The DJIA closes over 14,000 today, without one bit of fundamental info to support such a valuation.
Looks like the inflation monster is finally taking the field. With 97$ crude oil, the DOW rally up to 14000 and the dollar index (DX) testing last year's low value area around 79 even, there is little doubt now which direction we are heading.
Everybody has been calling for a financial collapse in the US for nearly 5 years now, and I hate sounding like those doomsday hermit crabs.....but facts are facts, and the inflation/hyperinflation scenario is setting up for the near future.
Currently, it looks like 2013 is the year that inflation takes hold, the FED raises the prime interest rates in response, and we see a further tightening on commercial lending.....and a basic end to any real wealth creation that may be occurring.
Congrats to everbody whom went long after the 2008 sell-off of the DOW. I remember reading a few guys on here that bought hard around 7000ish in attempt to guess a bottom....hope they stayed in to reap the rewards.
For the rest of us, this is a tough scenario. Better find a few good prop bets for Sunday's big game.
Never Make A Winner A Loser. Never.
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The DJIA closes over 14,000 today, without one bit of fundamental info to support such a valuation.
Looks like the inflation monster is finally taking the field. With 97$ crude oil, the DOW rally up to 14000 and the dollar index (DX) testing last year's low value area around 79 even, there is little doubt now which direction we are heading.
Everybody has been calling for a financial collapse in the US for nearly 5 years now, and I hate sounding like those doomsday hermit crabs.....but facts are facts, and the inflation/hyperinflation scenario is setting up for the near future.
Currently, it looks like 2013 is the year that inflation takes hold, the FED raises the prime interest rates in response, and we see a further tightening on commercial lending.....and a basic end to any real wealth creation that may be occurring.
Congrats to everbody whom went long after the 2008 sell-off of the DOW. I remember reading a few guys on here that bought hard around 7000ish in attempt to guess a bottom....hope they stayed in to reap the rewards.
For the rest of us, this is a tough scenario. Better find a few good prop bets for Sunday's big game.
So I have one question for Bulls now that we are at an all time high on the market.
Are we better off now then a couple months before the financial collapse? The answer is, HELL NO.
This is just another bubble that's gonna pop even worse then before.
I am not sure I have talked to a genuine Bull on anything since the housing debacle.
Unemployment is high.....not many have any equity left in their homes. That is my biggest question; Where is all of the buying coming from?? Who is buying into the US economy right now?
The answer is no one from the US....I guess I could believe that the banking and Chinese interests are propping up the market as a way to protect themselves from losing on the potential default on government T-bonds.....but the inflation scenario is a more probable culprit in my opinion.
Are there any real "bulls" out there? Is anybody willing to go long at this point?
Never Make A Winner A Loser. Never.
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Quote Originally Posted by JEFFMARKETCAP:
So I have one question for Bulls now that we are at an all time high on the market.
Are we better off now then a couple months before the financial collapse? The answer is, HELL NO.
This is just another bubble that's gonna pop even worse then before.
I am not sure I have talked to a genuine Bull on anything since the housing debacle.
Unemployment is high.....not many have any equity left in their homes. That is my biggest question; Where is all of the buying coming from?? Who is buying into the US economy right now?
The answer is no one from the US....I guess I could believe that the banking and Chinese interests are propping up the market as a way to protect themselves from losing on the potential default on government T-bonds.....but the inflation scenario is a more probable culprit in my opinion.
Are there any real "bulls" out there? Is anybody willing to go long at this point?
IMO - The market will continue to rally as the US will continue to print money and inflation will continue to take hold on staple products. The money you make in the markets will be offset by every day living costs.
Dow today is the same as it was in 2007, yet price of gas is up 50+%.
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IMO - The market will continue to rally as the US will continue to print money and inflation will continue to take hold on staple products. The money you make in the markets will be offset by every day living costs.
Dow today is the same as it was in 2007, yet price of gas is up 50+%.
I am not sure I have talked to a genuine Bull on anything since the housing debacle.
Unemployment is high.....not many have any equity left in their homes. That is my biggest question; Where is all of the buying coming from?? Who is buying into the US economy right now?
The answer is no one from the US....I guess I could believe that the banking and Chinese interests are propping up the market as a way to protect themselves from losing on the potential default on government T-bonds.....but the inflation scenario is a more probable culprit in my opinion.
