Some highlights: Successful business owners are only successful because some govt public school teacher taught you. Some city/state govt built the roads and bridges that allow you and your customers to travel to get to your business. There are other people just as smart as you. There are other people who work just as hard as you.
Some highlights: Successful business owners are only successful because some govt public school teacher taught you. Some city/state govt built the roads and bridges that allow you and your customers to travel to get to your business. There are other people just as smart as you. There are other people who work just as hard as you.
Reading the entire quote places the statement in perspective. It has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with reality.
Then again, you just aren't articulate enough to understand the concept absent Fox News telling you what to think.
“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me because they want to give something back,” the president said. “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” he said. “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
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Reading the entire quote places the statement in perspective. It has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with reality.
Then again, you just aren't articulate enough to understand the concept absent Fox News telling you what to think.
“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me because they want to give something back,” the president said. “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” he said. “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
Reading the entire quote places the statement in perspective. It has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with reality.
Then again, you just aren't articulate enough to understand the concept absent Fox News telling you what to think.
“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me because they want to give something back,” the president said. “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” he said. “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
Your concept of reality.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
Reading the entire quote places the statement in perspective. It has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with reality.
Then again, you just aren't articulate enough to understand the concept absent Fox News telling you what to think.
“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me because they want to give something back,” the president said. “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” he said. “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
You'd think that Cover's might demand a bit of a higher standard from its Linesman than constant poster bashing. That behavior and limited command of English seems more in line with a copy boy than a purported attorney.
Covers knows
Obviously most people aren't successful in a complete and utter vacuum. There is no demand for anything in the absence of other people. Where's the logical end of that argument? There isn't one.
It's a full on socialist position or worse. Why would one stop at the bounds of the United States? In obama's world, we definitely wouldn't, worldwide income redistribution is his goal.
All the success you will ever have to due to the government. Which means that all your failure is due to the government as well. You are a government drone.
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You'd think that Cover's might demand a bit of a higher standard from its Linesman than constant poster bashing. That behavior and limited command of English seems more in line with a copy boy than a purported attorney.
Covers knows
Obviously most people aren't successful in a complete and utter vacuum. There is no demand for anything in the absence of other people. Where's the logical end of that argument? There isn't one.
It's a full on socialist position or worse. Why would one stop at the bounds of the United States? In obama's world, we definitely wouldn't, worldwide income redistribution is his goal.
All the success you will ever have to due to the government. Which means that all your failure is due to the government as well. You are a government drone.
I don't understand what it is about Obama that has people confusing him as a socialist?
He is partially correct, in that you cannot achieve success in the way that people like Obama and the rest of the statist ilk measure it, without the 'help' of someone else. Not because of some teacher, and certainly not to the means that he is pandering (selling higher taxes on incomes)
Most people achieved their level of success in this system via privileges. Those same people make me want to puke when they stump for higher income taxes, because it displays how poorly educated (or how well their brainwashing/instruction has worked)
There is nothing egalitarian about permanently installing restrictive barriers for some, using privileges for other, and then having higher taxes as the great equalizer. Do people even bother to think thru the crap that they parrot? The easiest way to return to all men being created equal is to stop having the government dole out so much privilege to those most willing to follow the rules in their system
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I don't understand what it is about Obama that has people confusing him as a socialist?
He is partially correct, in that you cannot achieve success in the way that people like Obama and the rest of the statist ilk measure it, without the 'help' of someone else. Not because of some teacher, and certainly not to the means that he is pandering (selling higher taxes on incomes)
Most people achieved their level of success in this system via privileges. Those same people make me want to puke when they stump for higher income taxes, because it displays how poorly educated (or how well their brainwashing/instruction has worked)
There is nothing egalitarian about permanently installing restrictive barriers for some, using privileges for other, and then having higher taxes as the great equalizer. Do people even bother to think thru the crap that they parrot? The easiest way to return to all men being created equal is to stop having the government dole out so much privilege to those most willing to follow the rules in their system
weak. this is the best you can do this monday morning? obama is a socialist because he said that people need other people to succeed? man, that is such a radical socialist statement
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weak. this is the best you can do this monday morning? obama is a socialist because he said that people need other people to succeed? man, that is such a radical socialist statement
I, and I would assume most conservatives, don't mind our tax dollars going to infrastructure like roads and bridges. That is the type of things tax dollars were designed to go to.
Austin:
I don't call Obama a socialist because he said business owners needed other people to succeed. I call Obama a socialist because he said business owners needed the govt to succeed.
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I, and I would assume most conservatives, don't mind our tax dollars going to infrastructure like roads and bridges. That is the type of things tax dollars were designed to go to.
Austin:
I don't call Obama a socialist because he said business owners needed other people to succeed. I call Obama a socialist because he said business owners needed the govt to succeed.
I actually saw it on TV. I used the link from Fox News because I knew it would make you happy. There are probably a hundred other websites you can go to to see the same words.
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I actually saw it on TV. I used the link from Fox News because I knew it would make you happy. There are probably a hundred other websites you can go to to see the same words.
your attempts at disparaging obama are futile and weak. you are slicing and dicing words and arguing semantics because you offer nothing of substance. you regurgitate the fox line without offering any thought. ever.
we got it. you think obama is a socialist. anything else?
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your attempts at disparaging obama are futile and weak. you are slicing and dicing words and arguing semantics because you offer nothing of substance. you regurgitate the fox line without offering any thought. ever.
we got it. you think obama is a socialist. anything else?
<<I actually saw it on TV. I used the link from Fox News because I knew it would make you happy. There are probably a hundred other websites you can go to to see the same words.>>
I am absolutely shocked that you did not answer my question about the quote from post #8. I presume you are waiting for Fox News to email you back the answer.
