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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:51:17 AM
All three spots contolled by one party has some benefits in this partisan scene....and some seriously scary possibilities. What are your fears?
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Posted: 8/2/2012 3:11:11 PM

IMO it would be much better for the country to have the republicans control all 3 branches...things will finally get done for the better.

The Republicans will cut spending, shrink the government, start paying off the debt to bring the deficit down and eventually balance the budget, not raise taxes, repeal obama care and a host of other initiatives to get this country economically vibrant again. 

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Posted: 8/2/2012 3:29:54 PM
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When in the history of our country has that ever happened?

Repubs shrink areas they dont like, expand areas they do..Democrats do the same thing..

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Posted: 8/2/2012 3:46:14 PM

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When in the history of our country has that ever happened?
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Don't you recall the Reagan presidency?...when he lowered the tax for everyone across the board, shrank the government, then the country just exploded economically?
 
 Or how about the Clinton presidency (I know he was a dem but he did lean more to the right with the gop) when he balanced the budget in between smoking cigars with Monica Lewisky...lol
 
 
The point is we can get this country back on the right track and I believe the country at this time would be better off with the gop running the show.
 
I rest my case...lol
 
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Posted: 8/2/2012 4:03:00 PM
How old were you when Reagan was president?

I think your conclusions of what happened during his presidency are inaccurate.

How did he shrink government? Our military was enormous during his reign of terror, the country did not explode economically, we had high unemployment for most of his presidency and he ushered in our current debt slavery..

When the last republican was in office, how did we fare with shrinking government and reducing debt?

We bubbled housing and the stock market off artificially low rates and stupid tax policies, we ran up huge debt tossing money over to Iraq and was responsible for the deaths of millions (our soldiers and Iraqi/other citizens and soldiers).

You think that either party is better or different than another?

How old are you (if you would honestly answer)?
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Posted: 8/2/2012 4:16:12 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

How old were you when Reagan was president?

I think your conclusions of what happened during his presidency are inaccurate.

How did he shrink government? Our military was enormous during his reign of terror, the country did not explode economically, we had high unemployment for most of his presidency and he ushered in our current debt slavery..

When the last republican was in office, how did we fare with shrinking government and reducing debt?

We bubbled housing and the stock market off artificially low rates and stupid tax policies, we ran up huge debt tossing money over to Iraq and was responsible for the deaths of millions (our soldiers and Iraqi/other citizens and soldiers).

You think that either party is better or different than another?

How old are you (if you would honestly answer)?

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Posted: 8/2/2012 4:28:43 PM

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I think your conclusions of what happened during his presidency are inaccurate

How old were you when Reagan was president?

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No they are not inaccurate, but rather they are accurate. You have a computer go check it out. You'll see that historians regard the Reagan presidency as being a success. He used the trickle down economics strategy that worked!!

I was old enough to vote for the man...the great president that he turned out to be.

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Posted: 8/2/2012 5:08:43 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Quote Posted by wsc:

I think your conclusions of what happened during his presidency are inaccurate

How old were you when Reagan was president?

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No they are not inaccurate, but rather they are accurate. You have a computer go check it out. You'll see that historians regard the Reagan presidency as being a success. He used the trickle down economics strategy that worked!!

I was old enough to vote for the man...the great president that he turned out to be.


I grew up during his reign of terror, so my conclusions are accurate..now back then the "truth" was tougher to come by versus now, but history has shown if you are not wearing Repub blinders, the damage Reagan did was likely the worst in our countries history.

If you like war, debt, poverty, unemployment, defense contractors, fire side phony chats..then Reagan was your guy.

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Posted: 8/2/2012 5:46:51 PM

Quote Posted by wsc:

grew up during his reign of terror, so my conclusions are accurate..now back then the "truth" was tougher to come by versus now, but history has shown if you are not wearing Repub blinders, the damage Reagan did was likely the worst in our countries history.

If you like war, debt, poverty, unemployment, defense contractors, fire side phony chats..then Reagan was your guy.

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Reagan won the White House by promising to get the government off the backs of the people. This would be accomplished through deregulation and tax relief.

Government would be reined in through budget cuts, while America's power and prestige abroad would be restored, with the first step being a strengthening of the military. Reaganomics led to economic recovery after the Great Inflation of the 1970s.

For thirty years before Reagan became president, federal spending on domestic programs increased, doubling in the 1950s, doubling again in the 1960s, and nearly doubling yet again in the 1970s.

The Reagan administration sought to stop the growth of government and at the same time stimulate a struggling economy by slowing the growth of domestic spending and cutting taxes.

Due in large part to the tight money policies of the Federal Reserve (policies put into place to reduce inflation), the economy went into recession in 1981.

 While federal spending on social services increased to provide for the poor and unemployed during these hard times, tax revenues declined. In 1982, the budget deficit topped $110 billion. In 1986 it was $203 billion.

By the latter year the nation was well into a 96-month-long economic recovery during which 20 million new jobs were created -- the longest peacetime expansion in modern American history.

 Inflation had fallen, as had interest rates. The stock market tripled in value. Unemployment was down. Government revenues doubled.

A criticism of Reagan's policies is that they created a situation in which the rich got richer while the poor got poorer.

However, a 1990 Bureau of the Census study revealed that all income groups realized gains from 1980 to 1989.

Average real income rose by 15%. Average household income for the lowest fifth was $6,836 in 1980 and $7,372 in 1989.

By the end of the Reagan presidency, a high level of public approval (63 percent of the nation) indicated that the administration had recovered its image among the American public because of the perceived restoration of America's power, prosperity and national pride.

Oh yes indeed! President Reagan was the majority of America's guy!

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Posted: 8/2/2012 6:02:03 PM
Oh those are great stats..

Tell me something, what was the change in population during the time Reagan was in offce?

