Should a penalty decide a championship?

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Posted: 6/12/2012 7:41:56 AM
How bad is this 5min major rule.Has to be the worst rule in sports.Not only does it give way to much advantage to a team ,it totally takes all the gas out of the team who caused the penalty Besides the fact  that it was one of the stupidest plays a player could make, it turned what should of been a great game 6 into  a lopsided game after 1 period.In a league that needs all the drama they can get  ,a league thats still inferior in the minds of most americans,to have a rule that can have that effect on a championship game like that ,and end whatever suspense that was building ,not to mention if any League needed a game 7 for popularity,it is NHL, is just one of the many reasons hockey will always be  playing 4th fiddle in the sports and betting world The cup champs cant even make the back cover of some of the major newspapers across the country.Damn in Newsday in NY today its behind Yankees and US open  .
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Posted: 6/12/2012 8:53:56 AM
It didn't decide a championship............6 hockey games did.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 9:23:29 AM
If you think that penalty decided the series you need to look again. Devils didn't show up for first 3 games. That's what decided the series.

Congratulations to LA, they earned it.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 9:29:09 AM

That was a deserving penalty. The exact type of hit they have been calling all year and he got gashed so has to be called. There probly should have been a penalty on the other end on Penner I believe for a forearm shiver as well I will give you that.

The problem is you just cannot go down 3-0 in a series and realistically have a chance to come back. Everything would have to break absolutely perfect for the Devils to even have a shot at winning the series. As it was...a couple more errant sticks resulted in Kings PP chances anyway. The Kings were the better team last night with or without that penalty IMHO. And even game 5...the Devils were kinda lucky to get that one with the Kings hitting the post 4 or 5 times and Jersey getting two flukey type goals.

Great run however by the Devils.

 

 

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Posted: 6/12/2012 10:22:06 AM
If there was a penalty then it needs to be called no matter the situation. If a foul is a foul the first 30 seconds of a basketball game, then it should be a foul in the last 30 seconds. Same goes for hockey. 
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Posted: 6/12/2012 10:35:18 AM

Different rules for certain games.

Yeah...that will work.

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Posted: 6/12/2012 10:51:02 AM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by HookEmHorns22:

If you think that penalty decided the series you need to look again. Devils didn't show up for first 3 games. That's what decided the series.

Congratulations to LA, they earned it.

Well said.

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Posted: 6/12/2012 10:52:39 AM

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the shocking thing to me is how scuderi, an experienced blueliner, put himself in such a bad position on that play...

you know you're gonna get crushed so you can't start lookin back then turnin the other way...

im sure however that play unfolded much quicker than it appeared on tv (amazing how the game speeds up at ice level but it really does) so scuderi didn't have much time BUT in that spot he still has to know what's coming and take steps to minimize the damage

 

 

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Posted: 6/12/2012 12:14:02 PM
Like deboer said tonight is about the kings... Ask me in a week for my real opinion. 
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Posted: 6/12/2012 12:15:32 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HookEmHorns22:

If you think that penalty decided the series you need to look again. Devils didn't show up for first 3 games. That's what decided the series.

Congratulations to LA, they earned it.

I dont think thats true, game 2 and 3 we were very good... We couldnt crack quick. 
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Posted: 6/12/2012 12:21:03 PM
No....Game 3 the Devils looked pathetic and had zero fight. Down 4-0 and they didn't even try putting up a fight

You people need to give credit where credit is due. 11-1 on the road, 16-3 throughout, all against the top 3 seeds. Stop saying a penalty cost a team the Cup lol
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Posted: 6/12/2012 12:24:20 PM

a league that still inferior in the minds of most americans?

dont talk for me, yankees suck! and so does the sport! how is it a postponment due to weather can end a game in the middle of the 5th inning? now that is stupid!

