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Posted: 3/11/2012 10:31:36 PM
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Posted: 3/11/2012 11:18:56 PM
SS - I wasn't calling you a boy SarasotaSlim. I guess that came out wrong. I meant it in a figure of speech. It was a bad choice of words on my part. This is a very interesting debate. I'm in the middle of something and wanted to check some scores and i saw your post and i wanted to make it clear that i wasn't calling you a kid. I will respond to your post as soon as I can.

ClubDirt – I could sense the sarcasm in your post. I was just responding to the last thing you said about “I take it you are not a republican”. I just wanted to make my political views known.

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Posted: 3/11/2012 11:27:01 PM
No problem Money ..it was said tongue in cheek
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Posted: 3/12/2012 3:18:01 PM
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Rev. Jeremiah Wright believes the US deserved to be attacked for all the hundreds of atrocities committed by the US government and those who voted for the atrocities to continue should be punished the same way as the innocent have been by the US government.

He believes that the US government has killed millions of innocent people and is an evil government and is getting a taste of it’s own medicine. I can see his point but the people that were killed were not government officials. That is where his beliefs are severely misguided and in poor taste.

The issue of Alan Dershowitz, I guess what I said again was a bad choice of words. I should have said what a surprise a white person questioning a black civil rights activist. Dr. Thomas Sowell’s view on Derrick Bell is his opinion and that is all it is. I would say 99 percent of blacks believe in the Critical Race Theory because they have real life experiences to back up their beliefs behind that theory. He is just a part of that one- percent that does not IMHOP.

I said, “Pretty much every black man was raised to despise and not trust white people in one form or another.” Which is true because black parents teach their children about 400 + years of history. Parents teach them to know that blacks were not allowed to even socialize and use the same things as whites, until the end of the 70s, and there is still a furtive civil war going on today.

I am assuming you have been taught about your family history SarasotaSlim. Just as I was and all families do. I am sure in black households the 400+ history is a huge topic of discussion from a very early age and parents talk about the racist things that have been done to them in their life. Non-whites share their stories with their children and let their kids be aware of the furtive war still going on today.

Rev.Wright wrongly believe they are still being persecuted because of an inability to escape the past....but in reality the only thing holding them back is themselves.

You see it is these kinds of statements, which fuel black sentiment and non-white sentiment. Forty years ago white people were forced to allow non-whites to use the same facilities as them and there are still white people, who believe non-whites are not equal.

I know people are tired of hearing about the past but 40 years is just not enough time to let the past go. Now maybe 200 years from now that generation will be able to move forward but as of right now there is still a fresh wound.

The reason I picked Martin Luther King Jr. as an example is that the same things being said about the men that “allegedly” mentored Obama were said about MLK. They called MLK a socialist, marxist, terrorist, racist, rapist, pervert, child molester, sexual predator, and a communist. You see the similarities in the accusations being thrown? That is why I believe it to be nothing but republican propaganda.

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Posted: 3/12/2012 11:09:11 PM

MoneySRH,

No need to worry about getting back with a comment,, you can post in a thread days latter if you like ..unless it's a in game political discussion thread...

In fact we have a guy who has been bumping a thread from 2011 debating himself with his own quotes and using < popcorn guy > as the only comment ..  

On to ...Obama's mentor Rev. Jeremiah Wright ..He believes the US deserved to be attacked for all the hundreds of atrocities committed by the US government ..one of them he claims is that white America created AIDS to infect and kill black people ....at the same time Rev.Wright heaps praise on Nation of Islam's leader Louis Farrakhan awarding him the Dr. Jeremiah A.Wright jr. Trumpeteer Award claiming Farrakhan had "truly epitomized greatness"...
 
Yes we are in agreement here Rev.Wright's beliefs are severely misguided and in tasteless..
 
Even after Rev.Wright made those statement 9/11 and AIDs Obama continued for 7 tears to attend Trinity United church ..till it became politically expedient ,then he abandoned his anti-American spiritual leader, his 20 year church membership....along with the whole congregation ...
 
When Obama resigned from Rev,Wright's church it wasn't because he stopped believing in his mentors message ..he said it was because ..the church had been suffering from the attention his campaign has focused on them ( the church ).......and that he would find another church home for his family ... well it will be 4 years this June since he left and he still hasn't found a church for himself and his family, that reflect the thoughts and beliefs of his last church ..either that or on Sunday he doesn't want to trade his putter for a pastor ..
 
One thing though we do disagree on ..it's when you say :
 
“Pretty much every black man was raised to despise and not trust white people in one form or another.” Which is true because black parents teach their children about 400 + years of history.
 
If this is true as you assert, then what you are saying is .. that Dr.Kings statement "A man should not be judged by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character " is not being taught in black homes by their parent/parents ....but they are taught to distrust all white people, because of their races is despicable ..
 
