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Posted: 10/30/2011 10:35:37 PM
Hope CJ is gone. So who would you rather have Oswalt or Buerhle?
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Posted: 10/31/2011 2:44:39 AM
Pujols and/or CC
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Posted: 10/31/2011 4:42:11 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Masonator:

Pujols and/or CC



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Posted: 10/31/2011 9:40:49 AM
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Pujols and/or CC
I was being realistic. Although I wouldnt be surprised if Pujols has discussions with Tx but thats as far as that would go.
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Posted: 10/31/2011 2:11:31 PM
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Posted: 11/1/2011 8:38:12 AM
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None of the above
I think your wrong. I just heard the are going to be in the running for Prince or Pujols especially since Yanks and BoSox set at 1st. I also am 98% sure CJ is gone (Thank God) and I think we either make a deal with 4 or 5 prospects for King Felix or Kershaw. Even the dont be surprised to see Oswalt sign here. 


Also that Japanese guy that is suppose to be so good is supposedly gonna with Tx. I think all of this may come to the forefront soon for 1 reason. To improve the morale of the team.

If the Rangers signed Prince, Oswalt, and the Japanese guy (I cant remember his friggin name) all the sudden Rangers players and fans are excited again.
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Posted: 11/1/2011 2:01:59 PM
Trade for King Felix

Getting a clear #1will be the most important thing to do, Plus if they could somehow pick up F-Rod They will definitely focus on pitching and maybe a first baseman. NOT PRINCE, that dude will be a waste just like his Lard behind Daddy especially after he signs a big fat behind contract
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Posted: 11/1/2011 5:07:35 PM
Prince Fielder. Moreland being a nine hitter and playing first base...is not good.
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Posted: 11/1/2011 6:40:15 PM
Japanese pitcher: Yu Darvish
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Posted: 11/1/2011 7:39:27 PM

Don't take this the wrong way...but I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself. I don't blame you. I get excited about these kind of things to. All the possibilities. The rumors are great. You'd be a remarkable writer for big time news paper that revolves around the Rangers. Imagine people reading something like that and hearing "Oh my god...did you guys here that we might be trading for King Felix or Clayton Kershaw...PLUS getting Yu Darvish or Roy Oswalt and maybe even Prince Fielder!?!?!?!?"

I see that you're excited by everything you've heard. But fact of the matter is...I've heard all this garbage for the Yankees too. I've heard they prefer Yu Darvish over CJ Wilson. I heard that it wouldn't be a surprise for them to go after Prince just to make an impact. I heard they could trade Jesus Montero in a package for Felix.

That's what makes these rumors great and what makes these writers so famous. Everyone throws out open ended guesses for multiple teams just to get people talking about them and they can't wait for their next rumor to come to fruition.

Like I said...don't take this the wrong way. I'm not trying to be a person, even if it does come off that way.

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Posted: 11/1/2011 7:52:26 PM

As far as my guesses go...

I think getting Prince is possible. It's really your only weak offensive position.

 I don't think CJ Wilson will stay. Rather...I think the Nationals go after him. Not sure if you guys will find a replacement on the market since the talks about Feliz moving to the rotation got louder towards the end of the season. A rotation consisting of Ogando, Feliz, Harrison, Holland and Lewis ain't all that bad. I think the Phillies only declined Oswalt's option because they want to sign him on to a smaller contract. Buehrle is a possibility, though. Kind of a weak market for SP. The reason I don't see you guys making any sort of run at King Felix is because they just traded Lee to you guys last year. Why trade AGAIN within the division when the centerpiece of the deal, Justin Smoak, was horrible last season? They already took the guy who used to be the best in your farm system. I think they'd test the waters elsewhere first for a bigger haul and still get one of the best prospects in the league.

As for Yu Darvish...there's no telling where he may go. He's the next big thing. But...he hasn't even been posted yet. His team is still playing. But so many teams have said (or at least been linked) to have interest in him. The Yankees have said to have a much better scouting group on Japanese players since the whole Igawa situation that, if they feel he's worth it, then they won't be outbit. If they don't...then it'll be a war between the Rangers, Red Sox, Blue Jays and Nationals.

