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I understand what the Union is proposing about royalties and what not, but the Union is only thinking about the Union and nobody else.......
 
Right now TV is dominated by reality shows and game shows neither of which require writing.....You expect to support your writer Union when you TV schnubs come out with new TV programing such as Cavemen, Carpoolers, Big Bang Theory and Back To You.........Gimme a break...These shows are nowhere near the caliber of writting that we had some 5 to 10 years ago....In fact, they are going to be cancelling some of those shows if not all of them.....
 
Not sure if the Union checked the Nielson Ratings lately, but 3 of the top 5 shows have nothing to do with writing.....In fact, Dancing with the Stars is at number one......Now don't get me wrong there are some good shows out there that I will be sad to have impacted, but quite frankly I could do without Greys Anatomy and Despearate Housewives......There little whinning sniviling asses on the pickett lines have ill effect on me.......
 
TV is being overrun by reality......For God's sake, Shaq even had a reality TV show about over weight kids.....You don't have to like it, but the truth is that these writers are not doing a very good job if new programs can not make it....Of course now they want additional royalties now.......
 
What happened to the good ol' days of good TV writting.....Hell, even Saturday Night Live has drastically declined.........What happened to the good shows like Seinfield, Friends, Frasier, Cheers, Married With Children, King of Queens, The X Files, etc......
 
Nowadays is a complete joke......I for one will only miss a couple of the new shows, but I won't mind watching re-runs of some of the older shows as they still keep me entertained because they were good......This new shit is rediculous.........
 
I really don't care if they are right or wrong about receiveng royalties, but I can tell oyu that they need to step up their game.....I saw fucking Jay Leno bringing those bastards donuts the other day and thought to my self, why can't this idiot write his own shit for a change....How difficult could it be......If he can't do it then fire him and find someone that can.........
 
I don't know, but that's just my view on this shit........
 
 
 
 
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I usually dont read post that are longer than 2 lines but you make a great point my friend.
 
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Great post.
 
I'm in the TV industry, (not a writer) and I can tell you that it's affecting more people than the public knows.  I have a friend who works on a huge nightly talk show, and they told her that if the writers are still on strike by the end of next week, my friend is losing their job. 
 
Also, when the writers went on strike in the '80's, Johnny Carson wrote all of his own jokes.  The fact is that it costs as much to produce 5 episodes of Dancing With the Stars than 1 episode of Grey's Anatomy.  Believe me, the network execs aren't crying right now.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by fatwifehaver:

I usually dont read post that are longer than 2 lines ........

Unless its about something important like TV?  Just kidding (kinda).

I don't watch any sitcoms or dramas and I'm not exaggerating, therefore the strike means nothing to me.  Although, just for the record, I'm pro-union.

 
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your post is extremely naive.  It is the network executives that have watered down TV.  How many shows did they put on the air trying to be like Seinfeld?
 
All these executives want is the safe, non-offensive product that will sell ad time and make them a higher executive than they already are.  Same issue is currently at work in the music industry...cookie cutter product.
 
the last thing the TV executives want is a risky program that more likely than not will fail to register with a large audience.
 
Writers are just giving the executives what they want...which for the most part is bland, mildly interesting TV
 
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boo shut up & get back to work i want the View back
 
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You should start writing television.  You know, become a scab.

But the question is, will the actors be able to follow the scripts.

How does one pronounce Despearate?
 
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The whole reality show sounds great and all but here is the problem, when Millionaire first came out it was a huge success so they put it on 2 nights a week instead of one right away. Very quickly they went from 3 nights to 4 nights a week. Ratings were unreal at first but the overexposure made the show lose all of it's steam very fast. Same thing happened to deal or no deal. Reality shows are great for a while but when they start showing them multiple times per week the public gets tired of them fast, the exception is american idol. Hollywood needs writers, a bunch of reality shows won't cut it.
 
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As a person that watches mostly sports, news and more sports, I don't sympathize with the Writers.  They are getting paid for writing that drivel, are they not?  Most of us just get paid for what we do, one time.  Greed is ugly.  If network TV died there would not be too many mourners.
 
