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I still think Maidana is terrible.
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Jerseyboy89 | 21 |
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Good luck dude. I'm part of the public backing Martinez and expecting a kayo.
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walktheline | 20 |
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I can't really imagine Abregu surviving 12 rounds of Bradley pressure. Why do you think Abregu has punching power? I think he squares up and throws arm punches.
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DannoDanger | 10 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Mack05: No sign of the video yet but by all accounts it went nuts! Khan is a moron. He trys to win popularity in the States, yet (from what I am reading) he brings over an army of fans of Pakistan decent wearing hoddies with Khan army on the back.Are u serious!? In the current climate in the US just how stupid can people be.. I am not racist (never have, never will) and I pride myself on this. As long as people of all race dont break the law and leave in peace, what more can u ask for. Judge people is what I say, but this will not help Amir Khan win over American's. Paulie is the biggest clown on the planet and now it seems he has a rival (me ) in Khan. I won't sleep tonight. I can't wait for all the action tomorrow What is that you feel he has done illegally Mack? Brought an entourage and fans to a weigh in? He is not the first boxer from any country to do that. |
CzeckM8 | 40 |
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Kevin Mitchell is his name.
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Mack05 | 51 |
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Mitchell doesn't really strike me as being exceptional, but he's so much better than Katsidis technically that I can't see him losing. Katsidis throws slow wide shots and his power is vastly overrated.
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Mack05 | 51 |
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Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich: Floyd was stunned not hurt badly the second one that buckled him was a temple shot. He was never seriously "hurt". Shane didn't blow his wad in the 2nd round, Shane has always been a slugger with the "look" of a boxer. He "flicks" the jab he doesn't have a real jab. His Trainer gave him excellent advice and he didn't follow it. Shane knew Floyd was too fast and the best counter puncher in boxing so he had no choice but to try to land a big punch (when he isn't a BIG puncher).. he's a volume puncher just like Floyd. If you LOOK at the punch stats it wasn't that Mosley wasn't throwing he wasn't landing that's called defense. Mosley learned the more you throw the MORE you get hit from Floyd. - Pac-fans may want to take that into consideration :-) Floyd beat Mosley EASILY, the same Mosley Pac-man ducked and NO ONE van deny he didn't duck Mosley.. look at Mosley begging for the fight was willing to go to 142/143 take 40 % purse... did everything but offer a blow job to Pac-man.. and Freddie Roach said "no way". As soon as Pac-man loses this election, the fans will now make him fight or retire. We are at the point where there are NO boxers at 147 that if they don't fight each other they're better off BOTH retiring. Personally I believe if and when Floyd fight's Pac-man .. he will retire after that fight. Floyd is a business man he like all of us in our careers .. want to make as much as possible and get out before you wind up with brain damage. The public will NOT accept Pac-man fighting anyone else but FLOYD especially since Pac-man is supposedly the P4P champion.. Floyd made it simple ... take the blood tests .. and we fight how hard is that? Go look at the punch stats, Shane wasn't "tired" he MISSED so many punches he threw a ton he just missed, and I think we all know it takes more energy to MISS than it does to land. As Mosley's trainer told him your waiting for a perfect shot "There is NO perfect shot against this guy". Everyone can say all they want but there is no "Blue Print" to beat Floyd- he adapts DURING the fight so makes a blue print useless. I think you're pretty far off here. I have looked at the stats, and Shane was not throwing nearly enough to have any chance against Floyd. In fights with Cotto and Margarito, Shane threw an average of 64 and 56 punches per round respectively. In this fight against Floyd, he threw only 452 total punches. That's less than 38 punches per round. Anyone who allows Floyd to dictate the pace and fight a slow fight is going to lose. Compubox pre-fight Compubox post-fight |
Redlad | 9 |
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Amazing how easy it is to forget that Mosley was at the top of any credible welterweight rankings before this fight.
