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Posted: 3/11/2012 3:10:42 PM
Out of the 16 there was a 2 year old who he shot, And to put the icing on the cake he burned there bodies after he did the minor thing of shooting them. 


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/11/us-soldier-kills-afghan-civilians?newsfeed=true


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Posted: 3/11/2012 3:13:30 PM
really need to get the hell out of there. 
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Posted: 3/11/2012 3:50:19 PM
I assume you lefties will blame obama for this, right?
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Posted: 3/11/2012 4:14:21 PM
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Originally Posted by esplanade:

I assume you lefties will blame obama for this, right?

 No, they will blame the soldier who pulled the trigger. He will have to answer, IF, he did this purposely, maybe court martialed.

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Posted: 3/11/2012 4:47:24 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by don juan:

 No, they will blame the soldier who pulled the trigger. He will have to answer, IF, he did this purposely, maybe court martialed.



It's funny, I made the same argument about how we should blame the actual Sunni and Shia death squads who murdered thousands of innocents in sectarian strife in Iraq instead of George Bush for the deaths of innocents, but a lot of people thought it was Bush's fault instead.

/Wishes for consistency
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Posted: 3/11/2012 5:44:25 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:



It's funny, I made the same argument about how we should blame the actual Sunni and Shia death squads who murdered thousands of innocents in sectarian strife in Iraq instead of George Bush for the deaths of innocents, but a lot of people thought it was Bush's fault instead.

/Wishes for consistency

I don't blame GWB for the illegal actions of individual soldiers committing war crimes such as murder or rape, the soldiers themselves are held personally accountable for their atrocious behaviour. I hold GWB responsible for policy decisions and actions HIS administration made, such as invading Iraq in the first place and holding POW's without trial at gtmo etc. 

I can't speak for others, but I didn't blame Bush for this type of garbage in the past. GWB had no responsibility for illegal actions of individual soldiers (aside from sending them there in the first place), so he shouldn't be blamed necessarily. Just like Obama shouldn't be blamed in this case. He has no responsibility for them being there, which as I said goes back to Bush. For those that are going to blame Obama for not leaving, stop, you can't just cut and run away from your problems/responsibility. You got yourself into some garbage!

Speaking of blaming Bush for things, I will hold Obama to the same standards... (assassinating OBL, continuing the Bush policy of holding POW's indefinitely w/o trial.)... both have committed war crimes.

I'll leave it to rick to ring up both administration over the constitutional violations on the domestic front. 
 
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Posted: 3/11/2012 6:10:06 PM

What makes this thread a political topic ?

..and what is the political content ?

Is it because the soldier was a Dem/Rep ?... or is it because President Obama who has taking credit for the actions of the military men who killed Osama bin Laden ...should also be credited for the actions of this military man and as such be brought up for war crimes?

The killing of Osama bin Laden in Vanzack's thread was listed as one of the 218 reasons to vote for Obama..does this event make it a good reason not to vote for him ...

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Posted: 3/11/2012 6:53:52 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by esplanade:

I assume you lefties will blame obama for this, right?

I thought you would be the first person to blame him for it. That is your reputation after all. 
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:31:28 PM
i find the analogy of crediting the president for killing high profile terrorists and blaming them for unplanned individual criminal acts to be stupid.  i assume that killing bin laden involved an order from people higher up along with analysis, decision making, training, planning, etc.  whomever was involved in any aspect of that should get credit.  whomever wasn't, shouldn't.   i'm also assuming this was a spontaneous, unplanned criminal act that had little to do with this guy's superiors.  the two events seem completely unrelated.  therefore, the comparisons are stupid. 
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:43:37 PM
Time to get out of there.   
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:50:15 PM
This thread is just silly. Some of you guys act like you don't know the difference between presidential credit & military credit. Of course Obama gets prez credit for killing OBL in the only way a prez can - he signed off on it & allowed it to go forward. And of course he deserves no blame whatsoever for the actions of this 1 guy, regardless of how you feel about our involvement in Afghanistan.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:53:56 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain:


I thought you would be the first person to blame him for it. That is your reputation after all. 


Who are you again??
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Posted: 3/11/2012 8:25:19 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by esplanade:



Who are you again??

I'm the guy that watches you post ignorant statements blaming the President for everything under the sun. 

Cloudy day today? Obama's fault. 

I just figure you would somehow tie this guy to Obama....in fact I'm almost waiting for you to do it in your response. 
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Posted: 3/11/2012 8:50:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain:


I'm the guy that watches you post ignorant statements blaming the President for everything under the sun. 

Cloudy day today? Obama's fault. 

I just figure you would somehow tie this guy to Obama....in fact I'm almost waiting for you to do it in your response. 


That's just because your perspective is so skewed....what with your head jammed up obama's behind and all.