Are there any real "bulls" out there? Is anybody willing to go long at this point?
I'm absolutely bullish on the market right now. I will scale back a little when we cross 15,000. I that point the retail market will be back in, chasing yet again.
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Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:
I am not sure I have talked to a genuine Bull on anything since the housing debacle.
Unemployment is high.....not many have any equity left in their homes. That is my biggest question; Where is all of the buying coming from?? Who is buying into the US economy right now?
The answer is no one from the US....I guess I could believe that the banking and Chinese interests are propping up the market as a way to protect themselves from losing on the potential default on government T-bonds.....but the inflation scenario is a more probable culprit in my opinion.
Are there any real "bulls" out there? Is anybody willing to go long at this point?
I'm absolutely bullish on the market right now. I will scale back a little when we cross 15,000. I that point the retail market will be back in, chasing yet again.
Stocks still very undervalued. All the "the economy is terrible" folks don't understand the stock market at all. 15,000 easy this year, but there will be a pullback here at some point, probably soon, for the traders. I feel pity for the idiots that pulled everything out a few years back waiting for the economy to get better, and are still waiting.
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Stocks still very undervalued. All the "the economy is terrible" folks don't understand the stock market at all. 15,000 easy this year, but there will be a pullback here at some point, probably soon, for the traders. I feel pity for the idiots that pulled everything out a few years back waiting for the economy to get better, and are still waiting.
I'm absolutely bullish on the market right now. I will scale back a little when we cross 15,000. I that point the retail market will be back in, chasing yet again.
And you may very well be correct. The DJIA could easily climb to 15000 and above. My point is that the fundamentals are not there to encourage anyone that long-term economic growth in the US is a remote possibility.
In my humble opinion this is a paper rally...when the flow of new paper from the FED stops, then the rally is over. The resulting selloff will be quick and large.
That being said, no reason not to capitalize on your view of the market.
I am curious though, what is your rationale for being long from 14000? Is it fundamental in nature, or do you believe that we have enough upward momentum to hit a 15000 or so?
Not being arguementative here, just curious. Best of luck with your trades.
Never Make A Winner A Loser. Never.
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Quote Originally Posted by gfinger:
I'm absolutely bullish on the market right now. I will scale back a little when we cross 15,000. I that point the retail market will be back in, chasing yet again.
And you may very well be correct. The DJIA could easily climb to 15000 and above. My point is that the fundamentals are not there to encourage anyone that long-term economic growth in the US is a remote possibility.
In my humble opinion this is a paper rally...when the flow of new paper from the FED stops, then the rally is over. The resulting selloff will be quick and large.
That being said, no reason not to capitalize on your view of the market.
I am curious though, what is your rationale for being long from 14000? Is it fundamental in nature, or do you believe that we have enough upward momentum to hit a 15000 or so?
Not being arguementative here, just curious. Best of luck with your trades.
I do think we continue to rally till about when 1st qtr earnings are reported. People are tight on the budget and that 2% less in their checks is gonna have a huge affect on the economy and earnings. Also have the debt ceiling can that they kicked down the road.
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I do think we continue to rally till about when 1st qtr earnings are reported. People are tight on the budget and that 2% less in their checks is gonna have a huge affect on the economy and earnings. Also have the debt ceiling can that they kicked down the road.
Stocks still very undervalued. All the "the economy is terrible" folks don't understand the stock market at all. 15,000 easy this year, but there will be a pullback here at some point, probably soon, for the traders. I feel pity for the idiots that pulled everything out a few years back waiting for the economy to get better, and are still waiting.
Rookie market call amd low blow of the year award winning comment. Wow.
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
Stocks still very undervalued. All the "the economy is terrible" folks don't understand the stock market at all. 15,000 easy this year, but there will be a pullback here at some point, probably soon, for the traders. I feel pity for the idiots that pulled everything out a few years back waiting for the economy to get better, and are still waiting.
Rookie market call amd low blow of the year award winning comment. Wow.
same ride the last handful of yrs. 1st q profits strong like bull. generates entire yearly gains. then the rest of the yr is spent going up and down until resting where the 1st q ended...
gas has been the same since 07 basicly. just fluctuates back and forth during the same time periods of the yr. mentally im just still at $4 a gallon avg. everything below that mark is just a blessing.
