The first post is stated in a level tone of "voice" and is supported by research. The second post is full of invective and is one man's opinion unsupported by any shred of evidence.
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The first post is stated in a level tone of "voice" and is supported by research. The second post is full of invective and is one man's opinion unsupported by any shred of evidence.
i don't understand. what law has ever been created that "criminals obey". or to put it another way, if we only create laws that "criminals obey" or that eradicates the behavior we are trying to address, what we laws would we have, besides abortion laws of course?
2. Minimum wage can be increased infinitely without causing harm to economic structure.
- which "liberal" has advocated for infinite increases in the minimum wage?
3. Illegal immigrants don't take away jobs from citizens.
illegal immigrants don't take jobs from anyone. they are offered jobs by employers that cause legal citizens to not be able to accept those jobs.
4. Womens rights come before newborn babies in all cases.
5. Government should be involved in all aspects of citizens lives.
- like dictating pregnant women's reproductive decisions? like dictating which consenting adults can marry each other? - also, in what way does a woman's right ever negate that of a baby's. a fetus, sure, if the fetus had legal rights, but a baby?
6. Government is competent to do anything without limits.
- like dictate pregnant women's reproductive choices, determine which consenting adults can get married, run a criminal justice system so perfectly that it's ok to imposes the death penalty on people, eradicate terrorism and get involved in conflicts all over the world spreading "freedom" and "democracy" and so on?
i'll stop there since it kind of goes off the rails after #6 and just defer to dogbite's post #3.
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1.Criminals obey gun laws.
i don't understand. what law has ever been created that "criminals obey". or to put it another way, if we only create laws that "criminals obey" or that eradicates the behavior we are trying to address, what we laws would we have, besides abortion laws of course?
2. Minimum wage can be increased infinitely without causing harm to economic structure.
- which "liberal" has advocated for infinite increases in the minimum wage?
3. Illegal immigrants don't take away jobs from citizens.
illegal immigrants don't take jobs from anyone. they are offered jobs by employers that cause legal citizens to not be able to accept those jobs.
4. Womens rights come before newborn babies in all cases.
5. Government should be involved in all aspects of citizens lives.
- like dictating pregnant women's reproductive decisions? like dictating which consenting adults can marry each other? - also, in what way does a woman's right ever negate that of a baby's. a fetus, sure, if the fetus had legal rights, but a baby?
6. Government is competent to do anything without limits.
- like dictate pregnant women's reproductive choices, determine which consenting adults can get married, run a criminal justice system so perfectly that it's ok to imposes the death penalty on people, eradicate terrorism and get involved in conflicts all over the world spreading "freedom" and "democracy" and so on?
i'll stop there since it kind of goes off the rails after #6 and just defer to dogbite's post #3.
1. Of course criminals don't obey laws. That's what makes it so trivial that the left continues to come up with new gun laws that only effect law abiding citizens. Furthermore, as I have said before, in any other aspect of life...if the statistics show that less than one percent of US guns are involved in a gun murder annually...scientifically that doesn't constitute a problem to be dealt with.
2.Ok so by the letter of my statement that seems to be true. By calling for a doubling of the min wage shows a blatant disregard for any effect on economic structure.
3. Again, you countered with a play on words just like Hilary likes to do. Illegal Immigrants don't TAKE jobs away from citizens by force. They occupy jobs that citizens can do and because libs want those votes for their politicians they choose to look the other way or even downright pander to them.
4. Double standard here. If a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer can be charged with 2 murders. Yet for some reason the woman can choose to murder that same fetus without punishment if she choses. The fetus/baby has NO rights.
5. I was referring to things like school lunch and soft drinks. The government should play a limited role in deciding what parents feed their children. Libs feel like the role should be without limit.
6.EPA is another aspect of governments complete ineptitude. Ask Colorado how inept the EPA is. Matter of fact, there are few aspects where the government is actually competent enough to do an adequate job.
7.You chose not to answer the rest because you know these are undisputable.
You would like to see Hilary back in office despite what her husband did.
Most if not all libs believe min wage jobs are designed to support families.
Ted Kennedy is a perfect example of how libs are willing to overlook a politicians past and continue supporting a bad person in politics. Hilary's support is par for the course.
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1. Of course criminals don't obey laws. That's what makes it so trivial that the left continues to come up with new gun laws that only effect law abiding citizens. Furthermore, as I have said before, in any other aspect of life...if the statistics show that less than one percent of US guns are involved in a gun murder annually...scientifically that doesn't constitute a problem to be dealt with.
2.Ok so by the letter of my statement that seems to be true. By calling for a doubling of the min wage shows a blatant disregard for any effect on economic structure.
