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I_Need_A_Detox PM I_Need_A_Detox
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Posted: 7/18/2012 2:33:50 AM

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Posted: 7/18/2012 10:02:48 AM
That's what happens during War.
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Posted: 7/18/2012 10:02:58 AM
Pretty crazy
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Posted: 7/18/2012 10:16:59 AM
You darn with a bull you get the horns!
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Posted: 7/18/2012 10:38:40 AM
USA! USA! USA! USA!
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Posted: 7/18/2012 11:34:44 AM
let's make that video under 2 minutes and it will get another view from me...
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Posted: 7/18/2012 12:32:33 PM

Few things:

1. These pilots are trained to stay calm. The beginning portion mentions how these guys showed little emotion or whatever. What do you think happens out there? You think they kill enemy personnel and then cry about it while flying around in their multi-million dollar Apache? When helicopters are shot down, you should hear how the pilots sound as they send a report that they are "going down." I show more emotion watching a ball game on my couch. These guys are trained professionals.

2. The Apache pilots have to request permission to shoot and only then can they engage. They send a report up to higher and based on the report the ground Commander received, he gave the authorization to engage. Yes, the idiot idiot had a camera and to the pilot about 2300 meters away, it looked like a weapon.

3. This wasnt some friendly suburban neighborhood. A historically hot area with military-aged males gathering together. That usually spells trouble. That, combined with the observation of small-armed weapons and RPG's led to this engagement.

4. Once enemy dudes are hit, they start gathering the bodies and what not. That is a prime target to take out the rest. The pilots thought that they were firing at enemy dudes who were wounded and trying to get away. Do you think when a pilot shoots a 30mm round at a dude, he is trying to hurt them and then take him prisoner? Every round fired is meant for death.

Not sure what the big deal about this video is. Civilians are sometimes killed on accident in war (on both sides). I'm still not certain that these dudes were innocent. Some Iraqi dude with a camera does not constitute a friendly. Read the paper, Afghan and Iraqi soldiers killed a garbage-ton of US troops after turning on them.

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Posted: 7/18/2012 12:48:42 PM
who gives a garbage?

465 million watched this piece of garbage


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Posted: 7/18/2012 1:11:27 PM
I respect our military. If I see them out and about i'll stop to shake their hand and thank them for their service etc. I understand that they have an extremely difficult job.

When i see videos like this it makes me think that the United States spent 3 trillion dollars on a war that killed a bunch of terrorists but created many more in the process.

Do we have less enemies today than we had in the early 2000's?






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Posted: 7/18/2012 1:33:45 PM
Iraq has never committed any aggression against the United States.

It's estimated that over 100,000 civilian deaths have resulted from this conflict. 2003-2012

$3,000,000,000,000.00 has been spent.

We have more enemies today than ever before.
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Posted: 7/18/2012 3:00:41 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Irish08:

Few things:

1. These pilots are trained to stay calm. The beginning portion mentions how these guys showed little emotion or whatever. What do you think happens out there? You think they kill enemy personnel and then cry about it while flying around in their multi-million dollar Apache? When helicopters are shot down, you should hear how the pilots sound as they send a report that they are "going down." I show more emotion watching a ball game on my couch. These guys are trained professionals.

2. The Apache pilots have to request permission to shoot and only then can they engage. They send a report up to higher and based on the report the ground Commander received, he gave the authorization to engage. Yes, the idiot idiot had a camera and to the pilot about 2300 meters away, it looked like a weapon.

3. This wasnt some friendly suburban neighborhood. A historically hot area with military-aged males gathering together. That usually spells trouble. That, combined with the observation of small-armed weapons and RPG's led to this engagement.

4. Once enemy dudes are hit, they start gathering the bodies and what not. That is a prime target to take out the rest. The pilots thought that they were firing at enemy dudes who were wounded and trying to get away. Do you think when a pilot shoots a 30mm round at a dude, he is trying to hurt them and then take him prisoner? Every round fired is meant for death.

Not sure what the big deal about this video is. Civilians are sometimes killed on accident in war (on both sides). I'm still not certain that these dudes were innocent. Some Iraqi dude with a camera does not constitute a friendly. Read the paper, Afghan and Iraqi soldiers killed a garbage-ton of US troops after turning on them.


