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Nut_Flopper PM Nut_Flopper
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Posted: 3/12/2012 3:14:24 PM
Why would you allow someone to cast a vote without showing proper identification?




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Posted: 3/12/2012 3:33:06 PM
Lets watch the Libs spin themselves dizzy on this one. 
captjohn67 PM captjohn67
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Posted: 3/12/2012 3:43:25 PM

because "as many as 11% of the voting population (21 million) do not have access to a gov't issued i.d." according to the Brennan Center for Justice

i was not aware that under section 5 of the voting acts right (1965) that southern states had to get preclearnace from the dept of justice to change voting requirements

also, which states require what...

http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id-state-requirements.aspx

 

 

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Posted: 3/12/2012 4:17:03 PM
Libs know people without ID will usually vote for them.

These people don't have a problem with it. 

That has fraud written all over it. If you don't need ID to vote then how will the people at the place know who is actually voting. If this scam was done on a large scale this could sway an election.
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Posted: 3/12/2012 4:22:10 PM
What is "proper identification", and does it constitute a poll tax of some kind if the "proper identification" requires a fee of some sort? I imagine most states offer a form of state ID that can be received for free on some sort of fee waiver if you are indigent.
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Posted: 3/12/2012 4:26:46 PM

In my town we have to show ID when voting for people on the town council as well as state elected officials.

It should be a national law to show ID when voting for the office of president as well as senate and House of Reps.

What year are we living in anyways?

 

lordspoint PM lordspoint
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Posted: 3/12/2012 4:28:13 PM

it's a right to vote and if want that right you can find a way to get a valid ID

wah, wah, wah

 

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Posted: 3/12/2012 4:41:12 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

What is "proper identification", and does it constitute a poll tax of some kind if the "proper identification" requires a fee of some sort? I imagine most states offer a form of state ID that can be received for free on some sort of fee waiver if you are indigent.

see my link for what constitutes proper identification per each state. Alabama charges $23.50 for a non driver i.d. I can find no indication where you can get one for free.(though there certainly might be one)

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Posted: 3/12/2012 5:13:14 PM
This is one of the very few issues, which I agree with republicans on and the left is delusional on this issue. How about the government or charities create an ID voucher program. I cannot believe there is such a controversy over 20 bucks.

You need a picture ID to board an airplane, get a job, set up bank accounts, and in order to make certain purchases. I have had an ID since I was a teenager. When I was old enough I got a driver’s license.

I cannot remember a time that I did not walk around with an ID, birth certificate, and social security card. I grew up constantly harassed by authority, so I always carried these things to shut them the hell up.

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Posted: 3/12/2012 5:15:03 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

What is "proper identification", and does it constitute a poll tax of some kind if the "proper identification" requires a fee of some sort? I imagine most states offer a form of state ID that can be received for free on some sort of fee waiver if you are indigent.


i believe SC law said there would be no fee, you could get the ID the same day as the election, and if there was some sort of extreme hardship, you could still vote and get your ID ex post facto (that means after the fact cd)

ive always wonder why libs dont cry foul that you need an ID to get a library card.  shouldnt that be considered racists as keeping the po' colored folk unlearned?  or could it be bc libs want a unlearned base so they keep voting for them?
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Posted: 3/12/2012 5:16:41 PM
doing my best fried shrimp impersonation here....

i wonder if the stats from texas include hispanics who cannot get an ID bc they are here illegally, or if they only included those who legally can vote.
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Posted: 3/12/2012 5:21:22 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

This is one of the very few issues, which I agree with republicans on and the left is delusional on this issue. How about the government or charities create an ID voucher program. I cannot believe there is such a controversy over 20 bucks.

You need a picture ID to board an airplane, get a job, set up bank accounts, and in order to make certain purchases. I have had an ID since I was a teenager. When I was old enough I got a driver’s license.

I cannot remember a time that I did not walk around with an ID, birth certificate, and social security card. I grew up constantly harassed by authority, so I always carried these things to shut them the hell up.

kaponofor3 PM kaponofor3
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Posted: 3/12/2012 5:31:34 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

This is one of the very few issues, which I agree with republicans on and the left is delusional on this issue. How about the government or charities create an ID voucher program. I cannot believe there is such a controversy over 20 bucks.

You need a picture ID to board an airplane, get a job, set up bank accounts, and in order to make certain purchases. I have had an ID since I was a teenager. When I was old enough I got a driver’s license.

I cannot remember a time that I did not walk around with an ID, birth certificate, and social security card. I grew up constantly harassed by authority, so I always carried these things to shut them the hell up.



Very true, but boarding an airplane, getting a job, setting up bank accounts, and making various purchases are not an exercise of your civil rights as an individual and US citizen. Case law is clear that you cannot set up unreasonable impediments to the exercise of voting rights.
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Posted: 3/12/2012 5:41:21 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:



Very true, but boarding an airplane, getting a job, setting up bank accounts, and making various purchases are not an exercise of your civil rights as an individual and US citizen. Case law is clear that you cannot set up unreasonable impediments to the exercise of voting rights.
I'm from Texas and in order to register to vote. You have to prove who you are with something with your name on it and you need a social security card.
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Posted: 3/12/2012 5:45:52 PM
unreasonable impediments?

understand your quoting the law or the interpretation...but shouldn't one have to prove that one is a citizen to vote.... 

I know it is damn near a useless right at the moment because things never are what they seem, but nevertheless I certainly think it should be more than just 'showing your face' at 'numerous' locations and sstating bullshit whatever and getting your $5 / vote bribe!

why is it that the constitution is 'old' sometimes but not others?....when there is a general election for the very powerful office of POTUS why cannot there be other 'things' on the docket....
like a vote on immigration or a vote on this or that.....

limit the number of laws whatever that are up for vote at the time but get the main ones that are the CORE of all the damn disagreements.....and state the damn law so a fifth grader could understand it!!!!   ...and in ENGLISH! 

wayyyyyyy toooooo much political correctness.....geez, don't hurt whitie's feelings or embarrass Jose or piss of ACHMED 
Nut_Flopper PM Nut_Flopper
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Posted: 3/12/2012 8:18:09 PM
I am a simple guy. I don't identify with either party. I prefer simple common sense (from my perspective) solutions.

How is it an unfair impediment to require that you identify who you say you are to contribute in making decisions that effects the security, welfare, economy, leadership etc. of our country. They are allowing all kinds of forms of identification from what I read.

To me it's more of a violation of rights that a non citizen can potentially fraudulently contribute to the decision making and direction of our country that has a direct effect on its citizens.

I am already skeptical of our voting system and allowing people not to establish they are who they say they are before allowing them to cast their vote constitutes voter fraud in my opinion which I know doesn't mean much.

Our country really is out of control.


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Posted: 3/12/2012 10:31:36 PM
If most non-ID voters were voting Republican then you better damn know that having an ID to vote would be required.
bowlslit PM bowlslit
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Posted: 3/12/2012 10:36:03 PM

You can bet your behind that when Obama was a senator he had to have an ID to vote 'Present' on the senate floor.

Oh wait..thats yet another reason not to re-elect that cowardly piece of dung.

They shouldnt be able to vote 'Present' at all...should be yes or no.

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Posted: 3/12/2012 10:40:02 PM
I thought that it was federal law to carry proper identification 24/7 via the Patriot Act? maybe i thought wrong
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Posted: 3/12/2012 10:56:05 PM
Most elections require proper identification.  But most voters don't vote and making voting easier might help reverse this negative trend.  
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