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Perhaps it is just the refs being involved with Vegas. It isnt hard for a ref to slight a team on a couple of calls and have most games go in his favor. Maybe Goodell gives the nod to the refs in this game or that somehow some way. No idea. But seriously..if you read Tuohy's book, you can at least have a grasp on how it is indeed possible to fix a game here and there. There's actually clear-cut evidence in the history of the NFL and other sports of fixing games...so to say that it isnt being done is one thing. But you certainly can't argue it hasnt been done. It truly is frustrating when people dismiss it as just a conspiracy, being that it is plain as day to someone like myself. I am not a conspiracy theorist nut. I dont believe in any far-out bs that i read and tend to dismiss theories without solid proof. Can I say how the league is doing it? All I can say is that SOMETHING is going on that we don't know. Someone has influence on these NFL games. Once more,if you are truly open to learning something that'd change your mind, you should read the book or at least do some solid research in some way. The pieces will come together. |
BornToDie | 28 |
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Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:
"Again, it isn't the players. It's the League that is manipulating the games". Jerry Jones is the most powerful owner in the NFL. They haven't been to a Super Bowl in 22 years. I am guessing you realize the Cowboys are probably the most popular team in the NFL. Jerry Jones could be making millions and millions more if the Cowboys were relevant. Do you seriously think he would allow a script that he was not a part of?????? If you do you are out of your mind and belong in the "Tin Foil Hat Club". Every year that passes without another championship is millions and millions he will never see. I could give you plenty more examples as well. How many people do you believe are in on this and are keeping their mouths shut? We have one "documented case" in the NBA that was handled in the courts and so far nothing in the NFL.If you think it's just those 3 refs that are sketchy then you don't read many of these threads. The "fixers" complain about many of the refs on a weekly basis. Ed Hoculi being one of them. Proof of fixing is not a blown call. When rational people judge situations they like to base it off of more than just people's opinions.
All of the refs in the NFL are garbage. Those 3 in particular are very awful. Who makes the shots and how does it all work? I couldn't tell you with certainty, but I do know that some obvious garbage goes on in the league that isn't by mistake. You don't review the Jets touchdown by Sefarian Jenkins vs the Pats and call that not a touchdown unless someone has influence on the call your making or you yourself (Corrente) have some other reason to take away an obvious touchdown. No it isn't limited to that call and no it isn't limited to that ref. There's tons of instances I have seen like this. And Jerry Jones isn't favored by Goodell by any means. Do you forget that Jerry has been after Goodell? Did you not see how the video of Jerry making "racist" remarks surfaced as soon as Jerry started spouting about Goodell needing to not be resigned? Or how Ezekiel Elliotts suspension was basically under investigation for an entire year up until just before the season started..there's definitely things that go on that are quite fishy in that league. If you don't buy into, that's your perogative. I will add though that just up until a few short years ago I doubted that games/leagues could be fixed whatsoever on that level. Then it finally got bad enough that I contemplated it and when I researched it, it makes a lot more sense. Regardless of whether or not you thing games can/are being fixed, there's absolutely no way you can justify some of these gamechanging calls that these officials are making. I believe in human error and understand it exists in fast-paced games most definitely. But you lose every bit of your argument when we see clear-cut evidence on replay reviews (same ones that these so-called professional refs see) and they somehow see something that isnt there. And Donaghy may be the only case that has been exposed but there are far more out there. If you seriously think that these multi-billion dollar tv contracts alone aren't enough to entice the guys like Goodell to make a great product even better, you're fooling yourself. Using that "tin-foil" hat argument is great and all but you have no idea how much people like me laugh at people like you because you have no deductive reasoning. Educate yourself. |
BornToDie | 28 |
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And for the record..if you do believe a person like Goodell or any of the teams' owners would choose integrity in their game over millions of extra dollars, you are a fool. |
BornToDie | 28 |
