Scholarly articles about the effects of atmospheric conditions on pitchers

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Posted: 7/16/2017 8:45:42 PM
Anybody care to read some texts with big words?

http://itg1.meteor.wisc.edu/wxwise/AckermanKnox/chap6/fly_ball.html

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2014-SSAC-Effects-of-Atmospheric-Conditions-on-Pitchers.pdf


Conclusions for the lazy thinker: Expect quality from power hitters in Coors (high altitude = low air density) and Expect the opposite from finesse pitchers in Coors (high altitude/low air density mitigates the effectivity of breaking pitches)

This is why Colorado stockpiles power pitchers and power hitters.
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Posted: 7/16/2017 8:49:39 PM
I am asking sbr to be able to do a bonus article on this as I think it's very useful and there is obviously more info out there than what I posted. Also the "fachwörter" (for German speakers) can perhaps be a bit overwhelming.
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Posted: 7/16/2017 8:53:49 PM
*low air density creates less friction with which to slow down the flight of a long, fly ball
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Posted: 7/16/2017 9:15:54 PM
after all the years in colorado, you think this article somehow shows people how to bet games there? No thanks. Dont like all these articles and big insights....its all garbage. But good luck if you choose to follow it and in promoting your sites
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Posted: 7/16/2017 10:01:45 PM
What's garbage about it? It provides a reason to fade pitchers in Colorado who are finesse, among other things. It's scholarly work, grounded in solid scientific research. It is not meant to "tell" people to bet one thing or another, obviously a solid finesde pitcher will probably do better there than a garbage power pitcher. But it does provide some insights that are useful to capping. I am not trying to promote anything besides better capping and your negative is unwarranted
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Posted: 7/16/2017 10:29:47 PM
How has Dickey ever fared there?
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Posted: 7/16/2017 10:32:37 PM
yeah but you act like this is something new lol like colorado is a new place to play and all this info will suddenly help. Cmon, this isnt anything new at all. Like, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thats how we shd bet coors? nah, no thanks but good luck with how you pursue and use this. 
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Posted: 7/16/2017 10:33:02 PM
He has two career games vs Rockies, neither one in Coors
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Posted: 7/16/2017 10:35:18 PM
How often have you read that power pitchers create value in Coors, for instancd? People only equate Coors with high-scoring, without knowing why and the preferrable circumstances to do so. 
Hardly anything anyone says is new, I guess i'll see you in more threads. Are you stopthemadness??
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Posted: 7/16/2017 11:14:35 PM
Only casuals think any of that affects the outcome of games outside of rain delays that cancel games 
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Posted: 7/16/2017 11:22:22 PM
listen im not crushing your thoughts, to each his own. Im simply saying that youre acting like you reinvented the wheel and that youve unlocked some mystery to bet and win at coors. And im saying all that "info" is useless, thats all, nothing more. Not sure what that last part meant but im guessing because im new, yet have followed this forum for some time, im someone else, I do see that alot. But alas my friend, i think not. I simply dont believe in that stuff you wrote abt this and dont really go for all the writeups you do. But again, I wish you the best of luck this baseball season. 
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Posted: 7/16/2017 11:28:12 PM
as one user said this is garbage. how are these scholaryly articles suppose to give us insight? every pitcher is different. these "scholary articles" are as useful as me saying saying toilet paper is good to wipe your bum. 
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Posted: 7/16/2017 11:51:33 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by fadeaway123:

Only casuals think any of that affects the outcome of games outside of rain delays that cancel games 

If i'm trying to talk to a bunch of people who seriously think that weather and atmosphere don't affect games, then i'll take my thoughts elsewhere. I never clained to have the magic formula, only you claimed that I claimed that. Sheesh, what did you all start posting in this thread for if you're unable to recognize the significance of weather and atmosphere to capping? And all i'm saying is that these are factors to consider next to several other ones.

The way the travels in a sunny afternoon in Oakland, the way pitches don't break as well in high altitude, if you don't get why those things have importance, then i'm wasting my time. I'm guessing that academics wasn't your thing and that's fine, some people can win more often with hunches, maybe that's your game, it's not mine.

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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:26:14 AM
okayyyyyyyyyyyyyy we got doctor of baseball...we got it. Just cause you type it doesnt mean we have to agree with it. And can openly voice that here. And again, so what, you uncovered nothing. We all know weather matters, heat matters, cold matters, wind matters, finesse vs power matters, like, so what....we alllll know that already. Just cause we dont show algorithms or scientific data in our posts doesnt mean we dont factor things in lol. Anyway, time to go to bed, this is silly :) Wishing you a great week ahead doc
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:43:11 AM
What's silly is your having trolled this thread. If you're not interested, why even post anything? Why not hassle the million other users who start threads without substance. I bet not everyone knew that finesse pitchers have a harder time than power pitchers in Coors, for instance. I'm glad you already did, good job. 
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Posted: 7/17/2017 4:54:06 AM
Agree with you 100% Jag. People repeatedly posting in this thread to say they will ignore it?

