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Quote Originally Posted by Skipster: agree with shango. and smith should've kicked the FG at the end of the half. way too early to leave pts off the board. Normally, I'm all for going it inside the 2-yard line. Getting 7 instead of 3 is such a huge boost. And if you fail, the other team is stuck with abysmal field position. However, doing it at the end of the first half removes that punishment for the Jets. Plus, the Falcons have struggled in the red zone all year. Had to kick the field goal there. And Rex should have gone for 2. It's the 4th quarter in a 2-score game. There is a risk involved if you don't get it, but there is a greater reward.
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PapaShango | 89 |
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Really like the Tampa lean right now. I don't think Philly is very good at all, other than McCoy, whom I think Tampa can limit. Tampa has a better defense, and their value is at an all-time low. Philly is the worst defense the Bucs have faced all season. Also not sold on Foles...
Curious why you're on Pittsburgh giving points on the road against anybody, much less a team with a good defense. |
bets2win | 14 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Nucci74: Then put your money on the mighty jets Will do. Just was curious if there was anything else to BigNiner's Steelers' pick other than the situation, because I typically like his posts.
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BigNiner | 195 |
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Also, nobody said the Jets were the most talented team in football. But it's more talented than some think, and I don't think it's a stretch to say they're better than an 0-4 team.
The Jets have allowed 66 points the last 2 games (though not all by the defense). But the Jets are also.... - 2nd in yards per play - 1st in yards per rush - 7th in yards per pass - 2nd in yards per game - 2nd in rush YPG - 13th in pass YPG The Jets should win if they don't turn the ball over often. Pittsburgh hasn't forced a turnover all season.
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BigNiner | 195 |
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Quote Originally Posted by BigNiner: The line of NY Jets -3 is saying Pittsburgh is better than the Jets? That's the point... On the whole, I don't think Pittsburgh is more talented. Pittsburgh has a better quarterback and slightly better weapons. Jets are far better in the trenches. I would like this angle if the Jets were giving over a field goal. Then I think you're getting the value of an 0-4 team going on the road at a 3-2 team. But to me, you're getting a team that isn't as good, on the road, and you're not getting meaningful points. When I first heard the Jets were home underdogs to Pittsburgh, I had to triple-check the game was in New Jersey because I didn't really believe it. I wouldn't be shocked if Pittsburgh won, but I just don't see the value. I admit it is a strong trend.
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BigNiner | 195 |
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Assuming the spread is under 3 either way...
Do you take the better team at home to cover less than a field goal? Or do you take the worse team on the road because you believe that much in the situation? It would be hard for me to take this Pittsburgh team on the road without getting points against anyone. One other point about the situation for the Jets. Beating Atlanta on the road in Primetime is a big win for them, absolutely. But it's still an NFC team they have no rivalry against. This isn't New England. However, the Jets DO play New England one week after the Steelers game. So it could be a lookahead situation there. And another thing: while the majority of both teams are gone, the Steelers knocked the Jets out in the AFC Championship game just three seasons ago. Probably too many players are gone from the Jets to care, but those that are still around (Rex, Brick, Mangold, Harris, Cro, etc) will want revenge.
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BigNiner | 195 |
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Papa, 100% agreed with you that the Jets needed to go for 2. Mentioned it at the time to Jets fans I was with, none of them seemed to care. I thought it was a terrible deicision.
But Rex is still a good coach overall. His game management and ability to run an offense are suspect, but his ability to get the team to play hard and scheme the defense to play well are both very good, and cancel out the negatives. Still think Rex is a very good coach if they can develop a quarterback. Hopefully, that can be Geno.
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PapaShango | 89 |
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Quote Originally Posted by BigNiner: Looked like a different team to me with Bell in the backfield 2 weeks ago. Minnesota allowed Detroit, Chicago and Cleveland all to run over 100 yards. Pittsburgh ran for 77 yards on 3.7 yards per carry against Minnesota. The Jets have a MUCH better run defense than Minnesota. I agree that this is a great spot for Pittsburgh, but this is a terrible matchup for the Steelers' offense. Atlanta couldn't run the ball today, and the Jets gave no respect whatsoever to their run game because of their weapons on the outside. Agree with you that it's a good spot for Pittsburgh, off a bye against a team coming off a big win on short rest. But Pittsburgh's offense won't do much against this Jets' defense. If the Steelers win, it will be because Geno reverted back to his turnover-prone ways (which is entirely possible). I am a Jets fan though, so as unbiased as I try to be, there's still a tinge of fandom in there.
