You people calling for Auburn to be a good fade are killing me.
The purpose of a good fade is to play against an overvalued team by the public.
The loss of letterman and starters for the tigers is no secret, in fact just about all pre-season publications have them ranked to finish in the middle towards the bottom of the SEC west.
Just thought I'd comment on this again now that I saw The Sporting News have Auburn #18 in their preseason poll. Does that not scream "overvalued" to you? Of course, we'll have to see what the lines are like, but don't act like everybody thinks Auburn will tank.
You people calling for Auburn to be a good fade are killing me.
The purpose of a good fade is to play against an overvalued team by the public.
The loss of letterman and starters for the tigers is no secret, in fact just about all pre-season publications have them ranked to finish in the middle towards the bottom of the SEC west.
Just thought I'd comment on this again now that I saw The Sporting News have Auburn #18 in their preseason poll. Does that not scream "overvalued" to you? Of course, we'll have to see what the lines are like, but don't act like everybody thinks Auburn will tank.
Just thought I'd comment on this again now that I saw The Sporting News have Auburn #18 in their preseason poll. Does that not scream "overvalued" to you? Of course, we'll have to see what the lines are like, but don't act like everybody thinks Auburn will tank.
in evaluating Auburn....if you think the program has turned the corner (completely)....well then they should be fine > not a team to fade at all....
however....if you believe last season was more of a Cam one year deal (like me kinda)....then they are definitely a team to look to play against
Humble when ambitious - gracious when successful - resilient when you fail.
Just thought I'd comment on this again now that I saw The Sporting News have Auburn #18 in their preseason poll. Does that not scream "overvalued" to you? Of course, we'll have to see what the lines are like, but don't act like everybody thinks Auburn will tank.
in evaluating Auburn....if you think the program has turned the corner (completely)....well then they should be fine > not a team to fade at all....
however....if you believe last season was more of a Cam one year deal (like me kinda)....then they are definitely a team to look to play against
maybe should reconsider....fading talented teams...off disappointing years......> (Okie St maybe good idea)
way wrong with Ponies....one of JJ's best teams....can run.....and play D....lines on both sides very strong.....also very good recruiting class (#50 or so) ....may not translate to SU wins....but spread wise definitely a team to look to play on
Humble when ambitious - gracious when successful - resilient when you fail.
maybe should reconsider....fading talented teams...off disappointing years......> (Okie St maybe good idea)
way wrong with Ponies....one of JJ's best teams....can run.....and play D....lines on both sides very strong.....also very good recruiting class (#50 or so) ....may not translate to SU wins....but spread wise definitely a team to look to play on
Good Lord.......whoever is fading Oklahoma must be mixing morphine and peyote......OU will again annihiliate FSU only this time in Tallahassee....I'll give anybody 3TDs and Texas at the Cotton Bowl....As for the rest of the conference there won't be much competition.....
Landry Jones will make the NY trip during Heisman week.....and he could win it if Andrew Luck gets hurt......but that's the only way....
Good Lord.......whoever is fading Oklahoma must be mixing morphine and peyote......OU will again annihiliate FSU only this time in Tallahassee....I'll give anybody 3TDs and Texas at the Cotton Bowl....As for the rest of the conference there won't be much competition.....
Landry Jones will make the NY trip during Heisman week.....and he could win it if Andrew Luck gets hurt......but that's the only way....
Good Lord.......whoever is fading Oklahoma must be mixing morphine and peyote......OU will again annihiliate FSU only this time in Tallahassee....I'll give anybody 3TDs and Texas at the Cotton Bowl....As for the rest of the conference there won't be much competition.....
OU a mere 4-5 in true road games the last 2 years and I'm sure the linemakers are on crack by only having OU lay 2 pts..
Good Lord.......whoever is fading Oklahoma must be mixing morphine and peyote......OU will again annihiliate FSU only this time in Tallahassee....I'll give anybody 3TDs and Texas at the Cotton Bowl....As for the rest of the conference there won't be much competition.....
OU a mere 4-5 in true road games the last 2 years and I'm sure the linemakers are on crack by only having OU lay 2 pts..
