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To summarize this thread in very basic terms......a man claiming to be a professional handicapper who ran a MLB thread but never once posted his units wagered and simply claimed success without a single piece of justifiable evidence, decided to run an NFL thread.  Except this time he decided to actually post his units so a 3rd party could track his success.  It took him less than half the season to start making very large units wagers (38 on one game), start losing, and the completely quit.........and people are mad that he has stopped posting?

Quick side note I admittedly tailed his picks for 2-3 weeks during the MLB thread.  I am not proud of it but I did.  In those 2-3 weeks he never once posted his units, but he sent private messages to many people indicating he was betting 8 units on RLs, 2-4 on MLs, 6 on 1st 5 innings, and 2 on Over Unders. Of course he also claimed that it changed daily but never once explained that.  My point is this..........in my 2 or 3 weeks tailing SN I played the MM noted above and lost large sums of money, while at the same time SN was claiming large gains.  One days he was 3-1 he was claiming 20 units won.  On days he was 1-3 he was claiming 2 units lost.  I am telling you I read that post EVERY DAY, and it was amazing how ridiculous his claims were. And don't even get me started on the lines he was claiming he found. It was out of control.

Don't get me wrong I wanted him to continue this NFL thread because I wanted to see his total hole after 17 weeks, but I sure as hell didn't expect to learn anything or make any money following his picks.

And if someone wants to say that they are learning something from SN, please tell me what you learned?  He never once gave advice for handicapping football, he simply said we need to understand the game, how it changes minute to minute, and that we need to watch 50 hours of game film.

My point is this....I enjoyed reading this thread too and I like to hear many different sources each week before I make my picks.  But there are a lot of tailers out there who believed SN's bs (me during MLB season), who stood to lose a lot of money.  This person never once generated proven success, so why should anyone be eager to get his advice on a game?

To summarize this thread in very basic terms......a man claiming to be a professional handicapper who ran a MLB thread but never once posted his units wagered and simply claimed success without a single piece of justifiable evidence, decided to run an NFL thread.  Except this time he decided to actually post his units so a 3rd party could track his success.  It took him less than half the season to start making very large units wagers (38 on one game), start losing, and the completely quit.........and people are mad that he has stopped posting?

Quick side note I admittedly tailed his picks for 2-3 weeks during the MLB thread.  I am not proud of it but I did.  In those 2-3 weeks he never once posted his units, but he sent private messages to many people indicating he was betting 8 units on RLs, 2-4 on MLs, 6 on 1st 5 innings, and 2 on Over Unders. Of course he also claimed that it changed daily but never once explained that.  My point is this..........in my 2 or 3 weeks tailing SN I played the MM noted above and lost large sums of money, while at the same time SN was claiming large gains.  One days he was 3-1 he was claiming 20 units won.  On days he was 1-3 he was claiming 2 units lost.  I am telling you I read that post EVERY DAY, and it was amazing how ridiculous his claims were. And don't even get me started on the lines he was claiming he found. It was out of control.

Don't get me wrong I wanted him to continue this NFL thread because I wanted to see his total hole after 17 weeks, but I sure as hell didn't expect to learn anything or make any money following his picks.

And if someone wants to say that they are learning something from SN, please tell me what you learned?  He never once gave advice for handicapping football, he simply said we need to understand the game, how it changes minute to minute, and that we need to watch 50 hours of game film.

My point is this....I enjoyed reading this thread too and I like to hear many different sources each week before I make my picks.  But there are a lot of tailers out there who believed SN's bs (me during MLB season), who stood to lose a lot of money.  This person never once generated proven success, so why should anyone be eager to get his advice on a game?

I had the guy pegged from the start, but people got mad at me when i called him out.  When you have beena round this game for close to 30 years, its not hard to spot the bullshit artists real easy.

My advice to anybody looking to tail somebody, if they dont keep a daily record of units won and lost, then dont follow that person. Run away as far as you can get from them, because they are just losers or tout wanna bes."

I think that s_N was here to educate and elucidate and enlighten us on "watching film". Of course, daily units won and lost are important in one's money management. But the purpose was not to pick games but rather to assign "weights" to each "release". In the NFL, most odds are at -110.So the breakeven is around 52 or 53%. If your daily units won are positive, then your picking a good amount of winners.IF negative, not many winners, just losers. If s_N were to keep a daily record of his units won or lost, we should not be inclined to follow it like a book, letter for letter.

I have followed his picks and I use it as part of my handicapping tools quite often. However, without his presence, then only his method is left. We can use that as part of our "management" system.