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#26 Posted: 2/22/2012 1:45:27 AM ....Not trying to be an behind but there are some young people that don't quite appreciate the overwhelming military that Israel has had for decades. (Brought to you by the United States Of America)
In my humble opinion (simple terms), the USA is responding very well. Israel will not, (hopefully) make a move. Obama has handled it impressively - we'll see.. |
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#27 Posted: 2/22/2012 1:51:01 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by thorpe:
Without using nukes, there is very little damage that Israel can do to Iran. Israel does not have an aircraft carrier, so their planes would have to fly 1000 miles each way to get to Iran and back to Israel. They could refuel in midair but even with that the payloads they can carry are not going to be that large. It is possible that Israel does this, but I responding to an allegation that Israel would wipe Iran off the map, and to do that properly they would need to park aircraft carriers off the coast of Iran.
You call the Muslims insane, but it is the white people who have been starting 99% of wars since WWI.
Israel has land based missiles with , with a range of 11,500 km
Israel has submarines with cruise missiles, conventional and nuclear
Both missile systems are capable of carrying conventional, nuclear, biological weapons
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#28 Posted: 2/22/2012 1:59:05 AM
Jane's Defence Weekly reports that the
Dolphin class submarines are believed to be nuclear armed, offering
Israel a second strike capability.
The Federation of American Scientists
and GlobalSecurity.org report that the four larger torpedo tubes are
capable of launching Israeli built nuclear-armed Popeye Turbo cruise
missiles (a variant of the Popeye standoff missile),
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#29 Posted: 2/22/2012 2:01:38 AM
The Type 800 Dolphin
class is a diesel-electric submarine developed and constructed by
Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG (HDW), Germany for the Israeli Navy.
It is based on the export-only German 209 class submarines, but
modified and reduced and is thus not designated as a member of the
209 family. The Dolphin boats are the most expensive single vehicle
in the Israel Defense Forces and are considered among the most
sophisticated and capable conventionally powered submarines in the
world. They are widely believed to be armed with nuclear weapons
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#30 Posted: 2/22/2012 2:15:41 AM UK and U.S. 'draw up joint plan to
attack Iran
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#31 Posted: 2/22/2012 5:43:04 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
Because, surprisingly, Israel does still SLIGHTLY care about world opinion. If they didn't, they'd just bomb the country to smithereens in mass indiscriminate destruction. But that doesn't bode well for PR purposes.
I dont think that's the only reason, Israel would probably win the actual battle with Iran but It's the backlash they would receive from the likes of Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, Hamas etc that they wont be able to handle. Right now what problems do Israel face from Islamic terrorists??? A suicide bombing attempt from a Palestinian once every 4 months maybe? Why ruin a good thing. |
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#32 Posted: 2/22/2012 6:36:14 AM
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Israeli intelligence has quietly mapped out what military
officials describe as roughly 1,000 underground bunkers and hidden
weapons storage facilities and monitoring sites built by Hezbollah in
south Lebanon. Washington Post
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#33 Posted: 2/22/2012 7:52:10 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by searchwarrant: ....Not trying to be an behind but there are some young people that don't quite appreciate the overwhelming military that Israel has had for decades. (Bought to you by the United States Of America)
In my humble opinion (simple terms), the USA is responding very well. Israel will not, (hopefully) make a move. Obama has handled it impressively - we'll see..
there fixed it
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#35 Posted: 2/22/2012 8:53:28 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by searchwarrant: ....Not trying to be an behind but there are some young people that don't quite appreciate the overwhelming military that Israel has had for decades. (Brought to you by the United States Of America)
In my humble opinion (simple terms), the USA is responding very well. Israel will not, (hopefully) make a move. Obama has handled it impressively - we'll see.. By the way i remember around 3 years ago there was a row over some Israel agents accused of spying, in the U.S................then nothing. |
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#36 Posted: 2/22/2012 9:32:43 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by KOAJ:
We were a very non interventionist country before both WWs. The lusitania and pearl harbor got us in both times. In WW1, certain banks held a large amount of British war bonds that would have been worthless had they lost...hence the Lusitania was sent into German U-boat territory with civilians.
Gulf of Tonkin, bay of pigs....false flags or "set ups" have gotten us into a lot of problems. War is big business for those who finance the winning side
The sinking of the Lusitania was 2 years before the US entered the war, but it did allow for the US to give a lot of money and material to the allies. The main thing that turned US public opinion was atrocity stories about the Germans, almost all of which were complete fabrications by the British. We saw the same thing with Iraq.
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#37 Posted: 2/22/2012 1:20:08 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by wjeremy97:
doesn't iran have russia and china as allies?
They have at least given it lip service, but who knows if that means money and resources if bullets start flying. |
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#38 Posted: 2/22/2012 3:22:48 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by thorpe:
The sinking of the Lusitania was 2 years before the US entered the war, but it did allow for the US to give a lot of money and material to the allies. The main thing that turned US public opinion was atrocity stories about the Germans, almost all of which were complete fabrications by the British. We saw the same thing with Iraq.
propaganda takes time to work...iraq was different in that we saw no americans die at the hands of iraqis
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In August 1914, Henry P. Davison, a Morgan partner, traveled to the United Kingdom and made a deal with the Bank of England to make J.P. Morgan & Co. the sole underwriter of war bonds for the UK and France. The Bank of England became a fiscal agent of J.P. Morgan & Co., and vice versa.
The company also invested in the suppliers of war equipment to Britain
and France, thus profiting from the financing and purchasing activities
of the two European governments.
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that's a big fat investment. my understanding of finance is that you dont make a deal like this unless you will be a winner
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#39 Posted: 2/22/2012 7:51:31 PM Fun thread to work out the scenario. 
Actually go ahead and let Iran build their little bomb, means nothing. They'll never launch in a million years unless they all want to die a swift and horrible firey death at the hands of Western Allies.
Very silly. We now have to pay 5 bucks at the pump for all of this posturing thanks to sweet crude speculators in world markets. Complete bullshit. |
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#40 Posted: 2/22/2012 10:25:12 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by searchwarrant: Fun thread to work out the scenario.
Actually go ahead and let Iran build their little bomb, means nothing. They'll never launch in a million years unless they all want to die a swift and horrible firey death at the hands of Western Allies.
Very silly. We now have to pay 5 bucks at the pump for all of this posturing thanks to sweet crude speculators in world markets. Complete bullshit.
Search, you DO know they are Shia right? You know who the Shia worship? The loser in a war after the death over the Prophet Muhammad about who would follow him after his death! Their whole religion is based around the concept of martyrdom being something you STRIVE for.
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#41 Posted: 2/23/2012 12:26:26 AM  pencil me out. garbage load of people i would love to take out, people that have fucked with me in one way shape or form. i'm not into killing people i have never met personally.
RELIGION/land/resources is the biggest cause of fuckin near every war i figure. humans never learn from the past. too stupid i guess.
WW3 will happen soon i think. history will repeat it's self. as always just the way it is. pretty sad man. some of these countries are seriously fucked imo. |
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