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Posted: 6/23/2008 11:47:30 AM

 

  IF the people Obama hires, befriends ,gets counsel from,and surrounds himself with,are any indication of his core beliefs, I would say he may be a Marxist,but just maybe he isn't and he just seems to attract Marxist.

 

Now don't be surprised         if you believe in this statement below,because if you do,you could be one .............

 

"The capitalist ruling class of the United States exercises a virtual dictatorship not only over American society, but also over the entire world. This capitalist class rule is the basic cause of the poverty, wars and the degradation of the natural environment."

 

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Posted: 6/23/2008 12:35:45 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by depeche2:

What's unpatriotic is sending our kids to die on foreign soil for oil and political reasons based on lies and trumped up intelligence.  What's unpatriotic is trampling on the constitution and spying and eavesdropping on our citizens.  What's unpatriotic is outing CIA agents for political purposes.

Hand placement, flag pin wearing and minister don't quite rise to the same level of patriotic importance to me.  I guess I'm weird like that.



But it's all for a great cause so who cares.....right?

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Posted: 6/23/2008 12:45:04 PM
Comparing Che and Marx to Obama? That's a bit over dramatic. Don't you think?
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a stretch with Che, but not with marx

marx policy = hard left liberal (obama) policy

class warfare, bourgois v proletariat, centralized planning

its not that far off
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Posted: 6/23/2008 1:51:52 PM
For those who aren't smart enough to manage their own fiscal interests and need the government to do it for them, then, yes, they probably should vote a straight Democratic ticket since they probably can't think through the issues clearly anyway.
 
sounds like the Bush Republicans to ME.
 
balanced budget when Clinton was President and now record deficits with Bush and the "tax and put it on the ChiCom credit card" Republicans. and don't give me this crap about "we're paying for a war". John McCain was correct in opposing tax cuts in a time of war.
 
you talk about liberal Democrate moochers, well rich behind Republicans not paying their fair share when the country has had record deficit spending are the moochers if you ask me. it's turned a dollar into the value of a dime.
 
want to talk about a transfer of wealth? how about the transfer of wealth from working people and retirees to the Exxons, Halliburtons, KBRs and Blackwaters of the world?
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Posted: 6/23/2008 1:56:54 PM
"tax and put it on the ChiCom credit card"
 
sorry should obviously be "SPEND and put it on the ChiCom credit card" although the Republican's total fiscal incompetence has created an inflationary loss of buying power that is worse than any TAX I have ever seen in my adult life.
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Posted: 6/23/2008 3:06:28 PM
i hate politics.

i hate conservatives.

i hate religion.

Long live sports,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.
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Posted: 6/23/2008 3:23:09 PM
Carabware why to you hate politics,conservatives and religion?
 
and why is it you like sports so much?
 
 
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Posted: 6/23/2008 6:02:12 PM
well friend. The comment was all in fun, obviously, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, but,  this is a sports site, so, I would just much rather talk sports, ya know?  

But I will make a brief statement: I just don't find politicians to be trustworthy, in my opinion, they are all full of garbage, and their opinions are primarily (not always I understand) on earning votes and backers money.  So, I try to take as much of a common sense approach as I can, and if others would try it, I think the world would be a better place, here are a couple examples of how I feel on certain topics:

Religion:  Nobody and I MEAN NOBODY has had an actual conversation with any GOD anytime or anywhere, so for people to act like their beliefs are ABSOLUTE TRUTHS is just comical, religion has no place in government, and i will change my opinion the day someone brings me some dialogue between themself and their so called God. When President Bush would refer to what "god wants",,,i would just laugh,,once again,,,,can i get a transcript of that conversation please????

happy Marriage:  It's none of my business what these people do, their lives don't concern me, so, What do I care if they get married...more power to them. (and if you have a problem with the tax issues, well, lets not be cheap)

Abortion: Who am I to tell a care what to do with her baby, Each individual case is different, and the bottom line is, its none of my business, its the woman's choice.