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Yeah, the studios need the money more.  That rich kid whose dad got him a executive position at Warner Bros after flunking out of college needs the money than some writer whose trying to support his family and keep employed.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by MuEagles79:

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your post is extremely naive.  It is the network executives that have watered down TV.  How many shows did they put on the air trying to be like Seinfeld?
 
All these executives want is the safe, non-offensive product that will sell ad time and make them a higher executive than they already are.  Same issue is currently at work in the music industry...cookie cutter product.
 
the last thing the TV executives want is a risky program that more likely than not will fail to register with a large audience.
 
Writers are just giving the executives what they want...which for the most part is bland, mildly interesting TV

Not sure I am naive about the sublect, but if that's your observation than so be it....

I believe that the writers are the people pushing these new shows in front of the Executives....The writers claim that they can write a show about Cavemen let's say and then they prop this idea in front of the Executives and they either okay it or not.....The Executives are not coming up with the idea about a show about Cavemen......At that point the writers and producers of the production need to make it sucessful not the Execs........That starts with the writting.........

Let's be honest, are the TV vierwers watching shows beacause they are safe and non-offensive.....I don't think so........Of course the Execs. want to sell ad time, that generates revenue and must always be in the forefront........This is one of their main objectives......Sell ads........Ads will be sold if the airtime it falls under is good or decent TV.......In that case the ads pretty much sell themselves......Take the show Lost for instance......Damn good show, very popular, good writing, good producing and an influx of commercial ads......All good in TV land with this show.......

I use this Cavemen show as to set an example....They took what was a great idea for a commercial ad and tried to make a sitcom out of it.......Now which ever Exec. okayed that project is an idiot, but I'm sure the writers or creator of the show sold it to them well and right now is failing miserably.....This show will be cut along with several others........

Are the writers really giving Executives what they want? I'm not sure either of us can determine the validity of that.....It's about the public viewing and not what Executives like...........If the writing of these shows was better then they might have a chance to make it, but it seems as though the entire concept is wrong......

I think most of us can best see this example with Saturday Night Live.....This used to be a show that set the foundation for great writing not good or average writing......They had the beset of the best on there show in it's peak, but we can all admit that this show is going or has gone down hill.....SNL is an icon in the entertainment industry and they are struggling right now big time........Why?.....Writing Writing, Writing..............

The writers nowadays are pathetic........Thus introducing the era of reality TV........You don't have to like, but it's the truth......People like reality shit........Americon Idol, Survivor, Amazing Race and Who Want's To Be A Millonare are all shows that have now been on for the last 7-10 years or so.........Why?.......The public likes it.........

Here's my last point about this........I could find a shit load of people that want to watch hair on my ass grow than those who want to watch another damn episode of Cavemen............... 

 

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What occurs most of the time in the industry is an executive sees a commercial like the Cavemen for Geico and says..."hey, we could make a TV show out of this and hook the young, hip folk out there".  From there, he(most of the time) has one of his underlyings contact the agent(if they have one) for the writers of the commercial and tell them....write a pilot based on the characters of this sketch. 
 
So your premise that the writers of the Cavemen commercials went to the executives with the idea for a show is probably wrong and therefore you entire point is wrong.
 
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What occurs most of the time in the industry is an executive sees a commercial like the Cavemen for Geico and says..."hey, we could make a TV show out of this and hook the young, hip folk out there".  From there, he(most of the time) has one of his underlyings contact the agent(if they have one) for the writers of the commercial and tell them....write a pilot based on the characters of this sketch. 
 
So your premise that the writers of the Cavemen commercials went to the executives with the idea for a show is probably wrong and therefore you entire point is wrong.
 
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Is there a single good comedy on network TV right now?  Some of the dramas are OK, but the day of the sitcom is dead.
 
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Writing isn't easy.  And Nightmare, although I do agree with most of your points, I can see it doesn't come easy for you either.
 
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Ohhhhhh good one.....
 
 
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Writers don't come up with ideas for shows.  That is the job of the Executive Producer, who thinks up an idea for a show and pitches it to the studio who makes a pilot epsiode which is then shopped to the networks.  The writers job is to come up with scripts for the show, and then to do all the rewrites necessary as the show is taped during the week.

Most of the problem IMO is with the Networks.  All of the executives are 30 years old, and have little talent.  They mostly greenlight shows based on a star actor or if the show is similar to an already successful show.

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