Since we're so into history and trends let's contemplate this history and these trends for a moment:
FSU is 1-5 against OU with their lone win happening in 1965 and losing in 76, 80 Orange Bowl, 81 Orange Bowl, 2001 Orange Bowl and 2010.
The following describes only one of these teams as "dismal"......take a wild guess.
Since winning the 2001Orange Bowl Oklahoma has averaged almost 11 wins per season, played for the national title 3 times, won the Big 12 conference title 5 times, and have made 3 BCS bowl game appearances. Lack of respect is no longer an issue for the Sooners since Bob Stoops has kept the Oklahoma in the national championship mix more years than not, and distanced the program from the mediocrity of the previous decade.
On the other hand, since losing that Orange Bowl game the Seminoles have not finished ranked in the top 10, much less contended for the national championship. FSU has averaged just over 7 wins per season (7.6) since the 2005 season, our average won/loss record since the 2001 OB loss to the Sooners is 8-5, this after finishing among the top four teams in the AP poll for 13 straight seasons before that Orange Bowl game in which we entered that game as a double-digit favorite. Also, FSU has only finished once ranked in the top 25 (#21 in 2008) in the past 4 years, and with the highest rank of #11to finish the 2003 season.
So how far has Florida State fallen since that January 3, 2001 loss to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl? It doesn't took too pretty:
Have played in 3 BCS bowl games during past nine years and lost all 3, the last in 2005
Only 1 10-win seasons (2003)
The longest win streak is 6 in 2004
The highest AP final ranking is 11th in 2003
FSU has lost 42 games in the past nine seasons
Three 7-6 records during the past four years
Versus Top 10 teams, a dismal 6-11 W-L record
Versus Top 25 teams, a miserable 13-19 W-L record
THAT ENOUGH HISTORY AND TRENDS FOR YOU THERE CHIEF?
Since we're so into history and trends let's contemplate this history and these trends for a moment:
FSU is 1-5 against OU with their lone win happening in 1965 and losing in 76, 80 Orange Bowl, 81 Orange Bowl, 2001 Orange Bowl and 2010.
The following describes only one of these teams as "dismal"......take a wild guess.
Since winning the 2001Orange Bowl Oklahoma has averaged almost 11 wins per season, played for the national title 3 times, won the Big 12 conference title 5 times, and have made 3 BCS bowl game appearances. Lack of respect is no longer an issue for the Sooners since Bob Stoops has kept the Oklahoma in the national championship mix more years than not, and distanced the program from the mediocrity of the previous decade.
On the other hand, since losing that Orange Bowl game the Seminoles have not finished ranked in the top 10, much less contended for the national championship. FSU has averaged just over 7 wins per season (7.6) since the 2005 season, our average won/loss record since the 2001 OB loss to the Sooners is 8-5, this after finishing among the top four teams in the AP poll for 13 straight seasons before that Orange Bowl game in which we entered that game as a double-digit favorite. Also, FSU has only finished once ranked in the top 25 (#21 in 2008) in the past 4 years, and with the highest rank of #11to finish the 2003 season.
So how far has Florida State fallen since that January 3, 2001 loss to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl? It doesn't took too pretty:
Have played in 3 BCS bowl games during past nine years and lost all 3, the last in 2005
Only 1 10-win seasons (2003)
The longest win streak is 6 in 2004
The highest AP final ranking is 11th in 2003
FSU has lost 42 games in the past nine seasons
Three 7-6 records during the past four years
Versus Top 10 teams, a dismal 6-11 W-L record
Versus Top 25 teams, a miserable 13-19 W-L record
THAT ENOUGH HISTORY AND TRENDS FOR YOU THERE CHIEF?
You people calling for Auburn to be a good fade are killing me.
The purpose of a good fade is to play against an overvalued team by the public.
The loss of letterman and starters for the tigers is no secret, in fact just about all pre-season publications have them ranked to finish in the middle towards the bottom of the SEC west.
As such early lines have shown them to be underdogs in all but about 3 or 4 games.
If anything, they will end up being a value play in my opinion.
90% of the Covers community doesn't understand value when it comes to sports wagering, so, although this is a good post, I am afraid it will fall on deaf ears.