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Many conspiracies are just that, conspiracies. But to dismiss them by simply thinking "it can't be" isn't a good argument. I use to love the NFL but a few years ago i started catching on to all of the BS. It has gradually gone downhill and it all has to do with money. The league is indeed crooked. It's not the players, it's the big whigs and refs. Just watch any game that Corrente, Sterratore, or Morelli officiate and there will always be controversy. Why is it these guys, the worst of all of the refs in the league, get the primetime games and playoff games. Theres a big difference between missing a call and blatantly screwing one team over another. Examples are Texans Raiders game in Mexico City, Corrente's jobbing of the Jets against Pats this year, and the "Fail Mary" play a few years ago. TV deals and shared revenue have ruined the game. The League wants money. It should be no shock that the NFL cares more about money than the integrity of the game. When you can understand that concept, maybe then you can dig deeper into it and learn a thing or two about how a league such as the NFL CAN pull strings. It has all become so blatant these days that I dont understand how any avid fan of the game can NOT see the sketchy stuff in front of their eyes. Donaghy's scandal in the NBA is enough to refute someone that says games cant be fixed in a league so large and watched by so many. FIFA, largest sport in the world, has so many known cases of match fixing. How come the NFL can't do the same? Again, it isn't the players. It's the League that is manipulating the games. It may not be every game and/or every play, but it is clear that they do have theor hand in things. Look up Brian Tuohy and read his book on the matter. It will give you clear-cut evidence that would make you think otherwise. |
BornToDie | 28 |
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Wisconsin played them pretty well but gave up a few huge plays that made the difference in the game. And it did come down to the last drive (they were jobbed by the non-call PI, by the way). Not as if OSU blew them out. And for those of us that got Wisconsin +7, we still won. |
bettingforfun | 9 |
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Why do people call the game in the 1st qtr. Its a 4 qtr game. It aint lookin pretty but a turnover can change things. Patterson is a good coach too. Dont count them out. |
gonnapuigyou | 29 |
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Be patient buddy. But theyre definitely gonna have to change up their defensive scheme. |
kwangusbeef | 6 |
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Be patient buddy. But theyre definitely gonna have to change up their defensive scheme. |
kwangusbeef | 6 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Sportsnut1968:
The line IS NOT based on reputation or Urban Meyer ect ect....The line is based on how vegas wants you to bet....If we go just simply by the eye ball test...Wisconsin should be a slight favorite....So why does Vegas make OSU the 7pt favorite? Are they trying to just give money away? lmao...Hell no.....they're trying to influence how you bet...I'm going to say most people are taking the points...It's a gift they say...OSU 27-Wisky 17
So let me get this straight..Wisconsin should be favored in this game but instead Vegas wants to make the line even 7 points in favor of Wisconsin so that youll take Wisconsin? Yeah that makes total sense. |
WISEGUY36 | 42 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Sportsnut1968:
The line IS NOT based on reputation or Urban Meyer ect ect....The line is based on how vegas wants you to bet....If we go just simply by the eye ball test...Wisconsin should be a slight favorite....So why does Vegas make OSU the 7pt favorite? Are they trying to just give money away? lmao...Hell no.....they're trying to influence how you bet...I'm going to say most people are taking the points...It's a gift they say...OSU 27-Wisky 17
So let me get this straight..Wisconsin should be favored in this game but instead Vegas wants to make the line even 7 points in favor of Wisconsin so that youll take Wisconsin? Yeah that makes total sense. |
WISEGUY36 | 42 |
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Not that Ohio State is a bad team by any means, but if youve watched Wisconsin play these last two years, you definitely wouldnt be calling for OSU by 3 td's. OSU very well could have lost 4 games but Penn St blew it and Michigan didnt have a qb. Wisconsin hasn't been in a game where the win was in doubt. Theyve given up 20 points in just one game. This reminds me a lot of the 10 points that Bama was getting vs an Urban Meyer coached team with Tim Tebow. That SEC title game shouldnt have had that large of a #, but because it was Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow, people were all over Florida. This game should be a pick 'em or Wisconsin slightly favored. The line is simply based off of reputation. Not enough for me to take OSU -7 on a neutral field. |
WISEGUY36 | 42 |
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Quote Originally Posted by wildcard10:
Maybe one of the easiest bets of the yearBig bet plays: 4-1 UCF -7 (50% bankroll play)UCF won this match-up 40-13 earlier in the year, Memphis has been playing some pretty bad teams the last 4 weeks and had to rally and come back against a Houston team who has been pretty middle of the road team this year. Don't let Memphis recent high scoring scare you away from the line.Good luck to everyone
I remember that game Quote Originally Posted by wildcard10:
Maybe one of the easiest bets of the yearBig bet plays: 4-1 UCF -7 (50% bankroll play)UCF won this match-up 40-13 earlier in the year, Memphis has been playing some pretty bad teams the last 4 weeks and had to rally and come back against a Houston team who has been pretty middle of the road team this year. Don't let Memphis recent high scoring scare you away from the line.Good luck to everyone Houston is not an easy win in a night game on a Thursday in their stadium. Houston came to play that night..and Memphis' RB averaging 9.1 YPC left the game early. I've watched Memphis play several games this year, including the Houston game. They can keep up with good teams. I think UCF is for real but to say that against Memphis, giving 7 points, coming off the biggest and most emotional win for UCF. Far from a lock. Riley Ferguson is a senior and has thrown 32/8. And by the way...UCF damn near lost to USF.