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NJDevils | 95 |
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Quote Originally Posted by mpeiu81: Dude, MARNY, he was willing to give blood right after the fight and I believe up to 2 weeks before. Just not right before, which is dumb and Floyd new he wouldn't have to wither because Manny wouldn't accept this. I give up. They are rich, I quit trying to explain He is saying he'll take blood tests up to 24 days before the fight, which is the same position his team took in the previous negotiation. Without having any specific knowledge, it sure seems to me like 24 days would be long enough to get back on the juice. |
gamehenger | 91 |
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Quote Originally Posted by DatMofoThere85: That doesn't mean what he said isn't really true. I'd like to hear your counter-arguments to Doug Fischer's article. My point was simply that you should consider his bias in picking this particular fight. I find it interesting that he fails to even mention Mosley's loss to Miguel Cotto, in which he was clearly outboxed by a man who is nowhere near the technician Floyd is. He also failed to hurt Cotto, and honestly, if you can look past the Margarito fight, he has not been a big puncher at all at 147 lbs. Shane went the distance with David Estrada several years ago. The biggest myth leading up to this fight is Shane's great advantage in punching power. He has none now that he's off steroids and still fighting well above his natural weight. |
Mack05 | 53 |
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Quote Originally Posted by DatMofoThere85: What I posted earlier was actually from Doug Fischer's mailbag (a man who's knowledge I highly respect). I'm actually picking Mayweather by dec but it's not a big bet because I'm not nearly as confident as some of the people on this forum. I'm predicting Mosley wins 5 rounds. Mosley in his prime would kill Mayweather and I have no doubt about that! What's crazy is that even though Mosley is 38, he's still the second most athletic person Mayweather will have faced (Zab Judah # 1). -380 and above (on Mayweather) are TERRIBLE odds considering the risk. Fisher has been a Mosley cheerleader and a Floyd hater for years. He would never tell you Shane is losing this fight. |
Mack05 | 53 |
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Quote Originally Posted by esplanade: Nice win for Adamek and his lively supporters. Being there live and VERY close, it's tough to see him getting a stoppage. I was on a dec +250 and honestly (and admittedly after the fact) that seems to have been the only way to bet him. Straight @ E really was not good value even though it cashed huge for Cee. I'm confused as to how you don't see the Adamek side as good value. Surely at even money, Adamek was better value than the Arreola side. I'm not trying to be funny mate, but putting down a grand at even money in this spot, that's tremendous for CeeDog. What on earth are you talking about? |
Cee_MoNeY | 18 |
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It's hard to see Dirrell beating anyone in this tournament fighting the way he did against Froch.
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cohiba23 | 11 |
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Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:
After about rd 4 with Marquez I thought Floyd could end that fight at any time, and just chose not to. Make no mistake - I agree with you completely on his chin being historically sound at this point, but with almost every fighter Shane has had a speed and footwork advantage - which he will not have here. Once these speed guys lose a step, they get hit with a lot of shit they didn't used to since it's what they relied on, so that's why I'm thinking that it could happen here since Floyd already has the speed advantage going in. Hate to make it sound like I'm bad mouthing Moseley, because I love the guy and his attitude, but he's definitely closer to being shot than peaking, so he's on high fade alert with me. You may be right, but I just don't see it. Shane has already slowed down considerably and he does get hit a lot. He was never a defensive wizard in my mind anyway, but Cotto was able to land clean blows without ever having him in trouble. I've got to expect Floyd by wide decision, but you never know when the ref may decide to step in if Floyd does actually turn on the gas. It's completely against his nature though at the higher weight classes (even carrying the smaller Marquez for 12 rounds). He used to just destroy guys when he had them outclassed (see Corrales and Gatti). |
nuttyrich | 22 |
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Mosley backers don't need any extra encouragement at this early juncture. Even if +260 is fatter than it will be on fight night, it is not in fact a great bargain, and I don't think any of us see Floyd's number creeping down to -200. Do you? The only reason I can see for betting on the wrong side 3 months in advance would be to sell the position later. I just can't see a dramatic shift in Shane's direction making that profitable.
As for the Floyd KO, I can't really see that coming. He was able to carry Marquez through 12 rounds (and Hatton through 10) and Shane's chin is legendary. He's not made of glass like Roy always has been even if he's slowed down in much the same way. |
nuttyrich | 22 |
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It's just irresponsible to tell people to pound Mosley at any price. They could have made this Floyd -500 and I'd see value there.
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nuttyrich | 22 |
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Such an easy fight for Floyd. Go back and look at Shane's last three fights before Margarito. He has absolutely nothing to give Floyd problems. I was astonished that against Cotto there was virtually no difference in hand speed. He was awful against Mayorga and could have lost. Shane will have been out of the ring for more than 16 months by the time these guys meet up. It is the last big payday he's been chasing since Vargas II, and he's in with almost no chance of winning. Too slow, too small, not strong enough without roids. Good luck to Floyd haters who want to burn more cash.
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gridironguy | 16 |
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That was definitely a rabbit punch that put Roy down. I didn't think the stoppage was especially good either.
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EricLinny | 26 |
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Quote Originally Posted by walktheline: C'mon man. You run this fight 100 times it gets stopped prior to 1:30 in the 10th 75%. Cotto was saved by the bell in the 4th and someone should have stopped it rounds sooner. Be serious Mack, I had the over as well, and it may have hit, but it certainly was not the clear, right side. Cotto could have been done in round 4 with a few more seconds, and he was in terrible shape for 10 and a half minutes from round 6 until your bet paid. The value in this fight was obviously on Pacquiao -250, not on any of the outcome props or totals. |
mightiestmojo | 12 |
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Good luck WTL. Karass sure looks like a good pick to me.
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walktheline | 24 |
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