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<<I actually saw it on TV. I used the link from Fox News because I knew it would make you happy. There are probably a hundred other websites you can go to to see the same words.>>
I am absolutely shocked that you did not answer my question about the quote from post #8. I presume you are waiting for Fox News to email you back the answer.
I am absolutely shocked that you did not answer my question about the quote from post #8. I presume you are waiting for Fox News to email you back the answer.
What parts aren't true? It's a matter of opinion.
Obama implies business owners wouldn't be successful if it wasn't for the examples he gave. Aren't business owners already paying for highways, bridges, etc. Yes they are. But your response would be "it isn't enough."
So my answer is I don't agree with the premise that those people the President is talking about wouldn't be successful.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
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I am absolutely shocked that you did not answer my question about the quote from post #8. I presume you are waiting for Fox News to email you back the answer.
What parts aren't true? It's a matter of opinion.
Obama implies business owners wouldn't be successful if it wasn't for the examples he gave. Aren't business owners already paying for highways, bridges, etc. Yes they are. But your response would be "it isn't enough."
So my answer is I don't agree with the premise that those people the President is talking about wouldn't be successful.
I don't understand what it is about Obama that has people confusing him as a socialist?
He is partially correct, in that you cannot achieve success in the way that people like Obama and the rest of the statist ilk measure it, without the 'help' of someone else. Not because of some teacher, and certainly not to the means that he is pandering (selling higher taxes on incomes)
Most people achieved their level of success in this system via privileges. Those same people make me want to puke when they stump for higher income taxes, because it displays how poorly educated (or how well their brainwashing/instruction has worked)
There is nothing egalitarian about permanently installing restrictive barriers for some, using privileges for other, and then having higher taxes as the great equalizer. Do people even bother to think thru the crap that they parrot? The easiest way to return to all men being created equal is to stop having the government dole out so much privilege to those most willing to follow the rules in their system
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Quote Originally Posted by be easy:
I don't understand what it is about Obama that has people confusing him as a socialist?
He is partially correct, in that you cannot achieve success in the way that people like Obama and the rest of the statist ilk measure it, without the 'help' of someone else. Not because of some teacher, and certainly not to the means that he is pandering (selling higher taxes on incomes)
Most people achieved their level of success in this system via privileges. Those same people make me want to puke when they stump for higher income taxes, because it displays how poorly educated (or how well their brainwashing/instruction has worked)
There is nothing egalitarian about permanently installing restrictive barriers for some, using privileges for other, and then having higher taxes as the great equalizer. Do people even bother to think thru the crap that they parrot? The easiest way to return to all men being created equal is to stop having the government dole out so much privilege to those most willing to follow the rules in their system
"“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me
because they want to give something back,” the president said. “If
you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get
there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must
be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out
there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me
tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out
there.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you
to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a
business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” he
said. “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research
created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the
Internet.”"
The problem with statements like this is that you have to then ask -- OK, well what portion is more greatly responsible for success -- the individual's effort? The government's help?
Let's put it this way -- if whether a person succeeds or fails was more influenced by the government's help than by the individual's own effort, wouldn't you expect to see, on the whole, equal levels of success across society? I mean everyone has access to roads. Everyone has access to a public education. Despite that, we know that overall success is in fact not equally or even remotely equal.
The President is probably right that everyone who is successful didn't get their wholly on their own -- by virtue of the fact that you are a citizen of the USA, you have certain things available to you like roads and a public education. That being said, to borrow a sports analogy, hard work beats talent when talent refuses to work hard.
I do disagree with him 100% that people with successful business have it because someone else made it happen. I tend to think he probably mis-spoke when he said this and is likely regretting it now. Its a really bad quote.
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"“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me
because they want to give something back,” the president said. “If
you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get
there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must
be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out
there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me
tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out
there.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you
to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a
business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” he
said. “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research
created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the
Internet.”"
The problem with statements like this is that you have to then ask -- OK, well what portion is more greatly responsible for success -- the individual's effort? The government's help?
Let's put it this way -- if whether a person succeeds or fails was more influenced by the government's help than by the individual's own effort, wouldn't you expect to see, on the whole, equal levels of success across society? I mean everyone has access to roads. Everyone has access to a public education. Despite that, we know that overall success is in fact not equally or even remotely equal.
The President is probably right that everyone who is successful didn't get their wholly on their own -- by virtue of the fact that you are a citizen of the USA, you have certain things available to you like roads and a public education. That being said, to borrow a sports analogy, hard work beats talent when talent refuses to work hard.
I do disagree with him 100% that people with successful business have it because someone else made it happen. I tend to think he probably mis-spoke when he said this and is likely regretting it now. Its a really bad quote.
Some highlights: Successful business owners are only successful because some govt public school teacher taught you. Some city/state govt built the roads and bridges that allow you and your customers to travel to get to your business. There are other people just as smart as you. There are other people who work just as hard as you.
I have said this before... I think that alot of business and economic success comes from the military that allows the USA to have stability and safety... and if those that profit from the brave men and women that provide this environment for prosperity do not recognize that and instead they succeeded all on their own they are making a mockery of what the government funded military does for them...
Some highlights: Successful business owners are only successful because some govt public school teacher taught you. Some city/state govt built the roads and bridges that allow you and your customers to travel to get to your business. There are other people just as smart as you. There are other people who work just as hard as you.
I have said this before... I think that alot of business and economic success comes from the military that allows the USA to have stability and safety... and if those that profit from the brave men and women that provide this environment for prosperity do not recognize that and instead they succeeded all on their own they are making a mockery of what the government funded military does for them...
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