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Posted: 11/4/2011 11:14:41 AM
Sparky dont think you are being a person at all. I hear talk now that CJ may wanna stay but I dont want that and ultimately he is a perfect douche that belongs in pin stripes (No offense) 

The bid for Prince is likely. He is from Irving (5 minutes from park. We used to play pick up bball with his cousin) He would love to be a ranger. 

I doubt we make much of a push for Darvish. I hope our new owners dont fall into that trap.

The signing of either Oswalt or Buerhle is highly possible. Interesting fact is CJ Wilson and Oswalt have the same Houston based agent.

If I had to bet we add Prince and either Oswalt or Buerhle (Dont know which) during the off season. Then if Feliz becoming a starter doesnt look like it will work I would expect the Rangers to unload 3-5 prospects to get Kershaw. (I agree Felix is out) 

Another option is trading Andrus and/or KInsler (Andrus most likely) as we have a stud middle infielder in the minors. A package of Andrus, I know Profar is younand this may happen next off season not this off season.
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Posted: 11/4/2011 1:02:13 PM

I agree that he has the attitude to handle NY. But I don't want him either. I laughed when he was deemed "Cliff Jr" in 2010. CJ walks more people in one game than Cliff walks in 2 months.

With the Brewers in such a good position to win now, Prince is clearly looking to get the most money he can possibly get. I mean...that Brewers team is a REALLY GOOD TEAM. He has pretty much said that he won't return to Milwaukee and he probably figures they won't pay him what he wants. And now that he's willing to take a DH role...I think the Rangers will have to be the highest bidder if they want Prince.

Darvish isn't a trap, imo. He's a no-lose situation. If he's terrible...he still pays for himself with all the attention you get from Japan. Matsui, Ichiro and Dice-K paid for themselves. Darvish will do the same. So he may be a diamond or he may be a dud...it won't matter. If he's bad...the media will blow him up and say that he was a huge waste of money. But they will never mention the fact that he PAYS FOR HIMSELF.

Oswalt is way too much of a risk. Just last year he was contemplating retirement. Now he wants a multi-year contract. And his back issues are a major concern and he was AWFUL at many points during the 2011 season. He's looking for his final contract...he won't be taking paycuts. But he will be going to a team where he can try to win a ring. As for Buerhle...I never had a problem with him. He was great this year. Very consistant all season. He is who he is. Nothing flashy...but better than a "quality pitcher".

Kershaw...I don't know where that team stands. Who knows what happens once they sell their team? That's completely up in the air.

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Posted: 11/4/2011 4:23:17 PM
Don't you feel that the Rangers bats are fine? I feel that what really needs to be improved is the pitching, especially after what took place in the World Series. Thoughts??
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Posted: 11/4/2011 4:35:38 PM

I'm with Nilshu. Prince will cost you a fortune. You know who else will cost you a fortune? Josh Hamilton...who's a free agent next season.

I know the Rangers are getting much better financially every year...but can they afford BOTH?

Like I always says with the Yankees. While it's nice to get upgrades over the "weak" spots in the lineup...their lineup is still one of the best if not the best in the league and their lineup can carry you to the postseason themselves. But it's the rotation that you need to win a World Series. And everything I just said right there for the Yankees can be said about the Rangers.

If you get Prince...you'll instantly become one of the frontrunners to make it back to the World Series. The fan base will got NUTS and the media will hype you guys up like no other. But with the rotation in question...how much of a difference will it make?

