Last night the Tigers opened up as -121 favorites over the Indians. The ten games in a row winning, 12 out of 15 against CLE this year, Doug Fister pitching Detroit Tigers opened up as a low favorite. Guess what happened this morning. The line is now at -110. Fister is 5-3 with a 2.71 ERA lifetime against the Tribe. He was roughed up by the Indians his last start against them, but since that start he's 4-0 with a 1.29 ERA.
Danny Salazar? Who is that? I can get Detroit, one of the hottest teams in baseball who has owned their current opponent this year with a better pitcher on the mound FOR ALMOST EVEN MONEY
Take the Indians.
The books did this last night. Felix opened up as a -180 favorite against the human gas can Josh Johnson. Line quickly dropped to -158. Felix got lit up, the gas can Josh Johnson pitched 5 scoreless innings and the books slaughtered the masses by burning their Mariners tickets.
Last night the Tigers opened up as -121 favorites over the Indians. The ten games in a row winning, 12 out of 15 against CLE this year, Doug Fister pitching Detroit Tigers opened up as a low favorite. Guess what happened this morning. The line is now at -110. Fister is 5-3 with a 2.71 ERA lifetime against the Tribe. He was roughed up by the Indians his last start against them, but since that start he's 4-0 with a 1.29 ERA.
Danny Salazar? Who is that? I can get Detroit, one of the hottest teams in baseball who has owned their current opponent this year with a better pitcher on the mound FOR ALMOST EVEN MONEY
Take the Indians.
The books did this last night. Felix opened up as a -180 favorite against the human gas can Josh Johnson. Line quickly dropped to -158. Felix got lit up, the gas can Josh Johnson pitched 5 scoreless innings and the books slaughtered the masses by burning their Mariners tickets.
Last night the Tigers opened up as -121 favorites over the Indians. The ten games in a row winning, 12 out of 15 against CLE this year, Doug Fister pitching Detroit Tigers opened up as a low favorite. Guess what happened this morning. The line is now at -110. Fister is 5-3 with a 2.71 ERA lifetime against the Tribe. He was roughed up by the Indians his last start against them, but since that start he's 4-0 with a 1.29 ERA.
Danny Salazar? Who is that? I can get Detroit, one of the hottest teams in baseball who has owned their current opponent this year with a better pitcher on the mound FOR ALMOST EVEN MONEY
Take the Indians.
The books did this last night. Felix opened up as a -180 favorite against the human gas can Josh Johnson. Line quickly dropped to -158. Felix got lit up, the gas can Josh Johnson pitched 5 scoreless innings and the books slaughtered the masses by burning their Mariners tickets.
Lines don't lie.
Eh, not really. Lines aren't made to bait bettors. I got the Braves at plus money last night and they're on a huge streak of their own. That worked out. You don't always have to be a contrarian when you see line movement, every game is different. Also, Danny Salazar is a stud even though he's only got 1 career start under his belt: In his last 36 IP in AAA & one start in MLB, Danny Salazar of the
Indians has tossed 36 IP, allowed 3 earned & 16 hits w/ a 48:6 K:
ratio.
Right now I'm looking at Tigers -118 and Indians +108. Seems just about right to me.
Last night the Tigers opened up as -121 favorites over the Indians. The ten games in a row winning, 12 out of 15 against CLE this year, Doug Fister pitching Detroit Tigers opened up as a low favorite. Guess what happened this morning. The line is now at -110. Fister is 5-3 with a 2.71 ERA lifetime against the Tribe. He was roughed up by the Indians his last start against them, but since that start he's 4-0 with a 1.29 ERA.
Danny Salazar? Who is that? I can get Detroit, one of the hottest teams in baseball who has owned their current opponent this year with a better pitcher on the mound FOR ALMOST EVEN MONEY
Take the Indians.
The books did this last night. Felix opened up as a -180 favorite against the human gas can Josh Johnson. Line quickly dropped to -158. Felix got lit up, the gas can Josh Johnson pitched 5 scoreless innings and the books slaughtered the masses by burning their Mariners tickets.
Lines don't lie.
Eh, not really. Lines aren't made to bait bettors. I got the Braves at plus money last night and they're on a huge streak of their own. That worked out. You don't always have to be a contrarian when you see line movement, every game is different. Also, Danny Salazar is a stud even though he's only got 1 career start under his belt: In his last 36 IP in AAA & one start in MLB, Danny Salazar of the
Indians has tossed 36 IP, allowed 3 earned & 16 hits w/ a 48:6 K:
ratio.