 

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Posted: 6/12/2012 1:00:20 PM
As if I could give a darn about what Americans think of the game...
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Posted: 6/12/2012 2:12:49 PM

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i stand to be corrected but in the last 40 years no major pro sports league has sunk more pie-in-the-sky hopes, walter mitty pipedreams, and flammable cash into more absolute freakin bottomless flaming sump holes than the NHL...

let's be serious...

expansion first and foremost has been a tool to line existing owners' pockets, and if they happened to catch lightning in a bottle and the game established a foothold in some backwater outpost then hallelujah they got lucky...

the problem is sustainability...tampa wins a cup, then the team stumbles and the bandwagon empties and they have to start a major rebuild...ditto anaheim...largely because these are not bedrock areas..sweet hayzoos even in new jersey they've won multiple cups and they don't fill their building...

id start by phasering a minimum of 10 franchises, get the league down to a manageable number of teams, sell the steak not the sizzle...

then id look to a fundamental change in how the game is played, the players have outgrown the barns, id go to a 4-on-4 opening up more ice, spurring creativity, you'd still have enough of a physical element in play BUT i suspect serious injuries such as concussions would decline...

along the same lines, get rid of a zebra, you wouldn't need that fourth blind pair of eyes...

 

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Posted: 6/12/2012 2:21:38 PM

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the NHL needs to focus on its strengths which go to the root of its popularity...hockey is an exciting physical and passionate sport with gifted athletes...

a few less bureaucrats and profiteers wouldn't hurt

 

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Posted: 6/12/2012 2:28:14 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Allbutbroke:

It didn't decide a championship............6 hockey games did.
Did you ever figure out what happened to the "faulty" clock at the Staples Ctr or was it "human error?"  Lets see, there are 3,600 seconds in a regular game and that clock just happened to "malfunction" for that split second(19:59) allowing the Kings to tie and win the game, giving them 2 pts and help get them into the playoffs.  So, do you believe in 3600-1 or do you believe in the much more logical and credible explaination that gary stopped the clock?  Lets see how smart you are troll?  Btw, ALL 4 Devils losses were a direct result from "bad officiating"  I know you dont watch hockey, but boarding should apply to both teams, not just NJ.  When a goalie smothers the puck for 15 seconds, the zebra should blow the whistle, don't you think?  When there's a high stick and a player is on the ice bleeding profusively and is missing teeth, should a penalty not be called or does this not apply to LA based teams ala 1993 and 2012.  I'll wait for your troll-like response 
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Posted: 6/12/2012 2:33:16 PM
bk_widows, you make too much sense and you will be ostracised soon by those that know nothing.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 3:13:49 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Dangerbay:

Did you ever figure out what happened to the "faulty" clock at the Staples Ctr or was it "human error?"  Lets see, there are 3,600 seconds in a regular game and that clock just happened to "malfunction" for that split second(19:59) allowing the Kings to tie and win the game, giving them 2 pts and help get them into the playoffs.  So, do you believe in 3600-1 or do you believe in the much more logical and credible explaination that gary stopped the clock?  Lets see how smart you are troll?  Btw, ALL 4 Devils losses were a direct result from "bad officiating"  I know you dont watch hockey, but boarding should apply to both teams, not just NJ.  When a goalie smothers the puck for 15 seconds, the zebra should blow the whistle, don't you think?  When there's a high stick and a player is on the ice bleeding profusively and is missing teeth, should a penalty not be called or does this not apply to LA based teams ala 1993 and 2012.  I'll wait for your troll-like response 

Where did I say it was okay for the refs to miss the LA penalty that happened moments before?  Please show me ole wise one.  All I said was the penalty didn't decide the championship, 6 games did. Oh and one other things.......go darn yourself.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 3:41:30 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Dangerbay:

Did you ever figure out what happened to the "faulty" clock at the Staples Ctr or was it "human error?"  Lets see, there are 3,600 seconds in a regular game and that clock just happened to "malfunction" for that split second(19:59) allowing the Kings to tie and win the game, giving them 2 pts and help get them into the playoffs.  So, do you believe in 3600-1 or do you believe in the much more logical and credible explaination that gary stopped the clock?  Lets see how smart you are troll?  Btw, ALL 4 Devils losses were a direct result from "bad officiating"  I know you dont watch hockey, but boarding should apply to both teams, not just NJ.  When a goalie smothers the puck for 15 seconds, the zebra should blow the whistle, don't you think?  When there's a high stick and a player is on the ice bleeding profusively and is missing teeth, should a penalty not be called or does this not apply to LA based teams ala 1993 and 2012.  I'll wait for your troll-like response 

This is probably the most ignorant thing I've heard in a while. I agree that the clock stopping is bullshit and should never be possible in a professional sports league. They should have fail-safe's in place so that the integrity of the game is always at it's highest.