What black parents should be teaching their children is ...although there was slavery in America and civil rights abuses..it was thriugh the actions of white America that slavery was abolished.....
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Posted: 3/12/2012 11:14:02 PM
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Posted: 3/13/2012 12:33:27 AM

MoneySRH,

Those black parents can also teach their children, that although slavery was abolished amost 150 years ago in this country ...Slavery and the slave trade still exist in Africa and continues to today ........

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Posted: 3/13/2012 3:12:23 PM
SarasotaSlim,

Louis Farrakhan is not a bad person in my opinion but a crazy old man. I’m sure Louis Farrakhan has done many good things for the black community. Whites have to accept that Louis Farrakhan is a prominent black figure in the black community and there is nothing you can say to black people to change that.

Just because Obama viewed Rev. Wright as a good person, doesn’t mean he believed in everything he said. The reason Obama left the church was crazy white people and crazy white voters and their scared paranoid delusional beliefs about Rev. Wright. I have not been to church in years but I would enjoy going to Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s sermon. Rev. Jeremiah Wright is not anti-American. I believe he is anti-government.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright believes the government was involved in a AIDS/depopulation program in the 70s and used national security as a cover up. I know it sounds crazy but in my opinion, plausible. The CIA was also involved in the black crack epidemic, which was proven true. Now the CIA moved from crack to the heroin trade. The only thing I disagree with Rev. Wright on is using the deaths of American people as pawns to get his anti-government stance across.

If this is true as you assert, then what you are saying is .. that Dr.Kings statement "A man should not be judged by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character " is not being taught in black homes by their parent/parents ....but they are taught to distrust all white people, because of their races is despicable ..

Well the problem is that blacks believe they should automatically assume that all non-blacks are racist and decipher a person’s character second. And I don’t blame blacks one bit for thinking that way because of history and the furtive war still taking place.

 What black parents should be teaching their children is ...although there was slavery in America and civil rights abuses..it was through the actions of white America that slavery was abolished.....

I believe most blacks would give credit to Abraham Lincoln, Coretta Scott King, Rosa Parks, Ralph David Abernathy, Edgar Nixon, Bayard Rustin and Martin Luther King, Jr. These people would get the most credit for getting blacks some form of rights. Well whites put blacks into slavery to begin with and for whites to take credit for freeing blacks is an argument that would be frowned upon by blacks, I assume.

Those black parents can also teach their children, that although slavery was abolished amost 150 years ago in this country ...Slavery and the slave trade still exist in Africa and continues to today ........

You can tell people that slavery was abolished but modern day slavery exists today and a furtive civil war is still taking place today. I’m sure that blacks are aware of the problems that Africa is dealing with but are more concerned with their own lives and their families lives in the US.

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Posted: 3/13/2012 8:13:25 PM

MoneySRH,

It was fun debating the subject with you ....I appreciate the discussion and your views..and I now understand why you find nothing wrong with Rev.Wrights teachings ..it's because you are
ashamed of our country ...and you are intitled to that opinion..
 
Although some of your beliefs are assumptions [ on how black people as a whole think], that is also your opinion and as such it's impossible to debate opinions...
 
One last thing ...I would hope those parents are also telling them who first captured and enslaved them....making it possible for them to be brought to America..and that the slave trade was a traditional part of African society ..
 
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Posted: 3/13/2012 8:33:16 PM

Anybody that's not ashamed of certain things our country has done either has little to no awareness of historical events & the motives involved or has their head stuck up their butt. Or just doesn't give a damn & needs to think everything the US does is good & right or at least has had justification and/or noble intentions. And you don't have to go anywhere near back to slavery either.....

Not to say that there hasn't been many, many things to be collectively proud of as well -

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Posted: 3/13/2012 8:58:11 PM
wow there's alot of Spin on this thread
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Posted: 3/13/2012 9:31:02 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:

wow there's alot of Spin on this thread

What are some examples of spin in this thread?
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Posted: 3/13/2012 9:42:03 PM
SarasotaSlim – Like wise

My Global/Cultural studies are what form my views on the subjects that we discussed.

Yeah, Africans sold slaves to whites but some slaves were taken at gunpoint also. Slavery was pretty much world wide at one point. The captors will never take as much blame as the slave owners do. The slave owners and 400+ years of American history will always override the topic of the captors that made slavery in the US possible.

Yes, I am ashamed of my government’s actions, ashamed of the American people, and ashamed that I have to align myself with many these people but if I am asked… I will say... I am an American dammit. I like the ideals this country was founded upon but actions speak louder than words. The bad far out ways the good that this country is responsible for. The good things the US has accomplished like WW1, WW2, The civil war, blacks being allowed equal access, all races, and cultures started intertwining etc...

Then something happened in the 70s that made the US go from bad to worse. Nixon took over this country, and is the number one reason why this country is so screwed up today. Nixon destroyed this country so bad that I do not believe it will ever recover from his administration. Then Ford, Reagan, Carter, and Bush continued destroying this country into the nightmare, it has become, and the hell continues.

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