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wildcard10 | 8 |
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Quote Originally Posted by wildcard10:
Dwayne Haskins is not a bad qb, Ohio state is going to win by 3 tds regardless. I love some gus johnson by the way. And on what grounds are you basing that off of? Wisconsin has manhandled every team theyve played. Just because they dont blow out the teams they beat doesn't mean they can't keep up with a two-loss team that would have also lost in Michigan if their starting QB had played.
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WISEGUY36 | 42 |
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A good NIU team up 17-0 at half and manages to lose. Please cover Buffalo. I cant take two games of 17-0 leads that don't cover! |
weston555 | 1 |
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As if Miami has had a tough schedule..? The win over Notre Dame was impressive but just because they won in blowout fashion doesn't mean theyre the best team around. Maybe it was just one of those games. And Clemson has played a tougher schedule...they beat Auburn and have beaten NC State, VA Tech, and and Louisville on the road. Not stellar teams but still better than what Miami has done on the road. Wins over NC and FSU by a whopping 9 pts? |
Hoyasaxa | 13 |
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Two dogshit calls already vs MTSU. Pass interference on TD called back. Ridiculous. Sometimes makes you wonder... |
weston555 | 2 |
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Buffalo misses fg and extra point, gives up garbage td to end 1st half, and ends the game with ball on Ball St 2-yard line. Lucky cover for Ball State backers |
xTaKeMoNeYx | 2 |
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And not that Ball would have won but as a coach, don't you call the timeouts and force Buf to kick a FG and hope to score two td's in a minute and a half. Why lay down when you can at least try to win the game, as unlikely as it may be. Same thing happened a few weeks ago with another team..they were dowm 10 with 2 mins to go and punted the ball away. |
BeeRich | 7 |
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Son of a bitch. That last drive. I had Buf -17..of course a missed extra point and missed fg are the difference. Not to mention the meltdown before 2nd half. Should have been up 20 at half instead of 13. Why does it always seem the biggest line movements or weirdest lines have a team that dominates the other but fails to cover based on stupid garbage. |
BeeRich | 7 |
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Didnt know joe williams was on the injury report and that would justify the movement..but he still played lights out and came out of the game every time they were going to surely score if he was in the ball game. Very strange coaching decisions in that one. Refs were suspect as well..and of course Utah didnt score a TD on final drive after the half-hearted attempt at getting in the endzone. The FG did give them the lead but Indy covered for those late bettors as it was just a 2-point advantage...just very strange in my opinion. And ive bet on tons of games over the years and i tend to do very well in the college games. Their performance and interest in the game reminded me of the Lions the other night when that spread barely budged off of the original 7-point line that was posted PRIOR to the Cowboys securing the #1 seed and as well as prior to the Lions knowing that they wouldnt be locked in to the playoffs after Week 16 (Skinz can still take their spot, or Packers). Just hard to fathom the way some of these games appear when all things are considered.
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alopez14325 | 10 |
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