Right now I'm looking at Tigers -118 and Indians +108. Seems just about right to me.
You're right, you don't ALWAYS have to be contrarian when you see line movement. Hence I didn't throw out every other game on the board who's line moved.
Yes you got the Braves at plus money, barely. And they did not have the better pitcher on the mound.
Hey you can get the Braves at plus money again today as well.
Salazar is a stud? 36 innings, most of which were in AAA, and we can label a guy a stud? Interesting. The problem is public perception. There is no way you are telling me that this line isn't inviting every public bettor to go the way of the Tigers.
The line should be Tigers -135 and Indians +120. I'm showing Tigers -110 and Indians +100.
You're right, you don't ALWAYS have to be contrarian when you see line movement. Hence I didn't throw out every other game on the board who's line moved.
Yes you got the Braves at plus money, barely. And they did not have the better pitcher on the mound.
Hey you can get the Braves at plus money again today as well.
Salazar is a stud? 36 innings, most of which were in AAA, and we can label a guy a stud? Interesting. The problem is public perception. There is no way you are telling me that this line isn't inviting every public bettor to go the way of the Tigers.
The line should be Tigers -135 and Indians +120. I'm showing Tigers -110 and Indians +100.
You're right, you don't ALWAYS have to be contrarian when you see line movement. Hence I didn't throw out every other game on the board who's line moved.
Yes you got the Braves at plus money, barely. And they did not have the better pitcher on the mound.
Hey you can get the Braves at plus money again today as well.
Salazar is a stud? 36 innings, most of which were in AAA, and we can label a guy a stud? Interesting. The problem is public perception. There is no way you are telling me that this line isn't inviting every public bettor to go the way of the Tigers.
The line should be Tigers -135 and Indians +120. I'm showing Tigers -110 and Indians +100.
Braves didn't have the best pitcher on the mound last night? Leaving Teheran's superior win/loss out of it, he has a 2.96 ERA with a 1.18 WHIP. Meanwhile Gonzalez's is 3.52 with 1.24 WHIP. Just because you may be more familiar with Gio Gonzalez's name does not mean he's the better pitcher. Yes, Salazar is a stud. Just because he has 1 start in the big leagues doesn't mean he isn't very good. He may lose tonight, still a terrific young pitcher.
Please elaborate why the line "should be" Tigers -135 and Indians +120? You have information on this game that Vegas doesn't or something? Laughable.
You're right, you don't ALWAYS have to be contrarian when you see line movement. Hence I didn't throw out every other game on the board who's line moved.
Yes you got the Braves at plus money, barely. And they did not have the better pitcher on the mound.
Hey you can get the Braves at plus money again today as well.
Salazar is a stud? 36 innings, most of which were in AAA, and we can label a guy a stud? Interesting. The problem is public perception. There is no way you are telling me that this line isn't inviting every public bettor to go the way of the Tigers.
The line should be Tigers -135 and Indians +120. I'm showing Tigers -110 and Indians +100.
Braves didn't have the best pitcher on the mound last night? Leaving Teheran's superior win/loss out of it, he has a 2.96 ERA with a 1.18 WHIP. Meanwhile Gonzalez's is 3.52 with 1.24 WHIP. Just because you may be more familiar with Gio Gonzalez's name does not mean he's the better pitcher. Yes, Salazar is a stud. Just because he has 1 start in the big leagues doesn't mean he isn't very good. He may lose tonight, still a terrific young pitcher.
Please elaborate why the line "should be" Tigers -135 and Indians +120? You have information on this game that Vegas doesn't or something? Laughable.
Line movements are made to get money moving in a different direction. 99% of the time that is ONLY done to balance out the books position.
Sportbooks are a HUGE business. They haven't gotten RICH by trying to goad the public a certain way, or by setting trap lines. The bottom line is THEY DON'T HAVE TO. They have an inherent edge with the lines, and given a large sample size will make money no matter what.
Line movements are made to get money moving in a different direction. 99% of the time that is ONLY done to balance out the books position.
Sportbooks are a HUGE business. They haven't gotten RICH by trying to goad the public a certain way, or by setting trap lines. The bottom line is THEY DON'T HAVE TO. They have an inherent edge with the lines, and given a large sample size will make money no matter what.