You people calling for Auburn to be a good fade are killing me.
The purpose of a good fade is to play against an overvalued team by the public.
The loss of letterman and starters for the tigers is no secret, in fact just about all pre-season publications have them ranked to finish in the middle towards the bottom of the SEC west.
As such early lines have shown them to be underdogs in all but about 3 or 4 games.
If anything, they will end up being a value play in my opinion.
90% of the Covers community doesn't understand value when it comes to sports wagering, so, although this is a good post, I am afraid it will fall on deaf ears.
Since we're so into history and trends let's contemplate this history and these trends for a moment:
FSU is 1-5 against OU with their lone win happening in 1965 and losing in 76, 80 Orange Bowl, 81 Orange Bowl, 2001 Orange Bowl and 2010.
The following describes only one of these teams as "dismal"......take a wild guess.
Since winning the 2001Orange Bowl Oklahoma has averaged almost 11 wins per season, played for the national title 3 times, won the Big 12 conference title 5 times, and have made 3 BCS bowl game appearances. Lack of respect is no longer an issue for the Sooners since Bob Stoops has kept the Oklahoma in the national championship mix more years than not, and distanced the program from the mediocrity of the previous decade.
On the other hand, since losing that Orange Bowl game the Seminoles have not finished ranked in the top 10, much less contended for the national championship. FSU has averaged just over 7 wins per season (7.6) since the 2005 season, our average won/loss record since the 2001 OB loss to the Sooners is 8-5, this after finishing among the top four teams in the AP poll for 13 straight seasons before that Orange Bowl game in which we entered that game as a double-digit favorite. Also, FSU has only finished once ranked in the top 25 (#21 in 2008) in the past 4 years, and with the highest rank of #11to finish the 2003 season.
So how far has Florida State fallen since that January 3, 2001 loss to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl? It doesn't took too pretty:
Have played in 3 BCS bowl games during past nine years and lost all 3, the last in 2005
Only 1 10-win seasons (2003)
The longest win streak is 6 in 2004
The highest AP final ranking is 11th in 2003
FSU has lost 42 games in the past nine seasons
Three 7-6 records during the past four years
Versus Top 10 teams, a dismal 6-11 W-L record
Versus Top 25 teams, a miserable 13-19 W-L record
THAT ENOUGH HISTORY AND TRENDS FOR YOU THERE CHIEF?
Good Point JoeWashington....but in time, Fisher will take Florida State to the top, but not this year.
Since we're so into history and trends let's contemplate this history and these trends for a moment:
FSU is 1-5 against OU with their lone win happening in 1965 and losing in 76, 80 Orange Bowl, 81 Orange Bowl, 2001 Orange Bowl and 2010.
The following describes only one of these teams as "dismal"......take a wild guess.
Since winning the 2001Orange Bowl Oklahoma has averaged almost 11 wins per season, played for the national title 3 times, won the Big 12 conference title 5 times, and have made 3 BCS bowl game appearances. Lack of respect is no longer an issue for the Sooners since Bob Stoops has kept the Oklahoma in the national championship mix more years than not, and distanced the program from the mediocrity of the previous decade.
On the other hand, since losing that Orange Bowl game the Seminoles have not finished ranked in the top 10, much less contended for the national championship. FSU has averaged just over 7 wins per season (7.6) since the 2005 season, our average won/loss record since the 2001 OB loss to the Sooners is 8-5, this after finishing among the top four teams in the AP poll for 13 straight seasons before that Orange Bowl game in which we entered that game as a double-digit favorite. Also, FSU has only finished once ranked in the top 25 (#21 in 2008) in the past 4 years, and with the highest rank of #11to finish the 2003 season.
So how far has Florida State fallen since that January 3, 2001 loss to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl? It doesn't took too pretty:
Have played in 3 BCS bowl games during past nine years and lost all 3, the last in 2005
Only 1 10-win seasons (2003)
The longest win streak is 6 in 2004
The highest AP final ranking is 11th in 2003
FSU has lost 42 games in the past nine seasons
Three 7-6 records during the past four years
Versus Top 10 teams, a dismal 6-11 W-L record
Versus Top 25 teams, a miserable 13-19 W-L record
THAT ENOUGH HISTORY AND TRENDS FOR YOU THERE CHIEF?
