when you see these moves that get linked to Billy, half of them are probably wrong.”

A Kentucky native from humble roots, Walters is a master of disguise. His network places bets at any shop they can get down and know they’ll get paid. It’s the only way he can find enough outlets to handle the volume of his action.

“His plays are placed at every offshore shop, every pay-per-head shop and with every local that will pay up,” Tony Williams, general manager of the offshore sportsbook 5Dimes.com, told Covers. 5Dimes is known for taking big-player action and its early lines. “He's got tons of people playing offshore, who are always looking to open accounts to get his plays down. We make it very hard here to get down on his plays. As I say all the time, I’m running a business, not a petting zoo.”

According to Williams, members of Walters’ network must bet a certain amount on his plays and make sure he gets paid in order to stay in the loop.

BetOnline.com manager Dave Mason and his staff also play the guessing game of trying to figure out who Walters is betting.

“Although we’re not 100 percent sure, we think we take some action from his guys,” Mason told Covers.com in an email.

In reality, only a select few on either side of the betting window know who Walters’ money is on.

'Billy doesn't lose'

A veteran of the sports handicapping industry who goes by the professional name Chris Jordan was introduced to Walters through a mutual friend 12 years ago. Through that same mutual associate, Jordan ran with a group of friends who introduced him to tout Brandon Lang, the subject of the 2005 flop ... err ... movie, "Two for the Money," in 1994.

Jordan remains in touch with Walters, sporadically through email during football season. He voluntarily sends Walters information from his sports service, ChrisJordanSports.com.

“The dynamic that Billy Walters brings to the betting market, his ability to manipulate the line, there’s just never going to be anyone like him in our lifetime,” Jordan said in a phone interview from his Las Vegas office. “He is to sports betting what Michael Jordan was to the NBA.”

In 2001, Chris Jordan saw a bookmaker at the Palms casino adjust the line on the Alamo Bowl between Iowa and Texas Tech solely because the supervisor saw a customer believed to be linked to Walters enter the sportsbook. Though Chris Jordan can't remember what the sports book supervisor changed the line from and to, the play was on the underdog Hawkeyes, who ended up winning the game outright, 19-16.

“Books can guess all they want [about which accounts or bets are coming from Walters], but they’re never going to be sure,” explained Chris Jordan. “They could guess right, but would never know for certain. You never know what side of the game he’s on or what line he wants.”

Jordan estimates that Walters’ network was in the hundreds at its peak in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It’s believed to be much smaller today, but just as powerful and mysterious in the betting market.

“Back in the day, if you were going to go down a flow chart, there were probably hundreds of guys connected,” Jordan said. “I would say that once you got past the 30 or 40-person mark, those guys underneath that top tier didn’t even know who they were with.”

In the days leading up to the Super Bowl, I asked dozens of industry sources if they had heard any rumors of who Walters liked, the Patriots or Giants. No one had heard anything, which is strange in itself.

Usually before big games, rumors will surface about which side Walters is on. It happened before the BCS title game, when reports out of Birmingham, Ala., of all places, alleged that Walters was behind a big line move on Alabama. But, again, no one knew for sure, and no one was spreading rumors this week, at least as of Wednesday night.

It’s difficult to defend an enemy you can’t identify. And that’s what makes Walters so good – not that I could prove it.

“Las Vegas was built on losing, and Billy doesn’t lose,” said Jordan.

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Posted by stvnbck6
1 year ago

if you didnt do it someone there did, it was in all caps - it was down the next day, why did you want me for a friend - you guys put st. william up on a pedastal im here to tell you, couldnt be further from the truth.
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Posted by David_Payne
1 year ago

I often friend request people who comment on stories. I'd be happy to hear your take on BW. Contact me at your convenience.
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Posted by stvnbck6
1 year ago

hey hirschfielder it sounds like, you maybe a guy i can talk to about billy walters, that use to be senistive info about mike kent - would love to hear from you.
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Posted by David_Payne
1 year ago

Hey: I didn't delete any comments from this article. But would be happy to visit with your more. Feel free to email or PM me. I'm at dpurdum@sportsdirectinc.com.
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Posted by stvnbck6
1 year ago

well david, you wanted me as a friend on this site,i accepted, i hope when you contact me you are going to explain to me why my thread was pulled, about bw.
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Posted by jtoler
1 year ago

Since when did 5Dimes take big money early on lines? Thats news to me, must be before the lines ever hit the site, Ive tried to bet certain amounts when the lines had been out for at least 8 hours and even had to call and been told they couldnt take that amount, dude over there think he's a mob boss or something, he's a small fish but doesnt want to give off that vibe.
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Posted by AJCAcura
1 year ago

David, This was probably the best article I have ever read on this site. Thanks and keep up the good work. Tell Billy hi for me and if he needs someone to take over for him I'm available! How cool would that be lol
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Posted by David_Payne
1 year ago

Thanks, buddy ... it was fun to write and certainly a career highlight to interview BW. He should totally have an Apprentice-like reality show when he retires.
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Posted by sports_Network
1 year ago

