really, +585 for a team that was #1 when they were healthy last year ? any thoughts? did something suddenly happen to this team's defense from last season?
really, +585 for a team that was #1 when they were healthy last year ? any thoughts? did something suddenly happen to this team's defense from last season?
Cardinals won’t win the division. It feels like I am actually the only one in this forum who is low on the Cardinals. I think a lot of their defensive success had to do with the scheming by Todd Bowles and the created turnover margin. Cromartie and Bowles are gone and their only good pass rusher on the team is Calais Campbell. They finished 31st in PFF’s Pass Rush Grade and they didn’t really have a lot of good offensive lines to play against. They were outgained in a lot of their wins, even with Carson Palmer. After his second ACL tear, Palmer is probably a few hard hits away from getting sidelined the next game. Maybe they are going to win one game against the Seahawks but they will lose both games against the Rams. I don’t know if you watched all divisional games last season, but the Rams were almost ahead of everyone. Their defense is one of the best in the league. They gave up the 5th-fewest points and the 2nd-fewest since week 9, and they were only 2nd because the Seahawks played CK7 twice, Mark Sanchez, Ryan Lindley, Shaun Hill & Drew Stanton.
With another QB, the Rams would have been a 10-6 or 11-5 team. They dominated the Seahawks and Cardinals. They were up 21-3 against the Seahawks in the first game and SHOULD HAVE WON the second game. It was pure domination by their defense. Two crucial turnovers in Seahawks territory and the win was gone. They allowed just ONE touchdown against the Cardinals last season and they held them to 10 points through three quarters at Arizona and leading 14-10, even though Carson Palmer threw a bunch of perfect passes. The reasons they weren’t a 10-6 team were stupid Austin Davis and stupid Shaun Hill. And sometimes a stupid big play given up by the secondary (McLeod/Gaines). It also wasn’t easy to learn the complex system from Gregg Williams. I expect his aggressive style to be more successful with the defense being the same like last season (except the addition of Nick Fairley). From what I’ve read, Gaines and McLeod look improved on reading the offensive plays. With Nick Foles and Todd Gurley this team is going to surprise and I expect the division to be decided between them and the Seahawks. I see the Cardinals as the number 3.
Cardinals won’t win the division. It feels like I am actually the only one in this forum who is low on the Cardinals. I think a lot of their defensive success had to do with the scheming by Todd Bowles and the created turnover margin. Cromartie and Bowles are gone and their only good pass rusher on the team is Calais Campbell. They finished 31st in PFF’s Pass Rush Grade and they didn’t really have a lot of good offensive lines to play against. They were outgained in a lot of their wins, even with Carson Palmer. After his second ACL tear, Palmer is probably a few hard hits away from getting sidelined the next game. Maybe they are going to win one game against the Seahawks but they will lose both games against the Rams. I don’t know if you watched all divisional games last season, but the Rams were almost ahead of everyone. Their defense is one of the best in the league. They gave up the 5th-fewest points and the 2nd-fewest since week 9, and they were only 2nd because the Seahawks played CK7 twice, Mark Sanchez, Ryan Lindley, Shaun Hill & Drew Stanton.
With another QB, the Rams would have been a 10-6 or 11-5 team. They dominated the Seahawks and Cardinals. They were up 21-3 against the Seahawks in the first game and SHOULD HAVE WON the second game. It was pure domination by their defense. Two crucial turnovers in Seahawks territory and the win was gone. They allowed just ONE touchdown against the Cardinals last season and they held them to 10 points through three quarters at Arizona and leading 14-10, even though Carson Palmer threw a bunch of perfect passes. The reasons they weren’t a 10-6 team were stupid Austin Davis and stupid Shaun Hill. And sometimes a stupid big play given up by the secondary (McLeod/Gaines). It also wasn’t easy to learn the complex system from Gregg Williams. I expect his aggressive style to be more successful with the defense being the same like last season (except the addition of Nick Fairley). From what I’ve read, Gaines and McLeod look improved on reading the offensive plays. With Nick Foles and Todd Gurley this team is going to surprise and I expect the division to be decided between them and the Seahawks. I see the Cardinals as the number 3.