So that 20M "job increase" (notice the sarcasm) was a net what when factoring in the increase in population?

Were any jobs really created that werent absorbed by the change in workforce/population?

You can make the fonts as large as you want, the reality of what a sham of a president he was cannot be changed by bolding or increasing font size.


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Posted: 8/2/2012 6:11:09 PM
i voted for reagan and remember those years well.
the massive inflation from the 70's was a beast and it got controlled.
reagan never had a congress on plane with him which may have limited what could be accomplished.

gridlock ensures the status quo but our current status quo is a trillion five more expenditures than take ins. 

not good at all.

i fear WAR,, huh,  good god ya'll....what is it good for?
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Posted: 8/2/2012 6:14:14 PM

Stats are facts...lol

While your opinions are not facts...you lose! hihihihihi!

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Posted: 8/2/2012 6:24:08 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Stats are facts...lol

While your opinions are not facts...you lose! hihihihihi!


hihi? What does that mean?

How about you answer the question..20M jobs allegedly created, what was the population increase during his 8 yrs of fun?

20M subtract X increase in population= number of real jobs created.

So what is that net number again?
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Posted: 8/2/2012 6:34:36 PM
If you believe people seek power to help others, and are of a rightward bent, then you're probably like old sirjohndrake here, hoping for a militant authoritarian takeover.

If like myself, you believe that people seek power, because they are psychotic, power hungry, megalomaniacs that don't have trouble sleeping at night after raping entire generations of the citizenry, and are corruptible beyond our wildest imagination, then you ought have a healthy fear of any political party with an unchecked, free pass.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 7:41:33 PM
i sought power to help others....but not in politics.  never ever.
many younger politicians are idealistic.  the system corrupts those who seek power and are decent but the system thrives on power seekers who have ulterior motives....which are most of them.  
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Posted: 8/2/2012 7:58:29 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by drJ:

All three spots contolled by one party has some benefits in this partisan scene....and some seriously scary possibilities. What are your fears?

It cannot be any worse than the last time it happened... Obama Pelosi and Reid shoved a multi-trillion $$ health bill down the voters throat that was opposed by 75% of the voters.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 8:00:21 PM
I'm sure the Reagan Era was great if you were a rich male that happened to work at a defense contractor. 

Not so much if you were a poor young person that came from a bad area, especially if you are a minority(darn I sound like Scalabrine now)



Anyways, Reagan did a great job of appealing to his voters and the voting base in general. 

What I find funny is a lot of the people that bash Obama for increasing the national deficit are the same people that hail Reagan for his trickle down economics policy and his defense spending......which by the way increased the national deficit. 


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Posted: 8/2/2012 8:55:33 PM
it aint' happening, so conjecture is useless
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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:04:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by jmw59:

it aint' happening, so conjecture is useless


you ra ise go od po int

dangers of not preparing for 2013 with a dem prez and republican congress,,,,,,,is a better question

The year starts off with automatic spending cuts across the board. It's not austerity, so that's not what i'll call it, but how are you preparing for this supposed contraction in government spending

You have five months to prepare,,,,,,,
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Posted: 8/3/2012 2:43:06 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by drJ:

i voted for reagan and remember those years well.
the massive inflation from the 70's was a beast and it got controlled.
reagan never had a congress on plane with him which may have limited what could be accomplished.

gridlock ensures the status quo but our current status quo is a trillion five more expenditures than take ins. 

not good at all.

i fear WAR,, huh,  good god ya'll....what is it good for?

Republicans would hold sway over America’s purchased NATO marionettes, although these marionette nations are besieged with derivative debt struggles beget to them by the NY financial establishment and through the sovereign debt troubles, a number of which avoided exposure courtesy of an infamous NY financial institution. Regardless of the administration, either party will contest China’s economic superiority through a militarized foreign policy.

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Posted: 8/3/2012 7:17:18 AM
Selkooth.. Why would an intelligent person like you display such a crude and immature avatar ?
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Don juan

Why would a person of your high moral standards...display a avatar of as a wealthy, seductive libertine[one devoid of most moral restraints ] who devotes his life to seducing women?

..and who eventually kills the father of a girl [Dona Ana] he has seduced...........

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Posted: 8/3/2012 11:34:40 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

IMO it would be much better for the country to have the republicans control all 3 branches...things will finally get done for the better.

The Republicans will cut spending, shrink the government, start paying off the debt to bring the deficit down and eventually balance the budget, not raise taxes, repeal obama care and a host of other initiatives to get this country economically vibrant again. 




I literally LOL'd at this... and this is coming from a guy who is not at all a fan of the Democrats.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by be easy:

If you believe people seek power to help others, and are of a rightward bent, then you're probably like old sirjohndrake here, hoping for a militant authoritarian takeover.

If like myself, you believe that people seek power, because they are psychotic, power hungry, megalomaniacs that don't have trouble sleeping at night after raping entire generations of the citizenry, and are corruptible beyond our wildest imagination, then you ought have a healthy fear of any political party with an unchecked, free pass.



Divided government is a good thing, not a bad thing. I'd rather have gridlock in Washington than unanimity any day of the week. The less damage those idiots can do, the better
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QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:




Divided government is a good thing, not a bad thing. I'd rather have gridlock in Washington than unanimity any day of the week. The less damage those idiots can do, the better


While I agree, it is also a very sad statement. If the best we can hope for is political gridlock what does that say for our future? We will never be able fix our situation.

We knowingly vote candidates who do not represent the people's interests, it seems everyone is satisfied picking the "lesser of two evils."

If we continue maintaining the status quo the system eventually collapses. Something is going to have to give eventually. Essentially we are just waiting for the inevitable collapse then hope the mindset changes and we can rebuild from there? The future sounds pretty bleak to me.



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