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#126
Posted: 10/31/2009 4:40:40 PM
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Steel, i sent u a freind request because i saw 1 of ur other posts about "ezsportspicks." Do u have a group for their plays?

Check your messages dude... I just left you one.  Later.

 

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#127
Posted: 10/31/2009 4:42:44 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by The Garfather:

Football is a team game.  QBs don't win games and they don't lose them, not alone.  They are the single most important individual player on the field though.

Big Ben has a good chance to be a part of 4 or 5 Super Bowl winning teams from what I can tell.  That is really impressive anyway you slice the bread.

Can't argue with anything there...

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Posted: 1/4/2010 8:31:06 PM

     Well... Big Ben wont get his 3rd ring this year.

     Reading the comments made in this thread make me laugh.  The year has ended, and my team is not even in the playoffs.  It's the 13th time a SB champion has not made the playoffs the following year.  So it happens 30.2% of the time to date.  Roughly a third of the time. 

     The Steelers D had it's problems this year, as did their special teams.  If Burnett catches the interception (the one that my 2 year old niece could have caught) late in the Raiders game, the Steelers probably go to the playoffs.  If, if, if... 

     In this thread Ben has been called good, average, respectable... However, it is no fault of his that they went 9-7 and missed the playoffs.  His 288.5 yds/game is third in the NFL.  His 66.6% completion percentage was 5th.  His 100.5 passer rating was 5th in the league.  His interception percentage was 2.37.  And that's pretty damn good.  He threw for more yards than Favre, Rivers, and Warner.  He threw for just 60 less yards than Brees.  Seventy less than Brady.  His numbers compare with Brady and Manning this year, and by that I mean they are every bit as impressive.  Not in the neighborhood or in the ballpark.  They are every bit as good, and in some catagories, better.

     So he again proved this year that he is not good or average, but far better.  To say he is average is equivalent to saying Brady is average.  It's equivalent to saying Manning is average. 

     Of course the Steelers' five game losing skid had alot to do with their not making the playoffs.  The losses came by 3, 3, 3, 6, and 7 points.  My point is they could have easily made the playoffs had things gone just a little different.  Again, as his numbers this year indicate, is was no fault of Ben's.  He was voted their team MVP, but with any good quarterback, you need support.  Their defense on paper looks pretty good, but in the 4th quarter they were horrid, and I believe they LED THE LEAGUE in points allowed in that quarter.  The Chargers won the AFC West last year going 8-8.  The Steelers weren't that lucky this year. 

     So has he been carried by the defense in the past?  No.  His numbers this year are as strong as nearly anyone in the league.  They're not competing for a SB title because their team wasn't quite good enough to win 10 games.  There may not be another QB in the league that could have carried this team to the playoffs.  But next year, I'm sure they'll be back. 

     So the whole point of this rant is merely to say that calling Ben "average" or "respectable" is simply ridiculous.  And this will be the last time I post anything on this subject.  Because in all reality (and I mean no disrespect to anyone by saying this), you can only tell a child so many times that 2 x 3 is not 5.

Take a look at the list of the all time leaders in QB rating.  You'll never, and I mean never, guess who is number 1.  Keep in mind this wont change for another 8 months or so.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Good luck to all.  I hope you make a ton of money off these playoff games.  As always, they'll be fun to watch.

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Posted: 1/4/2010 8:39:25 PM
Way to blame the defence, that same defence that won Ben his two super bowls.
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Posted: 1/4/2010 8:42:02 PM
Also, Big Ben is average at best.
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Posted: 1/4/2010 8:43:30 PM
The comments in this thread are both hysterical and mind boggling.

#7 won last year's super bowl. Did you watch the last 3 minutes?

Yet people are calling him "average" and all the rest.




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Posted: 1/4/2010 8:48:45 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

The comments in this thread are both hysterical and mind boggling.

#7 won last year's super bowl. Did you watch the last 3 minutes?

Yet people are calling him "average" and all the rest.






Did you see the play before HT that won the Steelers the Superbowl. Put Big Ben on the Chargers, Colts or Pats and those teams are not playoff teams. Yep, he is average.
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Posted: 1/4/2010 9:05:07 PM
Did you see the play before HT that won the Steelers the Superbowl.

Again, hysterical.

Um, that didn't win the game. You either didn't watch are are being obtuse on purpose.

Yep, he is average
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Um, yeah. His 100.5 passer rating is real "average"

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Posted: 1/4/2010 9:19:43 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Did you see the play before HT that won the Steelers the Superbowl.

Again, hysterical.

Um, that didn't win the game. You either didn't watch are are being obtuse on purpose.

Yep, he is average
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Um, yeah. His 100.5 passer rating is real "average"



Um, that play did win them the SB because if it was not for that play, Arizona would of blew them out. That play changed the whole dimension of the game.