Good Point JoeWashington....but in time, Fisher will take Florida State to the top, but not this year.
FSU being competitive again finally is one thing.....getting to the top is quite another......Hell even Auburn finally got there one time and they did that with a burgler/embezzler at QB....I can count on one hand's fingers how many times FSU has finished in the top 5.....I'd need a team of fingers to count the number of times OU's done it......Winning it all is not easy.....Let's see FSU dominate the ACC first......There's not even a consensus on that maybe happening this year.
FSU being competitive again finally is one thing.....getting to the top is quite another......Hell even Auburn finally got there one time and they did that with a burgler/embezzler at QB....I can count on one hand's fingers how many times FSU has finished in the top 5.....I'd need a team of fingers to count the number of times OU's done it......Winning it all is not easy.....Let's see FSU dominate the ACC first......There's not even a consensus on that maybe happening this year.
FSU being competitive again finally is one thing.....getting to the top is quite another......Hell even Auburn finally got there one time and they did that with a burgler/embezzler at QB....I can count on one hand's fingers how many times FSU has finished in the top 5.....I'd need a team of fingers to count the number of times OU's done it......Winning it all is not easy.....Let's see FSU dominate the ACC first......There's not even a consensus on that maybe happening this year.
FSU doesn't have to be in the top 5 to knock off a team that has struggled vs. decent competition on the road the last couple of years..
FSU being competitive again finally is one thing.....getting to the top is quite another......Hell even Auburn finally got there one time and they did that with a burgler/embezzler at QB....I can count on one hand's fingers how many times FSU has finished in the top 5.....I'd need a team of fingers to count the number of times OU's done it......Winning it all is not easy.....Let's see FSU dominate the ACC first......There's not even a consensus on that maybe happening this year.
FSU doesn't have to be in the top 5 to knock off a team that has struggled vs. decent competition on the road the last couple of years..
FSU being competitive again finally is one thing.....getting to the top is quite another......Hell even Auburn finally got there one time and they did that with a burgler/embezzler at QB....I can count on one hand's fingers how many times FSU has finished in the top 5.....I'd need a team of fingers to count the number of times OU's done it......Winning it all is not easy.....Let's see FSU dominate the ACC first......There's not even a consensus on that maybe happening this year.
burgler/embezzler.....
Winning the ACC is the second goal Jimbo Fisher has on his list...but you're right about this year, but Auburn proved never say never.
FSU being competitive again finally is one thing.....getting to the top is quite another......Hell even Auburn finally got there one time and they did that with a burgler/embezzler at QB....I can count on one hand's fingers how many times FSU has finished in the top 5.....I'd need a team of fingers to count the number of times OU's done it......Winning it all is not easy.....Let's see FSU dominate the ACC first......There's not even a consensus on that maybe happening this year.
burgler/embezzler.....
Winning the ACC is the second goal Jimbo Fisher has on his list...but you're right about this year, but Auburn proved never say never.
You people calling for Auburn to be a good fade are killing me.
The purpose of a good fade is to play against an overvalued team by the public.
The loss of letterman and starters for the tigers is no secret, in fact just about all pre-season publications have them ranked to finish in the middle towards the bottom of the SEC west.
As such early lines have shown them to be underdogs in all but about 3 or 4 games.
If anything, they will end up being a value play in my opinion.
I agree. If anything I think Auburn will be undervalued. Auburn does have talent on their roster.
I think media darling Boise State will probably lose 4 games this season now that they have largely jettison their high school schedule. As I have been saying for years, Boise is not a top 10 team, has never been a top 10 team, and never will be a top 10 team unless they can consistently start pulling recruiting classes that rank 30 or better nationally like TCU does.
Boise will lose to Georgia (probably by 2-3 TDs at least), at San Diego State, and probably TCU at home. Additionally there are 4 other games they could potentially lose: Tulsa, Nevada, Air Force & Fresno State. They'll probably lose one of those. The one thing Boise has going for them is that they play most of their tough games at home where we all know the rarely lose
You people calling for Auburn to be a good fade are killing me.