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Posted: 11/5/2011 1:41:37 AM
i keep seeing you guys talking about kershaw, and im not sure where your getting that info but ill give you my input from a dodger fan. first they wont make any major moves until the ownership situation is dealt with, and when thats done they would be absolutely crazy to deal kemp or kershaw. this team is on verrrry thin ice in la, and the new owner is going to have to give fans hope while buying their support back. theyll have to go out immediately and bang a splash in the market, showing that they want to win and win soon. if they turn this into a pittsburgh type team, (where they get solid young players, and then sell them at there peak instead of building a good core), the owners might as well send the team back to brooklyn. 

not to mention both kemp and kershaw have gained a lot of respect and love from the fans. its not easy to play hard for a losing team, especially during such a long season, but both these guys worked their behind off every day to play as well as they could. two years ago ethier had all of the support, when kemp was sucking and only thinking about rihanna, and kershaw was still thought of a possible great pitcher. now ehtier is third on that list by quite a large margin. 

now if kershaw was 5 years older i could understand an argument for trading him. but at his age and crazy team situation, they need to keep him around with kemp.


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Posted: 11/5/2011 1:50:50 AM

I can't see Kershaw going anywhere because he's cheap. However...I suggest they trade Kemp if they can't get an extension done this offseason. I know he loves LA...but he'd be up for a monster pay day if he has a season in 2012 like he did in 2011.

As for Ethier...he's probably not even on the list anymore. All that stuff that he said last year about the Dodgers...he knows he's gone.

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Posted: 11/5/2011 11:20:38 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Nilshu:

Don't you feel that the Rangers bats are fine? I feel that what really needs to be improved is the pitching, especially after what took place in the World Series. Thoughts??
Well they have to prepare for the future here. If they sign Prince then they will not bring Josh back and maybe not Nellie as well. Kinsler in 2013? Andrus after next season? Basically by signing Fielder the Rangers are saying he is going to be more productive in the future than Josh would be. Our whole core is up in the next couple years. I think the Rangers may tell Moreland this is your last chance. See what he can do??? 

 I play golf with one of the ESPNDallas baseball guys so thats where I  get a lot of my info. A lot of times it me saying well what about this or what about that. Oswalt still pitched 20 something games last year. I dont think its too risky. If we dont sign CJ then maybe Buerhle being a lefty is a better fit??? 


I think we are very savvy in our front office. They will lay something on the table for Kershaw. I am positive. Will it be enough? I dont know. Another person of interest is Josh JOhnson if healthy. If Feliz becomes a starter then you can throw a lot of this out because our need becomes bullpen if Adams moves to closer. 

Bottom line its great time to be a Ranger fan. IT makes me hate Yankees fans less because I am sure this is how they feel every year.

BY the way Sparky that line you said about instantly becoming favorites with Prince and all the hype is true and the front office knows thats what the current Rangers need after that let down. THey need a boost in confidence and a reason to get excited  again.
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Posted: 11/5/2011 2:18:27 PM

As for Josh Johnson...he's not going anywhere. The Marlins are looking to add for their first year in Miami. Getting rid of one of the best pitchers in baseball won't be smart.

And yes...knowing you have a chance to win the World Series every season makes everything more entertaining and makes the average fan more aware of their teams.

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Posted: 11/7/2011 4:14:37 AM
no offense noworries but i think you have your dreams set wayyyy to high if the only 3 your strogly looking at are kershaw, johnson, and king felix. i cant see any possible way kershaw or johnson get moved this year. felix is possible since hes young and seattle knows they suck, but hell recquire a loooot and seattle already took your best player from the system. 

oswalt, wilson, buhrlie, and darvish are better options to looks at because they dont require trades and the other teams agreeing. 
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Posted: 11/7/2011 10:02:32 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by seanjohn007:

no offense noworries but i think you have your dreams set wayyyy to high if the only 3 your strogly looking at are kershaw, johnson, and king felix. i cant see any possible way kershaw or johnson get moved this year. felix is possible since hes young and seattle knows they suck, but hell recquire a loooot and seattle already took your best player from the system. 