Braves didn't have the best pitcher on the mound last night? Leaving Teheran's superior win/loss out of it, he has a 2.96 ERA with a 1.18 WHIP. Meanwhile Gonzalez's is 3.52 with 1.24 WHIP. Just because you may be more familiar with Gio Gonzalez's name does not mean he's the better pitcher. Yes, Salazar is a stud. Just because he has 1 start in the big leagues doesn't mean he isn't very good. He may lose tonight, still a terrific young pitcher.
Please elaborate why the line "should be" Tigers -135 and Indians +120? You have information on this game that Vegas doesn't or something? Laughable.
Teheran is currently having a better season, but he is not the better pitcher. He can barely make it past 6 innings in any of his starts. I have him in fantasy baseball. It wasn't until the last month or so that he's turned it on. But I digress.
I gave you the information. The Tigers have won 12 of 15 against the Indians this year. The Tigers have won 10 games in a row. Doug Fister has great lifetime numbers against the Indians.
The line is off, and it's for a reason. Because the public is going to dump their money on Detroit and the Indians are going to win.
Braves didn't have the best pitcher on the mound last night? Leaving Teheran's superior win/loss out of it, he has a 2.96 ERA with a 1.18 WHIP. Meanwhile Gonzalez's is 3.52 with 1.24 WHIP. Just because you may be more familiar with Gio Gonzalez's name does not mean he's the better pitcher. Yes, Salazar is a stud. Just because he has 1 start in the big leagues doesn't mean he isn't very good. He may lose tonight, still a terrific young pitcher.
Please elaborate why the line "should be" Tigers -135 and Indians +120? You have information on this game that Vegas doesn't or something? Laughable.
Teheran is currently having a better season, but he is not the better pitcher. He can barely make it past 6 innings in any of his starts. I have him in fantasy baseball. It wasn't until the last month or so that he's turned it on. But I digress.
I gave you the information. The Tigers have won 12 of 15 against the Indians this year. The Tigers have won 10 games in a row. Doug Fister has great lifetime numbers against the Indians.
The line is off, and it's for a reason. Because the public is going to dump their money on Detroit and the Indians are going to win.
Not for the ALL the reasons you're giving, but I also dropped the Tigers from my initial lean of last night. I think the game is a 3-2 affair--either way. One team is a lot hungrier than the other, and could scratch and claw for this 'piece of meat.'
Not for the ALL the reasons you're giving, but I also dropped the Tigers from my initial lean of last night. I think the game is a 3-2 affair--either way. One team is a lot hungrier than the other, and could scratch and claw for this 'piece of meat.'
Not for the ALL the reasons you're giving, but I also dropped the Tigers from my initial lean of last night. I think the game is a 3-2 affair--either way. One team is a lot hungrier than the other, and could scratch and claw for this 'piece of meat.'
I think we can all agree the majority of bettors will be on the Tigers, and probably already are. No reason for the line to drop. They did nothing to get more action on the Indians. Well unless people are smart like me
Not for the ALL the reasons you're giving, but I also dropped the Tigers from my initial lean of last night. I think the game is a 3-2 affair--either way. One team is a lot hungrier than the other, and could scratch and claw for this 'piece of meat.'
I think we can all agree the majority of bettors will be on the Tigers, and probably already are. No reason for the line to drop. They did nothing to get more action on the Indians. Well unless people are smart like me
Teheran is currently having a better season, but he is not the better pitcher. He can barely make it past 6 innings in any of his starts. I have him in fantasy baseball. It wasn't until the last month or so that he's turned it on. But I digress.
I gave you the information. The Tigers have won 12 of 15 against the Indians this year. The Tigers have won 10 games in a row. Doug Fister has great lifetime numbers against the Indians.
The line is off, and it's for a reason. Because the public is going to dump their money on Detroit and the Indians are going to win.
Just my opinion.
So you are honestly saying, that the sportbooks KNOW, in advance, who will win A BASEBALL GAME?? Where the WORST teams in the league still win 55-65 games a year, and the ELITE teams still lose just as many? Then why not just make Detroit +200??
Keep track of this method of watching lines and get back to me after you have about 200 results. Let me know how it works out.