Cardinals won’t win the division. It feels like I am actually the only one in this forum who is low on the Cardinals. I think a lot of their defensive success had to do with the scheming by Todd Bowles and the created turnover margin. Cromartie and Bowles are gone and their only good pass rusher on the team is Calais Campbell. They finished 31st in PFF’s Pass Rush Grade and they didn’t really have a lot of good offensive lines to play against. They were outgained in a lot of their wins, even with Carson Palmer. After his second ACL tear, Palmer is probably a few hard hits away from getting sidelined the next game. Maybe they are going to win one game against the Seahawks but they will lose both games against the Rams. I don’t know if you watched all divisional games last season, but the Rams were almost ahead of everyone. Their defense is one of the best in the league. They gave up the 5th-fewest points and the 2nd-fewest since week 9, and they were only 2nd because the Seahawks played CK7 twice, Mark Sanchez, Ryan Lindley, Shaun Hill & Drew Stanton.
With another QB, the Rams would have been a 10-6 or 11-5 team. They dominated the Seahawks and Cardinals. They were up 21-3 against the Seahawks in the first game and SHOULD HAVE WON the second game. It was pure domination by their defense. Two crucial turnovers in Seahawks territory and the win was gone. They allowed just ONE touchdown against the Cardinals last season and they held them to 10 points through three quarters at Arizona and leading 14-10, even though Carson Palmer threw a bunch of perfect passes. The reasons they weren’t a 10-6 team were stupid Austin Davis and stupid Shaun Hill. And sometimes a stupid big play given up by the secondary (McLeod/Gaines). It also wasn’t easy to learn the complex system from Gregg Williams. I expect his aggressive style to be more successful with the defense being the same like last season (except the addition of Nick Fairley). From what I’ve read, Gaines and McLeod look improved on reading the offensive plays. With Nick Foles and Todd Gurley this team is going to surprise and I expect the division to be decided between them and the Seahawks. I see the Cardinals as the number 3.
Well said Suma. With Bowles gone I think this year will be a step back.
Cardinals won’t win the division. It feels like I am actually the only one in this forum who is low on the Cardinals. I think a lot of their defensive success had to do with the scheming by Todd Bowles and the created turnover margin. Cromartie and Bowles are gone and their only good pass rusher on the team is Calais Campbell. They finished 31st in PFF’s Pass Rush Grade and they didn’t really have a lot of good offensive lines to play against. They were outgained in a lot of their wins, even with Carson Palmer. After his second ACL tear, Palmer is probably a few hard hits away from getting sidelined the next game. Maybe they are going to win one game against the Seahawks but they will lose both games against the Rams. I don’t know if you watched all divisional games last season, but the Rams were almost ahead of everyone. Their defense is one of the best in the league. They gave up the 5th-fewest points and the 2nd-fewest since week 9, and they were only 2nd because the Seahawks played CK7 twice, Mark Sanchez, Ryan Lindley, Shaun Hill & Drew Stanton.
With another QB, the Rams would have been a 10-6 or 11-5 team. They dominated the Seahawks and Cardinals. They were up 21-3 against the Seahawks in the first game and SHOULD HAVE WON the second game. It was pure domination by their defense. Two crucial turnovers in Seahawks territory and the win was gone. They allowed just ONE touchdown against the Cardinals last season and they held them to 10 points through three quarters at Arizona and leading 14-10, even though Carson Palmer threw a bunch of perfect passes. The reasons they weren’t a 10-6 team were stupid Austin Davis and stupid Shaun Hill. And sometimes a stupid big play given up by the secondary (McLeod/Gaines). It also wasn’t easy to learn the complex system from Gregg Williams. I expect his aggressive style to be more successful with the defense being the same like last season (except the addition of Nick Fairley). From what I’ve read, Gaines and McLeod look improved on reading the offensive plays. With Nick Foles and Todd Gurley this team is going to surprise and I expect the division to be decided between them and the Seahawks. I see the Cardinals as the number 3.
Well said Suma. With Bowles gone I think this year will be a step back.
they looked just fine in the 1st quarter today.....
cardinals STILL getting no love for the public. (like the last 2 years never happened.....) i know everyone says they are bound for a regression, but it might not be so cut and dry. arians has a bit of a tebow effect in close games and that secondary isn't going to give up 3rd and longs
they looked just fine in the 1st quarter today.....