3. Again, you countered with a play on words just like Hilary likes to do. Illegal Immigrants don't TAKE jobs away from citizens by force. They occupy jobs that citizens can do and because libs want those votes for their politicians they choose to look the other way or even downright pander to them.
4. Double standard here. If a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer can be charged with 2 murders. Yet for some reason the woman can choose to murder that same fetus without punishment if she choses. The fetus/baby has NO rights.
5. I was referring to things like school lunch and soft drinks. The government should play a limited role in deciding what parents feed their children. Libs feel like the role should be without limit.
6.EPA is another aspect of governments complete ineptitude. Ask Colorado how inept the EPA is. Matter of fact, there are few aspects where the government is actually competent enough to do an adequate job.
7.You chose not to answer the rest because you know these are undisputable.
You would like to see Hilary back in office despite what her husband did.
Most if not all libs believe min wage jobs are designed to support families.
Ted Kennedy is a perfect example of how libs are willing to overlook a politicians past and continue supporting a bad person in politics. Hilary's support is par for the course.
1. why is it trivial to pass gun laws because criminals don't obey them but it's not trivial to pass other laws that criminals won't obey?
2. no, it's not true. the word "infinite" has a particular meaning. is there any "liberal" who has called for "infinite" increases in minimum wage?
3. i did counter with a play on words, but that's because if your problem is with illegal immigrants holding jobs that citizens and legal immigrants should have, i'd start with the people offering them the jobs. they can't take the job if it isn't offered to them in the first place.
4. where is the woman's right to choose what happens inside her own body issue when someone murders a pregnant woman? if you can't understand that simple issue, you'll never understand why the law is the way it is here and other non-sharia places.
5. ok, i agree with that, now that you've narrowed it down.
6. don't know much about the epa, although i used to work for a complete friggin nutcase DA (before i quit shortly after she took over) and she was only in the job for about a year before she was appointed to head the regional epa office. so, i'm not confident the epa can accomplish anything productive.
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1. why is it trivial to pass gun laws because criminals don't obey them but it's not trivial to pass other laws that criminals won't obey?
2. no, it's not true. the word "infinite" has a particular meaning. is there any "liberal" who has called for "infinite" increases in minimum wage?
3. i did counter with a play on words, but that's because if your problem is with illegal immigrants holding jobs that citizens and legal immigrants should have, i'd start with the people offering them the jobs. they can't take the job if it isn't offered to them in the first place.
4. where is the woman's right to choose what happens inside her own body issue when someone murders a pregnant woman? if you can't understand that simple issue, you'll never understand why the law is the way it is here and other non-sharia places.
5. ok, i agree with that, now that you've narrowed it down.
6. don't know much about the epa, although i used to work for a complete friggin nutcase DA (before i quit shortly after she took over) and she was only in the job for about a year before she was appointed to head the regional epa office. so, i'm not confident the epa can accomplish anything productive.
2. The fact that most libs and some R's think it's a good idea to double the min wage shows blatant ignorance to sound economic principles. I backed off of the word "infinite" already.
4. Yes, I believe the woman should have a choice what happens to her own body....before conception. Excluding cases of rape and incest...she has made her choice already. Birth control is readily available and not using such is reckless and irresponsible. I believe, after conception is too late and the choice you speak of was disregarded....Especially when a beating heart is involved.
So you could say that I'm both pro choice and pro life. Pro choice before conception and pro life afterwards.
3. It's a shame that liberals wish to exploit illegal immigrants for their potential votes and not that they really care about their well being.
6. It's quite a shame that government cannot perform many functions without waste and ineptitude. One of the reasons why conservatives believe in small government.
I wish you would address what it is about the conscience of a lib that allows a person like Hilary AND Bill to still have political aspirations. Once a conservative shows out like those two have they would be done for good. Please help me understand.
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2. The fact that most libs and some R's think it's a good idea to double the min wage shows blatant ignorance to sound economic principles. I backed off of the word "infinite" already.
4. Yes, I believe the woman should have a choice what happens to her own body....before conception. Excluding cases of rape and incest...she has made her choice already. Birth control is readily available and not using such is reckless and irresponsible. I believe, after conception is too late and the choice you speak of was disregarded....Especially when a beating heart is involved.
So you could say that I'm both pro choice and pro life. Pro choice before conception and pro life afterwards.
3. It's a shame that liberals wish to exploit illegal immigrants for their potential votes and not that they really care about their well being.
6. It's quite a shame that government cannot perform many functions without waste and ineptitude. One of the reasons why conservatives believe in small government.
I wish you would address what it is about the conscience of a lib that allows a person like Hilary AND Bill to still have political aspirations. Once a conservative shows out like those two have they would be done for good. Please help me understand.
you don't have much in the way of specifics in 9-11 up there about hillary. but, if you are looking for someone to talk about what a great person hillary is, that's not going to be me.