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BigNiner | 195 |
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Really curious how you think the Steelers will block the Jets' defensive line, and how you think the Steelers will run the ball.
It's a very good spot for the Steelers, but it's a really bad matchup for their offense.
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BigNiner | 195 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Jetfanmack: He just has to not turn the ball over. Jets win the turnover battle, they will probably win the game. Odds are, they probably won't win the turnover battle though. 2 keys are whether or not the Jets turn the ball over on offense and whether or not the Falcons convert in the red zone. I think the Falcons offense can move the ball with a quick passing game on the Jets, but they've struggled all season converting TDs in the red zone, and I don't think that will change tonight. As a Jets fan, kind of feeling a heartbreaking loss tonight, something like 23-21 on a last second Bryant FG. Great win! Almost had that heartbreaking loss for the Jets. But this is the story for the Jets this season: if they play turnover-free football, they can win a lot of games. That's true for a lot of teams.
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165yds | 57 |
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Good call.
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Delino349 | 39 |
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Quote Originally Posted by TreyInventor: I admire your confidence but asking Geno Smith to go into that crazy dome and come out with a win is a little farfetched IMO. Geno is very turnover prone like you said. I do like the points tho but dang Jets ML? Guess we've seen stranger things happen. GL He just has to not turn the ball over. Jets win the turnover battle, they will probably win the game. Odds are, they probably won't win the turnover battle though. 2 keys are whether or not the Jets turn the ball over on offense and whether or not the Falcons convert in the red zone. I think the Falcons offense can move the ball with a quick passing game on the Jets, but they've struggled all season converting TDs in the red zone, and I don't think that will change tonight. As a Jets fan, kind of feeling a heartbreaking loss tonight, something like 23-21 on a last second Bryant FG.
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165yds | 57 |
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Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango: Your thread title just seeks attention. Laying double digits with the Falcons, regardless if they cover or not tonight, is just not a smart bet against a solid defense. Atlanta has NO pass rush. Geno will be able to hang out in the pocket and make some plays. I don't trust Matt Ryan in such an important game againsta Rex Ryan ddefense. Falcons are by far the worst D the Jets have faced this season. Falcons probably win this game with a late TD. Can't see a blowout. Geno's biggest problem other than throwing interceptions is that he stays in the pocket too long. Against stout front sevens in Tampa, Buffalo, New England and Tennessee, that led to mistakes. Atlanta doesn't have nearly the pass rushers or interior presences that any of those teams have. No Wilfork, no Dareus, no Jurrell Casey, no Mario Williams. Atlanta has a washed up Osi Umenyiora trying to provide its pass rush. The Jets SHOULD be able to move the ball on the Falcons both on the ground and through the air. Turnovers will be the biggest issue. The Falcons won't be able to move the ball on the ground. However, they have enough weapons where a quick passing game will give Rex and the Jets issues. The Falcons are in trouble if... 1. They don't win the turnover battle 2. They continue to struggle in the red zone I think both teams will be able to move the ball on the other's defense, but getting 7 points instead of 3 will be an issue. And Delino... "You're clueless thinking is a waste of moments from my life." ^ I'm pretty sure when I was in pre-school, I could have written a better constructed sentence than that.