The purpose of a good fade is to play against an overvalued team by the public.
The loss of letterman and starters for the tigers is no secret, in fact just about all pre-season publications have them ranked to finish in the middle towards the bottom of the SEC west.
As such early lines have shown them to be underdogs in all but about 3 or 4 games.
If anything, they will end up being a value play in my opinion.
I agree. If anything I think Auburn will be undervalued. Auburn does have talent on their roster.
I think media darling Boise State will probably lose 4 games this season now that they have largely jettison their high school schedule. As I have been saying for years, Boise is not a top 10 team, has never been a top 10 team, and never will be a top 10 team unless they can consistently start pulling recruiting classes that rank 30 or better nationally like TCU does.
Boise will lose to Georgia (probably by 2-3 TDs at least), at San Diego State, and probably TCU at home. Additionally there are 4 other games they could potentially lose: Tulsa, Nevada, Air Force & Fresno State. They'll probably lose one of those. The one thing Boise has going for them is that they play most of their tough games at home where we all know the rarely lose
maybe should reconsider....fading talented teams...off disappointing years......> (Okie St maybe good idea)
way wrong with Ponies....one of JJ's best teams....can run.....and play D....lines on both sides very strong.....also very good recruiting class (#50 or so) ....may not translate to SU wins....but spread wise definitely a team to look to play on
Absolutely agree with you on SMU. And not only is SMU undervalued, so is their coach June Jones. You have to be a veritable miracle worker to win as many football games as he did on the island.
maybe should reconsider....fading talented teams...off disappointing years......> (Okie St maybe good idea)
way wrong with Ponies....one of JJ's best teams....can run.....and play D....lines on both sides very strong.....also very good recruiting class (#50 or so) ....may not translate to SU wins....but spread wise definitely a team to look to play on
Absolutely agree with you on SMU. And not only is SMU undervalued, so is their coach June Jones. You have to be a veritable miracle worker to win as many football games as he did on the island.
I wouldn't fade SMU nor would I favor them. Padron just isnt that good of a QB. If they have a baller @ QB i'd be all over them. UH's defense made Padron look average, so that's pretty bad. If OU can get by FSU they should run the table. Also, take a look @ UAB. I think ECU will be much improved this yr also, typically 2nd yr coaches make big strides.
I wouldn't fade SMU nor would I favor them. Padron just isnt that good of a QB. If they have a baller @ QB i'd be all over them. UH's defense made Padron look average, so that's pretty bad. If OU can get by FSU they should run the table. Also, take a look @ UAB. I think ECU will be much improved this yr also, typically 2nd yr coaches make big strides.
Georgia lost to COLORADO in the regular season and UCF in the bowl season. I agree that Boise State is overated, but by at least 2-3 td's? Come on jimmy.
Georgia lost to COLORADO in the regular season and UCF in the bowl season. I agree that Boise State is overated, but by at least 2-3 td's? Come on jimmy.
you must be on crack...OU is going kick the shit out of the bad teams and beat everyone else. Texas will give them a close game as usual, but OU will probably pull it off...LJ is the real deal. If OU can avoid injuries to key players, they will not lose, at least until the NC Game or Bowl...
Quote Originally Posted by w8rh3wk5:
Even if UW doesn't live up to the hype, their schedule is soft and they'll still win nine or ten games. Depending on the win/loss totals fade Oklahoma. They could very well lose at Florida st. And then they have to play ok st, Tex, and Tex am. Boise st could lose a couple too.
you must be on crack...OU is going kick the shit out of the bad teams and beat everyone else. Texas will give them a close game as usual, but OU will probably pull it off...LJ is the real deal. If OU can avoid injuries to key players, they will not lose, at least until the NC Game or Bowl...
Quote Originally Posted by w8rh3wk5:
Even if UW doesn't live up to the hype, their schedule is soft and they'll still win nine or ten games. Depending on the win/loss totals fade Oklahoma. They could very well lose at Florida st. And then they have to play ok st, Tex, and Tex am. Boise st could lose a couple too.
what he said...OU is legit...and I agree with his sentiment. I hope like hell that the spread against Tulsa stays in the 20-21 range...Stoops will punish Tulsa, if for no other reason cause he feels like it...please, please keep bashing OU. thank you!