The War: Its 2008, c'mon, war is outdated,  what does gunfire and dropping bombs and grenades and blah blah blah gonna prove---to me---nothing.  Soon Enough its just going to be robots fighting anyway (hahaha), If you want to prove something to me, lets go toe to toe and throw punches like a real man,,,,lose the gun.  Don't get me wrong, I 100% support soldiers and troops, nobody has to walk in their shoes, I just think we are putting these men in a shitty situation---and in reality---we don't really have to.  Pro Soldier-Anti Iraq War.

President Bush: I'm not a Democrat, I'm not a Republican, but the corruption in this regime is DOCUMENTED, it is FACTUAL.  I cannot turn my eye on facts, that's all.

I'm not an Obama supporter, I'm not a McCain supporter, I'm just looking for a leader who ISN"T TRYING TO PISS OFF THE ENTIRE WORLD,,,that's all.

I have a feeling, Sarasota Slim, that you are a President Bush supporter, so, all respect to you, and we'll just agree to disagree on this topic.  I'm not trying to disrespect your beliefs I just don't see how anybody, in their right mind, could support that guy, but like I said, I don't walk in anybody's shoes but my own, so, I'm sure you have your reasons.  Good luck in all you do friend.




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Posted: 6/23/2008 10:06:05 PM
Thats nothing compared to the fool you got in there now. I would never vote for another republican again. Obama could garbage all over the American flag while the national anthem is playing and he still gets my vote. MCcain is just another Bush. W..Worst Ever!!!
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Posted: 6/23/2008 11:00:22 PM
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It saddens me that yu are even allowed to vote after that statement. You are a damn fool. Obama is all talk and this country needs a leader to change.....Im not a Mccain fan but he is more of a leader than Obama will ever be.....
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Posted: 6/23/2008 11:25:33 PM
   Thanks for the thought out and truthful reply Cacabware,
 
 I have some different opinions on some of your comments, but you know you are right "Long Live Sports"..
 
..and here's to You and all Gladiators.............
 
and Good Luck to you too, my friend.
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Posted: 6/24/2008 1:05:56 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by depeche2:

What's unpatriotic is sending our kids to die on foreign soil for oil and political reasons based on lies and trumped up intelligence.  What's unpatriotic is trampling on the constitution and spying and eavesdropping on our citizens.  What's unpatriotic is outing CIA agents for political purposes.

Hand placement, flag pin wearing and minister don't quite rise to the same level of patriotic importance to me.  I guess I'm weird like that.



 

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Posted: 6/24/2008 1:07:44 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by KOAJ:

Comparing Che and Marx to Obama? That's a bit over dramatic. Don't you think?
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a stretch with Che, but not with marx

marx policy = hard left liberal (obama) policy

class warfare, bourgois v proletariat, centralized planning

its not that far off

you understanding of Marxism is fairly rudimentary and misleading in how it relates to Obama

it is an easy title to put on someone....much harder to actually prove via fact instead of innuendo

You should really investigate Obama's economic advisors....check out the most recent issue of the Economist for that one....you'd be surprised to see how much you have in common with Obama's economic advisors 

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Posted: 6/24/2008 1:08:22 PM
i think we all get the anti-bush sentiment

how come there's never any articulation of support for obama?...just anti bush or turned into anti-mccain
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Posted: 6/24/2008 1:14:39 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by KOAJ:

i think we all get the anti-bush sentiment

how come there's never any articulation of support for obama?...just anti bush or turned into anti-mccain

KOAJ....I think I've explained my support of Obama plenty of times here....universal health care, gradual withdrawl from Iraq, refocus on Afghanistan, roll back of the Bush Money Give to the top 1-3% of this country, sensible foreign policy that involves dialogue with our enemies as well as our friends, a balanced budget, sensible & fair supreme court justices

i could keep going on and on...

 

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Posted: 6/24/2008 3:45:17 PM

i agree with cacabware.  why even have politics this place is supposed to be about gambling, but since im here im going to vote for mccain.  i live in a heavy democrat area and have a stupid nieve younger sister that believes every word obama says.  however i feel like mccain is too old for the job myself.  in defense of bush, how many other presidents had to deal with terrible disasters like katrina, 9/11? putting all the blame on him for the state of the country is ridiculous.  ive voted for him both times and ill go with the republicans again but i could go with the democrats if they ever put anyone up that wasnt such a showman (obama) or toolbag (kerry/gore).