That being said, mistakes happen and the LA Kings made the playoffs by 5 points... not 1. You make it sound like there's this big conspiracy and in the last second of the last game of the season they stopped the clock and let the Kings get into the playoffs so they could go 16-4 and win the cup. Absolutely absurd. 

Also, there were bad calls that went both ways. Did you catch Dustin Penners "roughing" call last night? How about his goalie interference call a few games ago? The Devils had AMPLE opportunity on the powerplay in this series and couldn't crack the Kings. The bottom line is they couldn't.. and the kings capitalized on their chances. This is a tough point of view for someone who is clearly backing the Devils to understand but it's a reality. 

I wasn't a fan of the officiating either.. but to say it was one sided in this series is crazy. The problem is that the Kings capitalized on some of these "bad calls" so it's way more noticeable. Watch the games again and you'll see how many times the Devils couldn't cash in on their chances and if you're staying objective, they missed calls going both ways. It becomes tough to see that when you want one team to win and they don't.

Game 1: 1 penalty for the Devils 2 for the Kings
Game 2: 2 penalties for the Devils 4 for the Kings
Game 3: 3 penalties for the Devils 5 for the Kings
Game 4: 4 penalties for the Devils 3 for the Kings
Game 5: 3 penalties for the Devils and 3 for the Kings

Up until game 6 there was only ONE game where the Kings had the same amount of penalties as the Devils. Every single other game except for game 6 the Devils had more powerplays. Meanwhile you have the person who started this thread who thinks they shouldn't be calling penalties at all and "let the players decide the game" and not call standard textbook calls like the Boarding call against Bernier. I can't figure out what you Devil backers want... every little missed call to be called against the Kings so that the Devils can win.. or no calls at all in hopes that in Game 6 the Kings don't score 3 goals on a powerplay to put you away. You can't have it both ways. 
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Posted: 6/12/2012 6:06:25 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Allbutbroke:


Where did I say it was okay for the refs to miss the LA penalty that happened moments before?  Please show me ole wise one.  All I said was the penalty didn't decide the championship, 6 games did. Oh and one other things.......go darn yourself.
I've read your garbage on covers and YOU ARE A TROLL!!You certainly don't have any knowledge of hockey. 
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Posted: 6/12/2012 6:08:44 PM
Hey nerveagent, who pressed the button to stop the clock?  That's not ignorance, its just a question that i have the answer to.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 7:07:29 PM
Remember this Dangerbay? http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/gametracker/recap/NHL_20120405_SJ@LA

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Posted: 6/12/2012 7:14:18 PM
it was a penalty for sure, was it a 5 min? maybe not, stripes called it one. jersey shouldv'e killed it off. instead they got shelled, o well. that's da way the cookie crumbled. devils got their fools kicked in the game, regardless of the 5 min major.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 8:02:20 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by metalbill:

it was a penalty for sure, was it a 5 min? maybe not, stripes called it one. jersey shouldv'e killed it off. instead they got shelled, o well. that's da way the cookie crumbled. devils got their fools kicked in the game, regardless of the 5 min major.
Devils got their fools kicked?  Why, what was the score before the controversy? 
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Posted: 6/12/2012 8:02:44 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Dangerbay:

I've read your garbage on covers and YOU ARE A TROLL!!You certainly don't have any knowledge of hockey. 

Alrighty then.  Last night I withdrew $2 grand from bet365 having played a future on the Kings.  If you look back you will see where I said I played them and considered a hedge on NJ.  How much do you make?

Seriously dude, you are acting like a child.  If you want to exchange in a garbage storm let's do it in other than the hockey forum where generally this stuff doesn't occur.
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