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same ride the last handful of yrs. 1st q profits strong like bull. generates entire yearly gains. then the rest of the yr is spent going up and down until resting where the 1st q ended...
gas has been the same since 07 basicly. just fluctuates back and forth during the same time periods of the yr. mentally im just still at $4 a gallon avg. everything below that mark is just a blessing.
The FED is not going to raise interest rates anytime soon (i.e. within the next 2 years), at least not raise them substantially.
The larger problem is the stagnating middle (and lower) class wage. As long as the dollar continues to lose its buying power ('raises' and starting salaries at jobs are far outpaced by inflation) for 95% of Americans whose net worth and net income continue to decline, the driving force behind economic expansion, consumer spending, will not be sufficient.
That results in the continuing trend of low consumer confidence.
And when big investors start running for the hills at the first market dip, I agree the sell-off will be major.
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The FED is not going to raise interest rates anytime soon (i.e. within the next 2 years), at least not raise them substantially.
The larger problem is the stagnating middle (and lower) class wage. As long as the dollar continues to lose its buying power ('raises' and starting salaries at jobs are far outpaced by inflation) for 95% of Americans whose net worth and net income continue to decline, the driving force behind economic expansion, consumer spending, will not be sufficient.
That results in the continuing trend of low consumer confidence.
And when big investors start running for the hills at the first market dip, I agree the sell-off will be major.
ANY raise in the interest rate by the FED will send a big message to everyone whom is listening...once rates begin to rise they do not retreat in short order, and this summer the FED could easily move to tighten up monetary policy for the US in an attempt to look fiscally responsible to the international community (creditors).
That is some bad news for anyone running a small business or risking capital in a speculative venture. These are the people that are being targeted for extinction in the current economic landscape.
I do agree that the wages, in concert with buying power decrease, are going to hammer the working class.
Never Make A Winner A Loser. Never.
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ANY raise in the interest rate by the FED will send a big message to everyone whom is listening...once rates begin to rise they do not retreat in short order, and this summer the FED could easily move to tighten up monetary policy for the US in an attempt to look fiscally responsible to the international community (creditors).
That is some bad news for anyone running a small business or risking capital in a speculative venture. These are the people that are being targeted for extinction in the current economic landscape.
I do agree that the wages, in concert with buying power decrease, are going to hammer the working class.
I am not sure I have talked to a genuine Bull on anything since the housing debacle.
Unemployment is high.....not many have any equity left in their homes. That is my biggest question; Where is all of the buying coming from?? Who is buying into the US economy right now?
The answer is no one from the US....I guess I could believe that the banking and Chinese interests are propping up the market as a way to protect themselves from losing on the potential default on government T-bonds.....but the inflation scenario is a more probable culprit in my opinion.
Are there any real "bulls" out there? Is anybody willing to go long at this point?
I am not bullish, but Mutual Funds and ETFs took in $32B in the month of January.. That is the most intake for a month... Ever !!!
The mop-and-pop retail investor are buying back into this market hard..
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Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:
I am not sure I have talked to a genuine Bull on anything since the housing debacle.
Unemployment is high.....not many have any equity left in their homes. That is my biggest question; Where is all of the buying coming from?? Who is buying into the US economy right now?
The answer is no one from the US....I guess I could believe that the banking and Chinese interests are propping up the market as a way to protect themselves from losing on the potential default on government T-bonds.....but the inflation scenario is a more probable culprit in my opinion.
Are there any real "bulls" out there? Is anybody willing to go long at this point?
I am not bullish, but Mutual Funds and ETFs took in $32B in the month of January.. That is the most intake for a month... Ever !!!
The mop-and-pop retail investor are buying back into this market hard..
What does this mean for someone who is making 40k a year, saving near nothing except for a measly 5% into a 401k, and the rest of their money is tied up in bills like a car that is too expensive, an apartment with no redeeming value, and student loans?
Shall I be optimistic about the fact that I have no real investments and therefore nothing to lose, or should I just expect to lose my job and move from lower-middle class to absolute poverty?
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What does this mean for someone who is making 40k a year, saving near nothing except for a measly 5% into a 401k, and the rest of their money is tied up in bills like a car that is too expensive, an apartment with no redeeming value, and student loans?
Shall I be optimistic about the fact that I have no real investments and therefore nothing to lose, or should I just expect to lose my job and move from lower-middle class to absolute poverty?
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