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Author: [Politics] Topic: The Massive scope of entitlement spending will buckle this nation
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Posted: 9/3/2012 6:12:41 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

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why do senior citizens need a $1.2 trillion dollar drug benefit when the country is fighting a global war and borrowing $2 billion a day?

Because congress is owned by private lobbyists, PACS and corporations...we allow drug companies to recoup their profits and R&D for the world through gouging the US consumer.

Reality is that 1.2 T drug benefit isnt even enough..have you spoken to seniors on that program and the holes the program has even with the dollar figure you reference?
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Posted: 9/3/2012 6:16:44 PM
Reality is that 1.2 T drug benefit isnt even enough..have you spoken to seniors on that program and the holes the program has even with the dollar figure you reference?


I believe your healthcare isn't my problem.

Just as my mortgage shouldn't be your problem.

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Posted: 9/3/2012 6:34:33 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Reality is that 1.2 T drug benefit isnt even enough..have you spoken to seniors on that program and the holes the program has even with the dollar figure you reference?


I believe your healthcare isn't my problem.

Just as my mortgage shouldn't be your problem.


It isnt my health care..and yes if you live in a UNION, then the economics and finances of all is of your concern.

If you want to live in your own oasis and not be part of a union then you probably should not be living in this country.

The costs of any one person effects all in this society, directly and indirectly.
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Posted: 9/4/2012 12:49:42 AM

Lets see, why do the same drugs shipped to Canada from our drug conmpanies here cost less then the same drugs we buy here

wonder why that is?

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Posted: 9/4/2012 12:50:35 AM
It couldnt be the drug corporations fleecing Americans and the system by any chance, now could it?
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Posted: 9/4/2012 12:53:34 AM

Wall, you hit the nail right on the head.  Some of these guys here want to have the benefits of the type of society we live in, yet they dont want to contribute to that union.

They believe our country should just be everybody for themselves

Why they dont move to other countries where they wont have to girl about this stuff daily is beyond me.

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Posted: 9/4/2012 1:02:22 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


It isnt my health care..and yes if you live in a UNION, then the economics and finances of all is of your concern.

If you want to live in your own oasis and not be part of a union then you probably should not be living in this country.

The costs of any one person effects all in this society, directly and indirectly.


Subjective view. Many disagree. Not a nanny state. You take care of yourself, others will do the same. If you absolutely need help, it will be provided. No one wants to carry an able bodied slacker.

No end to your socialist model. Ultimately removes all grounds for motivation and success.
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Posted: 9/4/2012 8:43:42 AM

It isnt my health care..and yes if you live in a UNION, then the economics and finances of all is of your concern.

No it isn't. And that belief has gotten America $16 trillion in debt, and a Mediare program with almost that much in unfunded liabilities.

The good news is, it will all come crashing down.

 

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Posted: 9/4/2012 11:28:55 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

It isnt my health care..and yes if you live in a UNION, then the economics and finances of all is of your concern.

No it isn't. And that belief has gotten America $16 trillion in debt, and a Mediare program with almost that much in unfunded liabilities.

The good news is, it will all come crashing down.

 


I got news for you..the debt of this country is yours and mine, it is on the backs of all citizens.

The cost of healthcare is a cost to you, indirectly obviously but unless you are on an independent commune where you have no interaction with society, all costs are shared in the economy.

Not sure how this concept is so tough to understand..but make sure to throw out some Ummmms and a fact-less reply for good measure.
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Posted: 9/4/2012 11:53:05 AM

The cost of healthcare is a cost to you,

Well sure it is. But me having to pay for someone else's, shouldn't be a cost to me.

And, me having to pay someone else's health insurance is driving up the costs.

When you get me out of the equation, the costs will go down.

 

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Posted: 9/4/2012 12:05:38 PM
You are never out of the equation if you are a citizen of this country.

There is not a single economic equation you can remove yourself from.

Also, you benefit from this country, it is not all take take take and you give give give.