It's not rocket science I agree but the stuff around less deviation is worth a second look. And yes, still more insightful than 95% of what gets posted here 
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Posted: 7/17/2017 5:04:35 AM
So  PJF, you like Rockies tomorrow? Perdomo seems like a finesse pitcher to me?
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Posted: 7/17/2017 8:03:24 AM
Perdomo is a power sinkerballer. This most especially applies to guys like Nola and Bauer who throw curveballs that are supposed to break a lot. They're more likely to hang in higher altitude.
But again, this isn't all-decisive, no one factor is.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 8:48:57 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by VincentVega349:

And im saying all that "info" is useless, thats all, nothing more. Not sure what that last part meant but im guessing because im new, yet have followed this forum for some time, im someone else, I do see that alot. But alas my friend, i think not. I simply dont believe in that stuff you wrote abt this and dont really go for all the writeups you do. But again, I wish you the best of luck this baseball season. 
"Scholarly article", "Anybody care to read some texts with big words?"

Doesn't sound like he is self proclaiming a new found awesome angle for Coors field and that he is sharing with us so that we all have the key to beat the books with this secret knowledge.

Is that how you read it? Seems to be so.

Bro with all due respect if you are familiar with this forum like you say you are we get questions all the time from noobs ("how do I bet RL vs ML?", "How do I bet -1 on a  RL when my book only offers -1½?"  and even stuff from people not totally familiar with the game asking about game fundementals - a post 3 weeks ago was titled "How do I bet baseball?" - you might have been working on your system and missed that one). 

Obviously in all of your time reading this forum you must have missed those posts where you could have helped someone and instead you seem to be attracted to the "useless" and "u reinvented the wheel and that youve unlocked some mystery" posts.

This info in this thread is very helpful to middle of the road bettors or guys who really know NFL and NBA and are just branching into something to bet on in the "off season" between June - Sept. Also the fact that a study was done,although adds little to those savy bettors is at the least interesting.

Not everyone is the super savy professional old man gambler that you are, using your self proclaimed system of "Old Fashioned Knowledge and Intuition".

Back to the article even those who understand the dynamics of Coors field a little extra reading for those who choose to do so is on topic, adds to the forum and is a nice option.

Read it or not is up to you, but criticizing the poster is weak and adds nothing to a post that adds a lot - except to reveal something about yourself. 


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Posted: 7/17/2017 9:00:30 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ProudJagsfan:

Anybody care to read some texts with big words?

http://itg1.meteor.wisc.edu/wxwise/AckermanKnox/chap6/fly_ball.html

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2014-SSAC-Effects-of-Atmospheric-Conditions-on-Pitchers.pdf


Conclusions for the lazy thinker: Expect quality from power hitters in Coors (high altitude = low air density) and Expect the opposite from finesse pitchers in Coors (high altitude/low air density mitigates the effectivity of breaking pitches)

This is why Colorado stockpiles power pitchers and power hitters.

Thank you, for yet another contribution ProudJagsFan.Two minutes spent answering some negative person is two minutes too much that can be spent capping or any other productive endeavor. Keep up the great work.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 9:04:13 AM
Nothing new may be right, but it's one thing to know the factors and another to know how to use them. Maybe a sad analogy but I love analogies nonetheless... it's like a performance vehicle. Anyone can bolt on the parts and recite the brochure, but takes someone with the  understanding of how they work together to tune them best. 
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Posted: 7/17/2017 10:22:32 AM
So generally what is your pick for the game Rockies vs Padres ?
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:00:31 PM
I appreciate the kind words fellas.

And guys, something that everyone has missed here: this info about atmosphere isn't applicable only to Coors, it's applicable to every ballpark that has air in it. Coors is just the easiest example for illustration.

Zadi, I am not pretending to be an expert on all games at Coors. The groundball inclinations of both starters suggests value for 'under.' I have seen Perdomo pound the lower part of the strike zone effectively all game and do very well vs great hiting teams and I have seen him constantly leave pitches up in the zone and get hammered. If you want to look at Perdomo's history and enlighten us as to which Perdomo you think we'll get, then it'd be cool if you could report your findings.
I would trust Marquez more at his home ballpark Coors. The Rockies also have significantly better ops vs gb pitchers than the Padres and are 8th in woba vs the sinker and curve (Perdomo's two favorite pitches) while the Padres are last in woba vs Marquez' two most frequent pitches (fastball and curve). The line is not off imo, but the high run total set by oddsmakers creates for the favored team rl value due to the statistically more probable higher variance of score results
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:42:48 PM
Because it's not like others come onto to the forum to read about MLB betting right?  I liked the article even though I know weather affects the ball. As hoping to have a discussion about it instead I just see a poo throwing match. 
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:00:02 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by KongMing7:

Because it's not like others come onto to the forum to read about MLB betting right?  I liked the article even though I know weather affects the ball. As hoping to have a discussion about it instead I just see a poo throwing match
Not really. Sorry you read it that way. I get along with Mr Vega and he's just a guy who likes to bust balls and he's anti stat, anti system and anti analysis. 

Anyway it's all good - especially the article.


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