Interesting thread...although a topic discussed before...
Let's start with the obvious: of course racial profiling works. How can't it? The entire basis is premised on stopping individuals entirely based on characteristics of those engaging in criminal activity. Obviously, then, those very characteristics become means of having reasonable suspicion.
But the problem herein is it presumes that we are a results driven society. We aren't? How do we know? Well, the framers knew. Why else for the 4th and 5th Amendments which provide protections solely for the individual. Keep in mind that neither was directly derivative from then existing British law. And we have the current criminal standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Lessen the standard and surely, more guilty go to prison. Still there is more...the exclusionary rule, the right to remain silent, appeal processes, etc.
Based upon this, it does appear that racial profiling does run counterintuitive to our system's reluctance to become results oriented.
But there is more....if we think about it, racial profiling works in far more areas that what immediately comes to mind. Why not stop every driver under the age of 30 anytime after 10 P.M. Statistics would say that these drivers would be more likely to be under the influence.
And if you are fighting the use of drugs, why not stop every college age kid. Statistics tell us the same as above.
People complain about the TSA, but they are equally engaging in profiling...i.e. of every flight passenger. You see, profiling does not need to be based on race to be effective...it can be effective based on any characteristic of the individual.
Finally, Israel was mentioned. As someone who has flown in Israel, there is no comparison. Flying there is an event. It is all day. Your vehicle is searched upon entry to the airport, you are searched upon entry into the doors, then go through two more security gates. It does not matter if you are black, white, dark, Arab, American, etc. That is true profiling. And it is effective.
But then again, Israel is also a results driven society. For us to engage fully in such actions would mean we would change and give up many of our current freedoms. Is that what we want?
Interesting thread...although a topic discussed before...
Let's start with the obvious: of course racial profiling works. How can't it? The entire basis is premised on stopping individuals entirely based on characteristics of those engaging in criminal activity. Obviously, then, those very characteristics become means of having reasonable suspicion.
But the problem herein is it presumes that we are a results driven society. We aren't? How do we know? Well, the framers knew. Why else for the 4th and 5th Amendments which provide protections solely for the individual. Keep in mind that neither was directly derivative from then existing British law. And we have the current criminal standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Lessen the standard and surely, more guilty go to prison. Still there is more...the exclusionary rule, the right to remain silent, appeal processes, etc.
Based upon this, it does appear that racial profiling does run counterintuitive to our system's reluctance to become results oriented.
But there is more....if we think about it, racial profiling works in far more areas that what immediately comes to mind. Why not stop every driver under the age of 30 anytime after 10 P.M. Statistics would say that these drivers would be more likely to be under the influence.
And if you are fighting the use of drugs, why not stop every college age kid. Statistics tell us the same as above.
People complain about the TSA, but they are equally engaging in profiling...i.e. of every flight passenger. You see, profiling does not need to be based on race to be effective...it can be effective based on any characteristic of the individual.
Finally, Israel was mentioned. As someone who has flown in Israel, there is no comparison. Flying there is an event. It is all day. Your vehicle is searched upon entry to the airport, you are searched upon entry into the doors, then go through two more security gates. It does not matter if you are black, white, dark, Arab, American, etc. That is true profiling. And it is effective.
But then again, Israel is also a results driven society. For us to engage fully in such actions would mean we would change and give up many of our current freedoms. Is that what we want?
Conceptually, there is no difference between the Jets game and the airport (you choose to do both). Even if the airport were run by private security, the would engage in similar security measures for liability reasons.
Conceptually, there is no difference between the Jets game and the airport (you choose to do both). Even if the airport were run by private security, the would engage in similar security measures for liability reasons.
Conceptually, there is no difference between the Jets game and the airport (you choose to do both). Even if the airport were run by private security, the would engage in similar security measures for liability reasons.
Conceptually, there is no difference between the Jets game and the airport (you choose to do both). Even if the airport were run by private security, the would engage in similar security measures for liability reasons.
Refer back to what I said about Israel. One of the reasons that Israel changed security procedures is because terrorists got wise to profiling and sent in people that did not 'fit the profile.'
If we want to truly be safe, we search every person in the same way. If we want to really be free, we don't.
Refer back to what I said about Israel. One of the reasons that Israel changed security procedures is because terrorists got wise to profiling and sent in people that did not 'fit the profile.'
If we want to truly be safe, we search every person in the same way. If we want to really be free, we don't.
Conceptually, there is no difference between the Jets game and the airport (you choose to do both). Even if the airport were run by private security, the would engage in similar security measures for liability reasons.
Conceptually, there is no difference between the Jets game and the airport (you choose to do both). Even if the airport were run by private security, the would engage in similar security measures for liability reasons.
Actually not true. You would have recourse in Tort, with the caveat of the defense of assumption of the risk.
Not unlike the argument against the violation by engaging in the act of flying....
Actually not true. You would have recourse in Tort, with the caveat of the defense of assumption of the risk.
Not unlike the argument against the violation by engaging in the act of flying....
They take more days off than most of us. You just picked the wrong day.
They take more days off than most of us. You just picked the wrong day.
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