Congrats on his 100 pass rating
Are they in the playoffs? Where was Big Ben in the game vs the Brownies, in a must win?
Average at best
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Posted: 1/4/2010 9:37:39 PM
i would take ben over every qb in the nfl outside of manning, brady, and brees and brees is pushing it

peyton is #1 and not even close

big ben is a hall of famer IMO. if you say he's average you've never seen him elude sacks with one hand and extend a play by 5 seconds then find a receiver 35 yards downfield
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Posted: 1/4/2010 9:38:22 PM
and last year the Pitt O line was average at best
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Posted: 1/4/2010 10:10:17 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by KOAJ:

i would take ben over every qb in the nfl outside of manning, brady, and brees and brees is pushing it

peyton is #1 and not even close

big ben is a hall of famer IMO. if you say he's average you've never seen him elude sacks with one hand and extend a play by 5 seconds then find a receiver 35 yards downfield


Then you've never seem him elude sacks and fumble the ball. The guy is not a HOF, that is a complete joke. Once again I'll say it, his defence won him the 2 super bowls.
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Posted: 1/4/2010 10:18:02 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     He'll be the first QB to do it too.  Stay tuned...
 
 

 

He should be glad he won 2. With Tomlin as Head Coach he won't win another one.

 

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Posted: 1/4/2010 10:25:33 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by heeeeeh:



Then you've never seem him elude sacks and fumble the ball. The guy is not a HOF, that is a complete joke. Once again I'll say it, his defence won him the 2 super bowls.



He is the main reason they advanced in 05.Go back and do your home work before you call him average.He's done so many things we start to forget them.He's only been in the leauge 6 years and has contributed as much as anyone to the 2 Super Bowls..
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Posted: 1/4/2010 10:35:23 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bluesplayer:




He is the main reason they advanced in 05.Go back and do your home work before you call him average.He's done so many things we start to forget them.He's only been in the leauge 6 years and has contributed as much as anyone to the 2 Super Bowls..


His 22.6 QB Rating in the Superbowl vs the Seahawks really won them the SB Should I say the SB that was fixed.
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Posted: 1/4/2010 10:41:41 PM
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Then you've never seem him elude sacks and fumble the ball. The guy is not a HOF, that is a complete joke. Once again I'll say it, his defence won him the 2 super bowls.

beg to differ his defense gave up a 50 yard go ahead td with less tha 3 minutes left in the game -- he then went out from his own 20 and threw for a 1st down only to have it called back on a penalty marked off halfway back to his own goal line where he then extended a play running parallel to the line of scrimmage completed a pass for another 1st down and as they say the rest is History -- Super Bowl History  

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Posted: 1/4/2010 10:45:18 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by heeeeeh:



His 22.6 QB Rating in the Superbowl vs the Seahawks really won them the SB Should I say the SB that was fixed.



Typical NFL fourm garbage.......Your a hater..and probubly have a small penis...
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Posted: 1/4/2010 10:57:38 PM
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Typical NFL fourm garbage.......Your a hater..and probubly have a small penis...


Great comeback

Doesn't change the fact that Ben is as average as Trent Dilfer
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Posted: 1/4/2010 11:03:15 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by swahili:

beg to differ his defense gave up a 50 yard go ahead td with less tha 3 minutes left in the game -- he then went out from his own 20 and threw for a 1st down only to have it called back on a penalty marked off halfway back to his own goal line where he then extended a play running parallel to the line of scrimmage completed a pass for another 1st down and as they say the rest is History -- Super Bowl History  



The same defence that have Big Ben a 10pt lead instead of a 4 pt deficit at HT. Not to mention was the defence did in the AFC Championship game. Defence wins Championships, and that statement is completely true when it comes to Ben Worthlessberger and the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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Posted: 1/4/2010 11:06:35 PM
and the colts didn't get every call in the playoff game against the steelers in 05 - polamalu interception overturned - that game was just as "fixed" as the superbowl but youre boy Manning couldnt get it done
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Posted: 1/4/2010 11:13:05 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by swahili:

and the colts didn't get every call in the playoff game against the steelers in 05 - polamalu interception overturned - that game was just as "fixed" as the superbowl but youre boy Manning couldnt get it done


Are we talking about the Colts? Who said I was a Colts fan? Why are you changing the subject?
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Posted: 1/4/2010 11:18:53 PM

cause you obviously will never change youre opinion of Ben

you brought up a game you said was fixed 

who is youre team?

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Posted: 1/4/2010 11:21:38 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by swahili:

cause you obviously will never change youre opinion of Ben

you brought up a game you said was fixed 

who is youre team?



No I will not change my opinion on Ben because he will never carry a team to the playoffs like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or Philip Rivers has. Why does it matter who my team is?
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Posted: 1/4/2010 11:33:59 PM

Learn how to spell defense, God you sound so stupid. You probably think Flacco's the next Young.

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Posted: 1/4/2010 11:38:11 PM
i just skipped through 9 pages of posts to see this comment..if tomlin doesnt screw that team up..ben will have at least 4 when its all said and done...
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