Today is nice and sunny....hail obama.

Remember the fish rots from the head. It's just amazing how he takes credit when things go well but you make an excuse every time he looks bad.

You're just a hypocrite who was bashing Bush at every turn.


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Posted: 3/11/2012 9:27:59 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by esplanade:



That's just because your perspective is so skewed....what with your head jammed up obama's behind and all.

Today is nice and sunny....hail obama.

Remember the fish rots from the head. It's just amazing how he takes credit when things go well but you make an excuse every time he looks bad.

You're just a hypocrite who was bashing Bush at every turn.



Definitely not. You can find me in another thread recently updated in this forum saying the last 11 years of American politics have been awful. That includes both Presidents from both sides of the spectrum. 

I'm on the Ron Paul bandwagon and I'm really, really hoping the GOP is smart enough to nominate him. Problem is the GOP doesn't exactly have a great reputation for nominating intelligent candidates(see Bush). 

I wouldn't call myself a Republican or Democrat, just a guy that would vote for the best candidate. That guy is Ron Paul. 

However, if the GOP is dumb enough to nominate Rick Santorum.....well then I guess I can live through another four years of Barack. 

I just refuse to blindly place the blame for everything that is currently wrong with this country on the Obama with out holding Bush responsible for what went on during his 8 years. Because Bush's policies are still effecting are country to this day. Just like four years from now, win or lose, some of Obama's policies will be effecting us. 

And I will be in here placing some of the blame on Obama as well should Romney, Santorum, or Paul win(please 6lb 8oz Baby Jesus let it be Paul). 
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Posted: 3/11/2012 9:29:15 PM

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Posted: 3/12/2012 8:42:11 AM

I assume you lefties will blame obama for this, right?

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Surely you're joking. They only blame the President for things like 9-11 and Abu Ghraib when the President is a Republican.

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Posted: 3/12/2012 10:49:05 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

I assume you lefties will blame obama for this, right?

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Surely you're joking. They only blame the President for things like 9-11 and Abu Ghraib when the President is a Republican.


Look no further than post #6 for proof that your blind partisan stupidity is just that, and your egotistical claims are simply false...

Yep, that's right. Somehow you're so ignorant, you post irrelevant partisan rhetoric that is literally proven false the second you hit 'submit.'

Just give up, you've managed to make yourself even more of a joke than esplanade, and considering the example of a typical esplanade interaction above, I can't believe that's even possible.

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Posted: 3/12/2012 10:52:28 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

i find the analogy of crediting the president for killing high profile terrorists and blaming them for unplanned individual criminal acts to be stupid.  i assume that killing bin laden involved an order from people higher up along with analysis, decision making, training, planning, etc.  whomever was involved in any aspect of that should get credit.  whomever wasn't, shouldn't.   i'm also assuming this was a spontaneous, unplanned criminal act that had little to do with this guy's superiors.  the two events seem completely unrelated.  therefore, the comparisons are stupid. 

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Posted: 3/12/2012 10:53:25 AM

Somehow you're so ignorant, you post irrelevant partisan rhetoric that is literally proven false the second you hit 'submit.'

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Except you didn't "prove anything false" given that:

A. You're not American

B. I could cite countless examples of American leftists blaming Bush for 9-11 and for Abu Ghraib.

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and your egotistical claims are simply false...

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See above.

Your beclowning is complete.

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Posted: 3/12/2012 10:56:34 AM

I believe Obama is going to apologize and bow to Hamid Karzai i at 3pm today...

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Posted: 3/12/2012 11:15:37 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

I believe Obama is going to apologize and bow to Hamid Karzai i at 3pm today...


I think this fiasco deserves an apology from Obama to the Afghani people after all you're the guys who are supposed to be looking after them and "Liberating" them from the oh so terrible Taliban. The Quran burning issue did not require an apology though otherwise Hamid Karzai would have to apologize every time a US helicopter gets shot down If you get my drift.
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Posted: 3/12/2012 11:50:03 AM
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Posted: 3/12/2012 12:09:27 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Somehow you're so ignorant, you post irrelevant partisan rhetoric that is literally proven false the second you hit 'submit.'

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Except you didn't "prove anything false" given that:

A. You're not American

B. I could cite countless examples of American leftists blaming Bush for 9-11 and for Abu Ghraib.

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and your egotistical claims are simply false...

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See above.

Your beclowning is complete.


Someone tell this douche bag you don't have to be an American to be left wing or to criticize the US President.


Give it up already...  

"beclowning"  

Get over yourself. 
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Posted: 3/12/2012 12:28:06 PM
Someone tell this douche bag you don't have to be an American to be left wing or to criticize the US President.
 
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Um, that isn't what I said.
 
But you keep on flailing.
 
Really, you should.
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