Billy Walters, and Chris Jordan are real, unfortunately this article is not, although well written, and entertaining to read, the facts are distorted, and everything is related once again to his "60 minutes" interview which happened over a year ago in which Mr Walters was paid 225k to expose Wall Street fraud (60 Minutes 'cut' all but 30 seconds in regards to the Wall Street commentary, and gave Billy's sports wagering top priority) up until that point, NO ONE new anything in connection to the BW machine, or how it operates...especially Chris Jordan
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Posted by David_Payne
1 year ago

Which facts did you find distorted? BW read the story and did not point out any inaccuracies.
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Posted by Elias26
1 year ago

hello David and members in this site. I just wanna that was a great article you wrote. Wow you got to meet Billy himself and I am pretty that you have no intensions of bullshitting with us, I just wanna say they are many bettors or runners for Billy, every sunday morning b4 kickoff, now i am not starting a rumor but Billy is very tricky and of course he has been in this business for alot of yrs. My grandfather always said to me when someone is sucessful always take the time to listen. Now heres what happen when a casino dealer that I know says he met one of his bet runners in vegas of course someone who runs around and bet big like 100K is gotta be billys guys. heres a funny he says he doesnt know what billy likes he just place the bets for him, of course the runners told the casino dealer that he has no clue about sports betting. Wow, who is telling the truth Billy or the runner. Listen to the 60 minute interview he claims he has savants working for him. Now you tell me. is Billy the savant, I say he is just a genius and a legend who has been in this biz for awhile....
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Posted by David_Payne
1 year ago

Thanks, Elias ... the more and more I talk to people, I get the idea that BW's network is giant and has multiple layers. I'd guess that some guys think they're placing BW's bets, but really aren't. Interesting story about the dealer though. Appreciate you reading. Best of luck Sunday.
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Posted by Hoyasaxa
1 year ago

I ask one simple thing-I bet he places the most emphasis on Value-betting non-public teams, thinking ahead like this weekend when currently it seems like the Giants should win, but the game is played in the future-the value seems to be with NE-they want this more too...and they're banged up and their Secondary will suffer but if they get ahead by 10, they will be able to finish
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Posted by SlapJaw
1 year ago

I book some bw action....they bet under in super bowl
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Posted by DanTos8715
1 year ago

David It basically gives off a horrible vibe and image of your book. It tells every bettor that if you become good to great, that we don't want your action. We only want members who will lose or win just a little. Not a good way to do business. Sure I want fish at my table, but I'm not refusing to sit because there are great players at my table. Eventually if you want to be the best, you have to beat the best.
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Posted by David_Payne
1 year ago

I get what you're saying and, trust me, I'm a competitive SOB, but, right or wrong, I just don't think Tony cares about much other than the bottom line. Anyway, I respect your opinion and know that plenty of folks are in your corner. Good luck this weekend: Under 47.5 yards longest TD my big play.
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Posted by UsaSurfer
1 year ago

HAHA. Thank you very much Jon Campbell for the acknowledgement. I think we both know reading is not hard for me, but thanks for the childish insult. I find it comforting to know that Covers will never change. Anyway, since you deleted 1 of my 2 postings, I will try to repeat that message in gentler terms..... Anyone who read this article understands that it was written prior to the actual Walters interview. That being said, I find it very humorous that Billy Walter's name appears in the title yet the majority of the quotes come from Chris Jordan, who we all know is a complete fraud. Nothing said or written by Chris Jordan is worth an ounce of our attention, which is why it makes perfect sense for his words to appear on Covers.com.
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Posted by David_Payne
1 year ago

Really don't understand your gripe here; can only tell you I wrote this article, originally with a line that said "Billy Walters did not respond to interview requests." When he did respond, I thought the best plan was to update this story, while I worked on future, more thorough pieces from the interview. If you have an idea on how I should have handled, please share. Thanks for reading. Good luck on the Super Bowl.
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Posted by Jon_Campbell
1 year ago

Hey UsaSurfer - I know reading is hard work for you, but as we posted in the article, this story was published prior to Purdum doing the interview with Walters. Click on the other link at the top of the page to see more in-depth stuff from the interview if you want more quotes.
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Posted by UsaSurfer
1 year ago

Great quote from another poster: "it's crazy that you talked to Billy Walters for 45 minutes and you basically have no quotes from him, only quotes from other people about him, and have nothing of substance. anybody could have written this article without talking to Billy Walters for 45 minutes. I'm calling bull shit. "
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Posted by Bobcat36
1 year ago

Not much "meat" in this article.
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Posted by DanTos8715
1 year ago

Because David, this is how business is done “Smart guys want me to bet with them. They want me to bet with them directly, because they want to know what I’m betting on. They take the business and adjust their business accordingly. They factor that in and it ends up becoming a positive relationship for them.” They don't just try to weed out successful members, limiting only players who plan on losing. It's a joke, and cowardly.
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Posted by David_Payne
1 year ago

I think "cowardly" is a little strong. If you have a choice, who wouldn't choose the weaker opponent? Don't you try to pick out the fish at the card table?
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Posted by stvnbck6
1 year ago

Wow, now my blogs are being pulled from this article,if im so full of it, tell em that jewboy, dr.Z and ABC are still looking for there $$$ from 2009
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Posted by 2169
1 year ago

good read, ty
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Posted by David_Payne
1 year ago

"Before you start calling people stupid, re-read the quote. "Vegas was built on losing," as in bettors losing. "