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you don't have much in the way of specifics in 9-11 up there about hillary. but, if you are looking for someone to talk about what a great person hillary is, that's not going to be me.
you don't have much in the way of specifics in 9-11 up there about hillary. but, if you are looking for someone to talk about what a great person hillaryis, that's not going to be me.
Where is Don Fredo when you need him?
Fredo Corleone: I'm your older brother, Mike, and I was stepped over!
Fredo Corleone: It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'msmart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I wantrespect!
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
you don't have much in the way of specifics in 9-11 up there about hillary. but, if you are looking for someone to talk about what a great person hillaryis, that's not going to be me.
Where is Don Fredo when you need him?
Fredo Corleone: I'm your older brother, Mike, and I was stepped over!
2. The fact that most libs and some R's think it's a good idea to double the min wage shows blatant ignorance to sound economic principles. I backed off of the word "infinite" already.
4. Yes, I believe the woman should have a choice what happens to her own body....before conception. Excluding cases of rape and incest...she has made her choice already. Birth control is readily available and not using such is reckless and irresponsible. I believe, after conception is too late and the choice you speak of was disregarded....Especially when a beating heart is involved.
So you could say that I'm both pro choice and pro life. Pro choice before conception and pro life afterwards.
3. It's a shame that liberals wish to exploit illegal immigrants for their potential votes and not that they really care about their well being.
6. It's quite a shame that government cannot perform many functions without waste and ineptitude. One of the reasons why conservatives believe in small government.
I wish you would address what it is about the conscience of a lib that allows a person like Hilary AND Bill to still have political aspirations. Once a conservative shows out like those two have they would be done for good. Please help me understand.
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6. Conservatives "say" they believe in small government. But recent history contradicts that talking point. Take a look at government spending during George W's presidency for proof. Bush 43 spent like a drunken sailor. Tax cuts for the rich and perpetual war are unsustainable economically. But that's what conservatives deliver ...
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2. The fact that most libs and some R's think it's a good idea to double the min wage shows blatant ignorance to sound economic principles. I backed off of the word "infinite" already.
4. Yes, I believe the woman should have a choice what happens to her own body....before conception. Excluding cases of rape and incest...she has made her choice already. Birth control is readily available and not using such is reckless and irresponsible. I believe, after conception is too late and the choice you speak of was disregarded....Especially when a beating heart is involved.
So you could say that I'm both pro choice and pro life. Pro choice before conception and pro life afterwards.
3. It's a shame that liberals wish to exploit illegal immigrants for their potential votes and not that they really care about their well being.
6. It's quite a shame that government cannot perform many functions without waste and ineptitude. One of the reasons why conservatives believe in small government.
I wish you would address what it is about the conscience of a lib that allows a person like Hilary AND Bill to still have political aspirations. Once a conservative shows out like those two have they would be done for good. Please help me understand.
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6. Conservatives "say" they believe in small government. But recent history contradicts that talking point. Take a look at government spending during George W's presidency for proof. Bush 43 spent like a drunken sailor. Tax cuts for the rich and perpetual war are unsustainable economically. But that's what conservatives deliver ...
Dogbitewilliams should we start calling you Cliff Claven?
Bowslit and sportsfan seem to be a fierce competition for that title. And everytime it looks like one of them is going to be crown the winner, the other goes out of their way to make a compelling case for the title.
Fascinating race with their undying efforts to claim that label
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Quote Originally Posted by chilitokid:
Dogbitewilliams should we start calling you Cliff Claven?
Bowslit and sportsfan seem to be a fierce competition for that title. And everytime it looks like one of them is going to be crown the winner, the other goes out of their way to make a compelling case for the title.
Fascinating race with their undying efforts to claim that label
Emperor O'bama is bad.. Is there really anything more that needs to be said ? ...seriously ? An abject failure and rejection of this country's principles (i.e. constitution ) should be enough to get this man fired , before his term expires.
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Emperor O'bama is bad.. Is there really anything more that needs to be said ? ...seriously ? An abject failure and rejection of this country's principles (i.e. constitution ) should be enough to get this man fired , before his term expires.
Emperor O'bama is bad.. Is there really anything more that needs to be said ? ...seriously ? An abject failure and rejection of this country's principles (i.e. constitution ) should be enough to get this man fired , before his term expires.
Do you have examples of how Obama rejected the constitution enough to get himself fired?
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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:
Emperor O'bama is bad.. Is there really anything more that needs to be said ? ...seriously ? An abject failure and rejection of this country's principles (i.e. constitution ) should be enough to get this man fired , before his term expires.
Do you have examples of how Obama rejected the constitution enough to get himself fired?
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