cardinals STILL getting no love for the public. (like the last 2 years never happened.....) i know everyone says they are bound for a regression, but it might not be so cut and dry. arians has a bit of a tebow effect in close games and that secondary isn't going to give up 3rd and longs
also idk about foles as a qb. still need to see him do something outside of chip kelly's system. he still seems like the kind of qb the cards' d eats for breakfast
also idk about foles as a qb. still need to see him do something outside of chip kelly's system. he still seems like the kind of qb the cards' d eats for breakfast
i know stats say they are gonna regress. i trust stats 95% of the time, i also know this team seems like one of the 5% teams. they love to go for home run plays(and often connect) so IMO stats are a bit misleading in their case. pretty sure everyone knows they lost bowles, so that's factored into the lines. the way this team is constructed lends them to do better than average in close games(on things like RZ defense especially). will they win every close game? probably not. will they win more than their fair share of close games again? you bet
in any case, betting against this team (and really, any team with a good defense) never really sits well with me
i know stats say they are gonna regress. i trust stats 95% of the time, i also know this team seems like one of the 5% teams. they love to go for home run plays(and often connect) so IMO stats are a bit misleading in their case. pretty sure everyone knows they lost bowles, so that's factored into the lines. the way this team is constructed lends them to do better than average in close games(on things like RZ defense especially). will they win every close game? probably not. will they win more than their fair share of close games again? you bet
in any case, betting against this team (and really, any team with a good defense) never really sits well with me
Cards won some games last year they shouldn't even have been in. They still don't have a clear answer at running back. They're secondary is weaker. Their QB, Carson Palmer, isn't getting younger and was never elite, albeit better than average.
Expect the decline...it's coming for the Cardinals.
Cards won some games last year they shouldn't even have been in. They still don't have a clear answer at running back. They're secondary is weaker. Their QB, Carson Palmer, isn't getting younger and was never elite, albeit better than average.
Expect the decline...it's coming for the Cardinals.
something about this team just defies the odds imo. arians is really good at scraping every piece of meat off the bone. i really think blindly tailing them every game this season will be profitable again lol
something about this team just defies the odds imo. arians is really good at scraping every piece of meat off the bone. i really think blindly tailing them every game this season will be profitable again lol
palmer is way closer to kurt warner than lindley, trust me.
also being down 7 pts against az is like being down 14 points against any other team. i watched most their games last season, the scoreline may appear close on paper but their lead was rarely seriously threatened. most of the times the opposing offenses couldn't even get within fg range, much less sniff the end zone (especially the lions, i can't believe i bet on them lol). so there's that too
palmer is way closer to kurt warner than lindley, trust me.
also being down 7 pts against az is like being down 14 points against any other team. i watched most their games last season, the scoreline may appear close on paper but their lead was rarely seriously threatened. most of the times the opposing offenses couldn't even get within fg range, much less sniff the end zone (especially the lions, i can't believe i bet on them lol). so there's that too
division at +210 now lol. even now it might be a good deal. seattle is already two games behind. obviously they will play better but i'm not sure kam is replaceable. rams still have some growing pains while the 49ers secondary is in tatters
apparently you can still find +2500 sb odds somewhere online. i would still take it with romo's injury, cowboys can still win the division, but it will be a tougher call. packers are still a beast without jordy nelson but in a close game, mccarthy will kick a fg on 4th and goal from the 1 while arians will run a misdirection screen for a td on 3rd and goal from the 7 or something. lol, also cards HOST the packers in week 16 in a game that could decide the #1 seed in the nfc.
division at +210 now lol. even now it might be a good deal. seattle is already two games behind. obviously they will play better but i'm not sure kam is replaceable. rams still have some growing pains while the 49ers secondary is in tatters
apparently you can still find +2500 sb odds somewhere online. i would still take it with romo's injury, cowboys can still win the division, but it will be a tougher call. packers are still a beast without jordy nelson but in a close game, mccarthy will kick a fg on 4th and goal from the 1 while arians will run a misdirection screen for a td on 3rd and goal from the 7 or something. lol, also cards HOST the packers in week 16 in a game that could decide the #1 seed in the nfc.
You got better odds than I did. I put $25 on the Cards at 4/1 to win the division and 25/1 to win the SB. It probably won't hit but I also have the Pats at 10/1 to win the SB for another $25 so at least I have a shot on each side.
You got better odds than I did. I put $25 on the Cards at 4/1 to win the division and 25/1 to win the SB. It probably won't hit but I also have the Pats at 10/1 to win the SB for another $25 so at least I have a shot on each side.
You got better odds than I did. I put $25 on the Cards at 4/1 to win the division and 25/1 to win the SB. It probably won't hit but I also have the Pats at 10/1 to win the SB for another $25 so at least I have a shot on each side.
at minus to win the division cards would still be a good deal
You got better odds than I did. I put $25 on the Cards at 4/1 to win the division and 25/1 to win the SB. It probably won't hit but I also have the Pats at 10/1 to win the SB for another $25 so at least I have a shot on each side.
at minus to win the division cards would still be a good deal
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