Teheran is currently having a better season, but he is not the better pitcher. He can barely make it past 6 innings in any of his starts. I have him in fantasy baseball. It wasn't until the last month or so that he's turned it on. But I digress.
I gave you the information. The Tigers have won 12 of 15 against the Indians this year. The Tigers have won 10 games in a row. Doug Fister has great lifetime numbers against the Indians.
The line is off, and it's for a reason. Because the public is going to dump their money on Detroit and the Indians are going to win.
Just my opinion.
So you are honestly saying, that the sportbooks KNOW, in advance, who will win A BASEBALL GAME?? Where the WORST teams in the league still win 55-65 games a year, and the ELITE teams still lose just as many? Then why not just make Detroit +200??
Keep track of this method of watching lines and get back to me after you have about 200 results. Let me know how it works out.
Braves didn't have the best pitcher on the mound last night? Leaving Teheran's superior win/loss out of it, he has a 2.96 ERA with a 1.18 WHIP. Meanwhile Gonzalez's is 3.52 with 1.24 WHIP. Just because you may be more familiar with Gio Gonzalez's name does not mean he's the better pitcher. Yes, Salazar is a stud. Just because he has 1 start in the big leagues doesn't mean he isn't very good. He may lose tonight, still a terrific young pitcher.
And this furthermore proves my point. The Braves were on a streak, had the better pitcher on the mound (so you say), but the Nats were at home, due for a win, with the more popular named pitcher.
Braves didn't have the best pitcher on the mound last night? Leaving Teheran's superior win/loss out of it, he has a 2.96 ERA with a 1.18 WHIP. Meanwhile Gonzalez's is 3.52 with 1.24 WHIP. Just because you may be more familiar with Gio Gonzalez's name does not mean he's the better pitcher. Yes, Salazar is a stud. Just because he has 1 start in the big leagues doesn't mean he isn't very good. He may lose tonight, still a terrific young pitcher.
And this furthermore proves my point. The Braves were on a streak, had the better pitcher on the mound (so you say), but the Nats were at home, due for a win, with the more popular named pitcher.
I think we can all agree the majority of bettors will be on the Tigers, and probably already are. No reason for the line to drop. They did nothing to get more action on the Indians. Well unless people are smart like me
Majority of bettors, perhaps (of course you and I would only be guessing), but maybe not majority of the $$$, which is what moves the lines.
I think we can all agree the majority of bettors will be on the Tigers, and probably already are. No reason for the line to drop. They did nothing to get more action on the Indians. Well unless people are smart like me
Majority of bettors, perhaps (of course you and I would only be guessing), but maybe not majority of the $$$, which is what moves the lines.
So you are honestly saying, that the sportbooks KNOW, in advance, who will win A BASEBALL GAME?? Where the WORST teams in the league still win 55-65 games a year, and the ELITE teams still lose just as many? Then why not just make Detroit +200??
Keep track of this method of watching lines and get back to me after you have about 200 results. Let me know how it works out.
No, they obviously don't know for sure. But they do have a strong opinion on how things will finish, and over time that is how they gain their edge.
If the majority of people betting will be on the Tigers, why would they drop the line from -121 to -110? What is the answer for that? It's just encouraging more money to go on the Tigers. Why?
So you are honestly saying, that the sportbooks KNOW, in advance, who will win A BASEBALL GAME?? Where the WORST teams in the league still win 55-65 games a year, and the ELITE teams still lose just as many? Then why not just make Detroit +200??
Keep track of this method of watching lines and get back to me after you have about 200 results. Let me know how it works out.
No, they obviously don't know for sure. But they do have a strong opinion on how things will finish, and over time that is how they gain their edge.
If the majority of people betting will be on the Tigers, why would they drop the line from -121 to -110? What is the answer for that? It's just encouraging more money to go on the Tigers. Why?
Teheran is currently having a better season, but he is not the better pitcher. He can barely make it past 6 innings in any of his starts. I have him in fantasy baseball. It wasn't until the last month or so that he's turned it on. But I digress.
I gave you the information. The Tigers have won 12 of 15 against the Indians this year. The Tigers have won 10 games in a row. Doug Fister has great lifetime numbers against the Indians.
The line is off, and it's for a reason. Because the public is going to dump their money on Detroit and the Indians are going to win.
Just my opinion.