There are plenty of places you can choose to live that maximize your desired goal..and a nice thing about this country is you always have choice in the matter of where you live.

This reminds me of a discussion I used to have with another extreme member many times in the past.
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Posted: 9/4/2012 12:32:43 PM

wall

the question is how far does it go? where does it end?

I benefit from this country and I pay taxes to maintain this country that I benefit from.

I have no problem helping those in need but IMHO we dont need to transform this great nation into a socialist nanny state.

As far as choices of places to live I actually know people who have moved bc they can get more from the system in another locale than they could where they were presently residing.

That's just FUCKED UP!

 

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Posted: 9/4/2012 12:39:11 PM

You are never out of the equation if you are a citizen of this country.

For the overwhelming majority of America's existence, citicizens did not pay for other's health insurance via taxation.

So you can quit these type of assertions any time now.

Also, you benefit from this country, it is not all take take take and you give give give.
 
There are 10's of millions of people in America who have never held a job and who have done nothing but take, take, take from the productive.
 
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Posted: 9/4/2012 8:21:45 PM

move daroad and you wont have to deal with this stuff you hate so much.  good luck with the country you move to

Just think if you move to another country, look at all the stress that will be removed from your life. On top of that, you will have so much more time in life to do things, since you wont have to spend hours upon hours daily surfing the net looking for politicial articles to post, since it wont be effecting you anymore.

HAPPY TRAILS DAROAD, ENJOY YOUR NEW STRESS FREE LIFE

 

Its funny how some people believe that the country should be run how they want it to run, instead of how society as a whole wants it run.

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Posted: 9/4/2012 8:30:26 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lordspoint:

wall

the question is how far does it go? where does it end?

I benefit from this country and I pay taxes to maintain this country that I benefit from.

I have no problem helping those in need but IMHO we dont need to transform this great nation into a socialist nanny state.

As far as choices of places to live I actually know people who have moved bc they can get more from the system in another locale than they could where they were presently residing.

That's just FUCKED UP!

 


Well we have discussed this before, if your focus is on reducing taxes then you have to shape your decisions off that focus and find the least ammt of taxation you can, which if you work hard can eliminate a large percentage..but with obvious and not so obvious downsides to those decisions.

The end? Well death is the end of everyone so I suppose that is the real end.

The end to taxation? That would be finding a country without taxation or going off of the records and understanding that decision..meaning you have no claim to the benefit of society if you choose to go that route.

More than likely the issues we are facing wont slow or stop because we have allowed money to control politics, so the real owner of you and I is the end game of those who control the money and thus the power.

Government isnt able to fix itself because it is not controlled by politicians and citizens on the individual level..until that is fixed I am not sure there will be any relief long term.
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Posted: 9/4/2012 9:39:14 PM

Very well put Wall

 

Money and power has destroyed the country, and its only going to get worse before it every gets better

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Posted: 9/4/2012 9:57:38 PM
So are you saying that corps control the pols who control the populace by buying their votes with entitlements?

I am not against taxation - without it the govt fails and we become a lawless land.

However, Koaj would say we have to starve the power and money brokers in order to enact reform. If corps and pols control us all then maybe he was correct?
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Posted: 9/4/2012 10:29:31 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lordspoint:

So are you saying that corps control the pols who control the populace by buying their votes with entitlements?

I am not against taxation - without it the govt fails and we become a lawless land.

However, Koaj would say we have to starve the power and money brokers in order to enact reform. If corps and pols control us all then maybe he was correct?

How can you starve the brokers when they are feeding the institution? That does not work.

Corps and special interests own politicians..without them the politicians do not get elected..so do the math and see the result.

Koaj never discussed ridding the government of special interests and corporate influence..his main focus was the FED and complaining about taxation.

If you focus on the end number when the equation cannot be altered what does it accomplish?

The answer is quite simple, it is not all that hard to get special interests and money out of politics.
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