Have a great deal of respect for the men and women in the military but can't agree with some of your thinking here. "Some Iraqi dude with a camera does not constitute a friendly."  Well nor does it constitute a hostile.  "Yes, the idiot had a camera".....why exactly is this guy an idiot?  
I appreciate life and death decisions have to be made in seconds with very little information.  Just don't understand some of your after the fact comments when there is more time to examine exactly what transpired.  Hopefully there is still compassion for innocents who get killed during war.
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Posted: 7/18/2012 4:31:10 PM
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Posted: 7/18/2012 5:30:59 PM
The cut and edit of the video proved that Wikileaks has an agenda.  What they won't tell you is that the reason that the Apache helicopters are there in the first place is because there is a fierce firefight going on in that very neighborhood.  Also, you can clearly see that the cameramen are traveling with a group of MAMs holding AK-47s and RPGs. 

Anybody that has experience in Iraq will tell you that if there is a firefight, everybody in the neighborhood that is not involved is holed up inside their house.  They are not taking a lieserly stroll through the neighborhood carrying AK-47s and RPGs.  These guys were obviously involved in the firefight looking for more to kill.  The cameramen were there to get the story from the insurgent side of the war.  Sorry, but that is the risk you take.
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Posted: 7/18/2012 5:43:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Bling:

The cut and edit of the video proved that Wikileaks has an agenda.  What they won't tell you is that the reason that the Apache helicopters are there in the first place is because there is a fierce firefight going on in that very neighborhood.  Also, you can clearly see that the cameramen are traveling with a group of MAMs holding AK-47s and RPGs. 

Anybody that has experience in Iraq will tell you that if there is a firefight, everybody in the neighborhood that is not involved is holed up inside their house.  They are not taking a lieserly stroll through the neighborhood carrying AK-47s and RPGs.  These guys were obviously involved in the firefight looking for more to kill.  The cameramen were there to get the story from the insurgent side of the war.  Sorry, but that is the risk you take.

Thanks for the added info.  Did the military recover weapons from the deceased?  
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Posted: 7/18/2012 6:21:48 PM
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Posted: 7/18/2012 6:56:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Allbutbroke:


Thanks for the added info.  Did the military recover weapons from the deceased?  
Not sure if there was a BDA after the incident.
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:12:26 PM
war is war but this def sucks
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:14:40 PM
Murder is murder.

Sad world we live in. Laughing as they snuff out a couple of kids.
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:28:45 PM

iraq did? not attack you

and your troops are the terrorists attacking third world countries for oil and hiding in choppers

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My guess would be that there is millions and millions of people that think like that ^. And videos like this don't help. The perception that it creates is terrible.

If we didn't attack Iraq for oil ... then why did we attack?

Did the US troops that died in Iraq even know what they died fighting for? 

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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:30:20 PM
no idea why that came out like that ^ ..
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:47:31 PM
i have been tryin to say this garbage all along 


all of it is part of a even bigger chess game many minds cant even come close to grasping in the slightest 
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:50:26 PM
what happened in Iraq is king of like my neighbor throwing dog feces in my face so in retaliation I go down the block and blow up the gas station instead of my neighbor. There was no reason for us to  be there (except oil and Bush Jr finishing what Bush Sr started )


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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:51:05 PM
what happened in Iraq is KIND of like....


is what I meant to say above
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Posted: 7/18/2012 8:17:49 PM
WikiLeaks  sucks...
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Posted: 7/18/2012 11:28:30 PM

The tone in my post was that way because I'm simply fed up. After a single tour in Iraq and two in Afghanistan, I've gone above and beyond to get through to the people there and the overall success is very limited because both the Afghans and Iraqis are lazy and weak people.

Why did I call the camera guy an idiot? Simple. Because he is an absolute idiot. That's what happens when you chase insurgents around with a camera in the middle of a hot-bed neighborhood with Apache helicopters blantantly flying around in circles. It has nothing to do with the fact that he is an Iraqi. I spent hours in sporadic and scary firefights providing security for an American news anchor who was hit by an IED and was nearly killed (Woodruff).

I'm not going to be nice and pleasent because its the nice and pleasent thing to do. The people of Afghanistan (and I'll single them out because we are still there) are ungrateful, lazy sacks of garbage for the most part. That being said, I see flares of potential with their Army and some civilians who have the brains to see that living without the Taliban is a good thing.

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