oswalt, wilson, buhrlie, and darvish are better options to looks at because they dont require trades and the other teams agreeing. 
I am positive they will make a run at Kershaw. There is no doubt. We have the best farm system in the country right now. I am realistic I promise. I understand what signing Prince and bringing over a Kershaw would do to our core. BUt the reason you build such great farm system is to win the world series. If we added Prince and a pitcher we become favorites. But then next couple years when the contracts of Hamilton, Cruz, Young, Kinsler, and Andrus are up we have issues. I know by signing Prince and a top notch starter 2 or 3 of those guys (Young, Hamilton and ?????) will not be in a Ranger uniform. Like I said in earlier post I think the Rangers wait till a few months into the year to get an ace but may add Prince, Oswalt and/or Buerlhe (And maybe Darvish) in the off season. 
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Posted: 11/9/2011 8:47:35 AM
CJ had the balls to say on the radio if Texas can step up to the plate financial he will stay
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Posted: 11/10/2011 8:23:21 AM
Now sounds like we are making a run at Prince, Oswalt, and Buerhle but apparantly also Joe Nathan and Heath Bell. IF Feliz becomes a starter you will need a setup man or closer to go with Adams.
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Posted: 11/16/2011 3:56:23 PM
NoWorries - I'm not sure how you could dislike CJ Wilson, and call yourself a Rangers fan. I'm not saying he's not the best in the league, but he is easily the best Texas has.

Rangers Ballpark isn't exactly a place that will attract free agent pitchers.  Consider, in the face of millions of extra dollars Cliff Lee chose Philadelphia over Texas. Lee was as accomplished a pitcher as could be had at the time of free agency last season, and he had success pitching for the Rangers. Clearly something kept him from returning to a city where he had recently achieved so much. Perhaps it was not only because the stadium is notorious for offense, but in the summer it gets hot enough to roast a goat in the bed of you truck. 

CJ has come through the Texas system, and has excelled where so many others have failed. For decades Texas was an offensive club which lacked any decent shot at the post season because of limitations with its pitching staff. I see Wilson as one of the best pitchers the Rangers have had.... EVER. He should be resigned, imo.
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NoWorries - I'm not sure how you could dislike CJ Wilson, and call yourself a Rangers fan. I'm not saying he's not the best in the league, but he is easily the best Texas has.

Rangers Ballpark isn't exactly a place that will attract free agent pitchers.  Consider, in the face of millions of extra dollars Cliff Lee chose Philadelphia over Texas. Lee was as accomplished a pitcher as could be had at the time of free agency last season, and he had success pitching for the Rangers. Clearly something kept him from returning to a city where he had recently achieved so much. Perhaps it was not only because the stadium is notorious for offense, but in the summer it gets hot enough to roast a goat in the bed of you truck. 

CJ has come through the Texas system, and has excelled where so many others have failed. For decades Texas was an offensive club which lacked any decent shot at the post season because of limitations with its pitching staff. I see Wilson as one of the best pitchers the Rangers have had.... EVER. He should be resigned, imo.

Cliff Lee would have had a better offer coming from the Yankees than Texas. He chose to go to Philly for different reasons. He went to Philly because he actually LOVES Philly and LOVES the fans. He also had a once in a lifetime chance to form one of the greatest rotations in baseball history with Doc, Hamels, Oswalt and himself. It didn't work out as planned.

Yes...Texas may not be able to get top free agent pitchers if offered similar contracts as other top teams because of the ballpark...but it doesn't mean they'll scare away ALL top free agent pitchers.

Texas doesn't need CJ. He wants more than Lackey/AJ money and anyone who gives that to him are morons. He's had 2 years in the rotation and thinks he warrants that type of contract? He often loses control when on the mound and a pitcher who has that problem doesn't deserve that $80+ mill.

We've seen what the Rangers did with CJ by moving him from the pen to the rotation. So they should keep Ogando in the rotation. Move Feliz into the rotation. And let Nolan Ryan work his magic. And what I mean by that is let the guys pitch. Nolan doesn't baby his pitchers. Just about every team sees a pitcher reach 100 pitches and they know his night is over even if he's pitching a gem. You see a Rangers pitcher in that spot and he'll keep going until he shows fatigue. That's what I love about Nolan Ryan.

 

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