Boomer ....... (at least ATS, baby)
Quote Originally Posted by shsbronc54:
Thanks for this post. Many others like you will be betting against OU and keeping the lines balanced making it easier for OU bettors to clean up.
OU is legit this season. they have a much more experienced O line, return an experienced QB and a pretty solid defense with only a few holes.
But hey, you kee talkin them down. I'll keep cashin checks.
what he said...OU is legit...and I agree with his sentiment. I hope like hell that the spread against Tulsa stays in the 20-21 range...Stoops will punish Tulsa, if for no other reason cause he feels like it...please, please keep bashing OU. thank you!
Boomer ....... (at least ATS, baby)
Quote Originally Posted by shsbronc54:
Thanks for this post. Many others like you will be betting against OU and keeping the lines balanced making it easier for OU bettors to clean up.
OU is legit this season. they have a much more experienced O line, return an experienced QB and a pretty solid defense with only a few holes.
But hey, you kee talkin them down. I'll keep cashin checks.
you people considering fade on texas need to step back and think about the situation...
texas was such a disapointment last year. it was the single worst effort, in my opinion, since 1988...
bringing in Harshin and Diaz will pay immediate dividends...Texas sill be stellar on D, and I believe this will help the O develop. By the OU game, Texas will be a top 15 or maybe top 10 team. The talent differnential between OU and Texas is nil. OU is coming off a much better season with excellent skill position players on O and great LB's.
Personlly, I think Texas A&M is a top potential fade play, and I mean that from an unbiased perspective. Had Sherman not benched Johnson for Tannehill, he would no longer be the coach there. And Tannehill's an overachiever who will be schemed against and marginalized. Gray is the real deal, and overall A&M will be good. But, I don't think they are a top 10 team and personally think A&M could lose 4-5 games this year, A&M's D is certainly nothing to write home about. No the Wrecking Crew is not back, in my opinion, at least not yet.
I also think OK St. is overrated and a fade candidate. yes, as long as they minimize injuries, they will score a point a minute. But, Ok St's D is suspect, big time.
I think Texas will beat both A&M and Ok St, and lose a hard fought game to OU, the 2nd Saurday in October...
you people considering fade on texas need to step back and think about the situation...
texas was such a disapointment last year. it was the single worst effort, in my opinion, since 1988...
bringing in Harshin and Diaz will pay immediate dividends...Texas sill be stellar on D, and I believe this will help the O develop. By the OU game, Texas will be a top 15 or maybe top 10 team. The talent differnential between OU and Texas is nil. OU is coming off a much better season with excellent skill position players on O and great LB's.
Personlly, I think Texas A&M is a top potential fade play, and I mean that from an unbiased perspective. Had Sherman not benched Johnson for Tannehill, he would no longer be the coach there. And Tannehill's an overachiever who will be schemed against and marginalized. Gray is the real deal, and overall A&M will be good. But, I don't think they are a top 10 team and personally think A&M could lose 4-5 games this year, A&M's D is certainly nothing to write home about. No the Wrecking Crew is not back, in my opinion, at least not yet.
I also think OK St. is overrated and a fade candidate. yes, as long as they minimize injuries, they will score a point a minute. But, Ok St's D is suspect, big time.
I think Texas will beat both A&M and Ok St, and lose a hard fought game to OU, the 2nd Saurday in October...
Why u should fade OH is simple... bc they will have such a high season win total basically they will have to be undefeated or one loss at best to win ur season bet. @Fla st. @ok st are two very challenging road games. In addition they host Tex am and Missouri. Finally they have that Texas game. In those five games it wouldn't surprise me if they lose one of those games. And losing two is very possible too. Depending on the totals u may break even or lose based on that.
Why u should fade OH is simple... bc they will have such a high season win total basically they will have to be undefeated or one loss at best to win ur season bet. @Fla st. @ok st are two very challenging road games. In addition they host Tex am and Missouri. Finally they have that Texas game. In those five games it wouldn't surprise me if they lose one of those games. And losing two is very possible too. Depending on the totals u may break even or lose based on that.
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