You said Teheran is having a better season but isn't the better pitcher. So, what, I should have based my Braves bet yesterday on how good Teheran was last year? Because this year's performance doesn't matter or something? You're reaching now.
If you're so adamant that the line should be Tigers -135, then why don't you take the Tigers? Saying there's good value in the Tigers today but trying to make a claim that the Indians are the pick? You're contradicting your own argument.
When you have any type of long term statistical support for line movements and strong correlation to the results of game, come on back and share it with us. Until then, nobody can take your nonsensical theories seriously.
Teheran is currently having a better season, but he is not the better pitcher. He can barely make it past 6 innings in any of his starts. I have him in fantasy baseball. It wasn't until the last month or so that he's turned it on. But I digress.
I gave you the information. The Tigers have won 12 of 15 against the Indians this year. The Tigers have won 10 games in a row. Doug Fister has great lifetime numbers against the Indians.
The line is off, and it's for a reason. Because the public is going to dump their money on Detroit and the Indians are going to win.
Just my opinion.
You said Teheran is having a better season but isn't the better pitcher. So, what, I should have based my Braves bet yesterday on how good Teheran was last year? Because this year's performance doesn't matter or something? You're reaching now.
If you're so adamant that the line should be Tigers -135, then why don't you take the Tigers? Saying there's good value in the Tigers today but trying to make a claim that the Indians are the pick? You're contradicting your own argument.
When you have any type of long term statistical support for line movements and strong correlation to the results of game, come on back and share it with us. Until then, nobody can take your nonsensical theories seriously.
No, they obviously don't know for sure. But they do have a strong opinion on how things will finish, and over time that is how they gain their edge.
If the majority of people betting will be on the Tigers, why would they drop the line from -121 to -110? What is the answer for that? It's just encouraging more money to go on the Tigers. Why?
No, that is not how they gain their edge. The gain their edge because bettors are laying juice. Pure and simple.
I'm not saying books don't extensive knowledge of teams, players, situations, etc. However when you have a edge like they do (with the juice), you don't need to get tricky. They can (and DO) position themselves to make money regardless of what happens. Does that work perfectly for EVERY game, of course not. But over time, the grind out that edge, and make billions per year on it.
I have not looked at this specific game at all, and I'm just speaking in general terms. So I don't have any explanation as to why they'd encourage MORE $$ on the Tigers, except to deduce that is what they want. But not because they think (or know) that the Indians will win, but because they are balancing their position (or trying to) on the game to WIN $$$ no matter what happens. That's how a good business would do it anyway.
No, they obviously don't know for sure. But they do have a strong opinion on how things will finish, and over time that is how they gain their edge.
If the majority of people betting will be on the Tigers, why would they drop the line from -121 to -110? What is the answer for that? It's just encouraging more money to go on the Tigers. Why?
No, that is not how they gain their edge. The gain their edge because bettors are laying juice. Pure and simple.
I'm not saying books don't extensive knowledge of teams, players, situations, etc. However when you have a edge like they do (with the juice), you don't need to get tricky. They can (and DO) position themselves to make money regardless of what happens. Does that work perfectly for EVERY game, of course not. But over time, the grind out that edge, and make billions per year on it.
I have not looked at this specific game at all, and I'm just speaking in general terms. So I don't have any explanation as to why they'd encourage MORE $$ on the Tigers, except to deduce that is what they want. But not because they think (or know) that the Indians will win, but because they are balancing their position (or trying to) on the game to WIN $$$ no matter what happens. That's how a good business would do it anyway.
but i'm sure the other 35% are super rich sharps just hammering cleveland, causing the line to drop
I know you are making a joke of this, but what you just said is most likely the truth. Bettors who know that Salazar is a stud may well lean to the Indians. Sharps probably have a good idea of how good Salazar is.
I don't get how you can be so sure that the Tigers should be a big favorite in this game when you don't even know who the opposing pitcher is.
This is just one game and the Tigers could easily win, but the line looks fair to me.
but i'm sure the other 35% are super rich sharps just hammering cleveland, causing the line to drop
I know you are making a joke of this, but what you just said is most likely the truth. Bettors who know that Salazar is a stud may well lean to the Indians. Sharps probably have a good idea of how good Salazar is.
I don't get how you can be so sure that the Tigers should be a big favorite in this game when you don't even know who the opposing pitcher is.
This is just one game and the Tigers could easily win, but the line looks fair to me.
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