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Delino349 | 39 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Delino349: once again Jet Fan, you do bore me with mindless replies. Let's leave it at that and just make our plays. You're clueless thinking is a waste of moments from my life. Fair enough. Continue to butcher the English language. |
Delino349 | 39 |
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Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango: Actually, I'm playing it now. Jets 1st Half +7 -110 (2 Units) I like it. I'm worried that Geno turns the ball over late to allow a front door cover for the full game, but in the first half, I expect the Jets to be right there. |
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Quote Originally Posted by Delino349: lol JetFan, Fantasy Football? lol nah, not me fruit loop. But thanks for letting me know what I MAY be. Clown. Anyway, you mock me but yet you are nothing more than a homer trying to stand up for his miserable team. So please, go back to sleep. Point is, the talent between these two teams is HUGE and the Jets have no real depth anywhere to keep up. You people keep saying IF IF IF Geno the Turnover Machine doesnt turn it over, well lemme tell ya pork chop, HE DOES...ALOT! lol...As does Eli Manning. So stop saying if he doesnt, cause he does and he will. The Jets have played NOBODY aside from a beatdown and injured Pats team in a rain storm. NOBODYYYYYYYY. You think they are gonna roll in the dome tonight against a very good ATL team and not get hammered? Uhhhh, did ya see the Tennessee game? You mean that same injured and beat-up Patriots team that beat the Falcons in their own building right after that game? The Falcons played New Orleans, sure, but their other games are against Miami and St. Louis. Tennessee and Buffalo (with Manuel) is about the same level of competition. I would take the Jets +10.5 points which is what I'm seeing now. I don't think the Jets will end up winning, and I could definitely see Geno turning the ball over too much as he's been prone to do. I would have a longer rebuttal, but I feel dumber reading your posts, and I don't want to sink to your level.
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Delino349 | 39 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Hyz23: Give me your thoughts... FALCONS 34 JETS 13 Jets D is not #7 in the league. I dont believe that. ATL running game is mediocre, but will come to play tonight!! I'm just curious.... Jets' defense has been top 10 in the league each of the past 4 seasons. Other than saying "I don't believe that," why is the Jets' defense not top 10? And why will Atlanta's "mediocre" running game "come to play?" Jets shut down Doug Martin, Stevan Ridley, CJ Spiller, Fred Jackson and Chris Johnson. The Falcons have the worst line and the worst running backs out of anyone the Jets have played so far. The Falcons could cover this spread. But it won't be because of the running game. That just defies logic entering this game.
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Hyz23 | 14 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Delino349: So I guess New Orleans, NE, St Louis and Miami are all comparable teams to the crap the Jets have played? Gimme a break. Please stop the madness fellas. Cromartie isnt keeping up with Julio Jones all game. And I'll take a banged up Roddy White against the rest of the Jets. And you watch Harry Douglas have a big game from the slot if they try to double JJ. I didnt mean whos going to stop J Rodgers from running, meant when he swings out of the backfield like Sproles does and gets one on one with an LB. So take your ridic stats above and choke on them. Of course ATL gives up yards passing in the secondary, theyve gone up against Brees, Brady, and solid QBs in Tannehill and Bradford. Again, good luck with your losing play on the Jets You do realize Atlanta lost 3 of those 4 games, right? And Sam Bradford is not solid in any world, he stinks. And both teams played Brady. Jets did a MUCH better job against Brady and would have probably won if Geno didn't turn the ball over 3 times in the 4th quarter. And that was on the road. Falcons lost to New England at home. Atlanta will not be able to run the ball at all. The Falcons could move the ball very effectively with a short passing game, but his line won't give him time to go deep. It hasn't given him time all year to go deep, and the Jets are by far the best defensive line the Falcons have faced all season. If Geno doesn't turn the ball over all the time, the Jets have a chance for the win. This just reeks of a fan who plays fantasy football and is basing his analysis based on that and public perception. The only defensive player you mentioned was Dee Milliner, who is probably the Jets' 4th best cornerback right now.
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Delino349 | 39 |
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Buffalo Villanova
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Q_the_money | 11 |
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Villanova is better than Towson. Nova's QB John Robertson is very good. He didn't start last year against Temple. Addazio coaching a new team could take a bit to get used to his players. BC returns a lot of players from a bad team, but not sure they all fit Addazio's system yet. He usually goes for mobile QBs. That's not Chase Rettig. Should be an interesting game. Not sure what the spread is, but Nova should have a chance.
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MaineRoad | 12 |
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