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Posted: 6/24/2008 3:46:13 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by KOAJ:

i think we all get the anti-bush sentiment

how come there's never any articulation of support for obama?...just anti bush or turned into anti-mccain

No different then your approach.  You've said inasmuch that you're not a McCain guy, but that you fear Obama in a big way.

Pot...kettle....black. 

Want the argument for Obama (and this is from someone who doesn't support much of what he stands for)?

1. Folks are tired of us being the laughing stock of the world and they think it's about time we re-gain some respect.  They believe (right or not) that you can maintain a safe nation without condemning everyone who ever disagrees with you.  They think there is a happy medium.

2. Folks want someone to tell them when we can hope to be out of Iraq....and actually mean it.....and work for it.

3. Economically, it's been a while since things have been this bad.  What in the world have the repubs done to warrant another 4 years in office (and this matters more then specific policies.....everyone knows this).  People don't care what it is...they want us to try something different.

4. Like it or not, Obama inspires hope.  And considering how beat up people are right now, they will listen to anything even if they don't understand the cause and effect and how it might affect them in the end. 

5. People are tired of Bush using the Constituation to wipe his behind.

6. Some think increased exposure to healthcare benefits might actually be a good thing for them.

KOAJ, I know you'll never stop trying, but the horse is already out of the barn.  I think it's so funny....when Bush got elected in '04, everyone was screaming "mandate." 

He barely could beat that monkey Kerry with an approval rating through the roof.  Is it really that surprising Obama is winning (and pretty much a lock to win)?  I'm from a state that elected Jesse Ventura governor......are people really sitting there with their jaws on the ground wondering how Obama could possibly win?  Give me a break. 

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Posted: 6/24/2008 3:46:41 PM
the vice presidents will be huge in this race because of mccains age and obamas assassination potential
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Posted: 6/24/2008 8:17:49 PM

 

"I think I've explained my support of Obama plenty of times here....universal health care, gradual withdrawl from Iraq,      [ MuEagles79 ]

 

Obama says he would withdraw from Iraq by end-2008

 

09/12/07

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama on Wednesday called for completing a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq by the end of 2008 and said if elected president he would start an effort to help Iraqis bridge sectarian differences.

"I am here to say that we have to begin to end this war now," the Illinois senator said in excerpts from a speech he was to deliver later in Iowa. The excerpts were released by his presidential campaign.

He said he would immediately begin to pull out troops engaged in combat operations at a pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of 2008."?

Hope in change you can believe in !!!

Yes we Can ! .........No you can't............

 

 

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Posted: 6/24/2008 8:31:57 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

 

"I think I've explained my support of Obama plenty of times here....universal health care, gradual withdrawl from Iraq,      [ MuEagles79 ]

 

Obama says he would withdraw from Iraq by end-2008

 

09/12/07

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama on Wednesday called for completing a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq by the end of 2008 and said if elected president he would start an effort to help Iraqis bridge sectarian differences.

"I am here to say that we have to begin to end this war now," the Illinois senator said in excerpts from a speech he was to deliver later in Iowa. The excerpts were released by his presidential campaign.

He said he would immediately begin to pull out troops engaged in combat operations at a pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of 2008."?

Hope in change you can believe in !!!

Yes we Can ! .........No you can't............

 

 



from September 2007......to the end of 2008

16 months

do the math next time before you post something


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Posted: 6/24/2008 10:08:42 PM
 
"gradual withdrawl from Iraq''  [MuEagles79 ]
 
he would immediately begin to pull out troops    [Obama]
 
Words ?
 
“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Obama said. “‘I have a dream.’ Just words? ‘We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are ...   

 

 


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Posted: 6/24/2008 10:23:21 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

 
"gradual withdrawl from Iraq''  [MuEagles79 ]
 
he would immediately begin to pull out troops    [Obama]
 
Words ?
 
“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Obama said. “‘I have a dream.’ Just words? ‘We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are ...   

 

 




Something can be immediate and gradual

He will immediately begin withdrawing one to 2 brigades a month which would be a gradual withdrawal of troops over 16 months.

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