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Posted: 10/8/2012 2:53:37 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/10/your_daily_tea_leafs.php?ref=fpblg

Hope you fellas enjoyed your short bounce, after Obama and Biden push back on Romneys lies in the next two debates, we will be back to original numbers. Heck he is already back up to +5 in Gallup poll 
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Posted: 10/8/2012 3:42:47 PM
Why do you like this guy Mikael99? What great qualities does our POTUS possess to elect him for another 4 years?
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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:01:00 PM
Because i believe in social liberalism and the middle class. He might not be perfect, and not everything he has done has worked well... how the alternative - > scares the living garbage out of me. 

Now i do not live in the states, so it wouldnt have much impact on me, but i see the same tendencies in many countries, including my own, where the right wing movement gains traction with their "each on their own" mentality.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:27:20 PM

Mikael, you don't seem like a dumb guy, so I invite you to take a hard look at how the Amercian middle class has actually fared under this administation.  Don't look at what Mr. Obama says he wants to do; look, rather, at what he does.  Good, middle-class jobs in the energy sector (particularly coal, and coal-related industries), over-the-road trucking, oil drilling and exploration, and lord knows how many other small business jobs have been strangled by this adminstration and its endless over-regulation.  What we're moving toward, I fear, is, in fact, a more prosperous "middle class," but with virtualy no one in it.  Yes, there will be government bureaucrats, public sector union employees, a few employees in sectors deemed "worthy" by the government who will do fine, perhaps even better than they are - but the price is an enormous chunk of the population driven out of the middle class, and into the arms to the state. 

I, too, struggle with gaps in income.  There is certainly something that feels wrong about a guy building himself a third home in the Hamptons when a mother can't feed her kids in Tulsa.  But, I have come to recognize that society as a whole tends to do better when we let douche bags build third home in the Hamptons than if we try to find a way to even everything out.   

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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:32:58 PM
MaineRoad - I agree the president is not flawless, simply put i am just more scared about the alternative and what sort of policies he stands for, compared to Obamas.

As i stated earlier i believe in social liberalism, where government has an important role to play.

I do not believe in giving tax breaks to the high income earners create jobs, so as you can imagine there is not much choice for me if i could actually vote.

Here in Denmark though, we have 7-8 political partys represented in parlament so that caters more to ones specific view, which is nice i guess.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:35:48 PM
I do not believe in giving tax breaks to the high income earners create jobs, so as you can imagine there is not much choice for me if i could actually vote.

not only can you vote, you already did. 
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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:36:38 PM
Well since the polls are now moving toward Obama, the right wingers should chime in any minute now saying how polls dont mean anything.  Polls only mean something when they move toward romney, did you forgot that Mikael?
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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:41:53 PM
Let us see how Biden fares in a few nights.   I expect an behind kicking.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:42:38 PM
That is right cd .. those jobnumbers might have plugged the hole for now.

I still can not imagine how Obama just stood there and not called out Romneys blatant lies.

What oursourcing, there are no tax breaks for outsourcing......!!!!

umm yeah
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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:43:41 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by drJ:

Let us see how Biden fares in a few nights.   I expect an behind kicking.


Well Biden knows how to fight in the trenches and get his hands dirty, so it should get interesting.

I think it will be a real slugfest between the two, and basicly a tie
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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:46:06 PM

Trickle down economics doesn't work.  It never worked.  Biggest scam ever perpetrated against the American middle class.  Fat cats get richer while the middle class treads water trying impossibly to save their existence.

Back to the subject matter, Romney will not win in November.  He fucked himself by not picking Portman for his running mate.  Any chance of carrying the State of Ohio is now lost.  Since this is a game of Electoral Votes, Romney is checkmated.  You CANNOT show me a scenario where Romney can reasonably accumulate the necessary 270 Electoral Votes needed to defeat the incumbent POTUS. 

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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:48:56 PM
True GoldenGoose , Obama might lose the national vote, but win the electoral college.


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Posted: 10/8/2012 5:20:44 PM
Pew poll 
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Posted: 10/8/2012 5:21:52 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by drJ:

Let us see how Biden fares in a few nights.   I expect an behind kicking.


I think you WILL see an behind-kicking.


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Posted: 10/8/2012 5:34:33 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:



I think you WILL see an behind-kicking.



Gaff O matic has been pulled out a few days ago and has dawn til dusk debate prep teams.  Normally a good debater, Biden does still have the encumberment of a poor record from the admin to defend.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 6:09:43 PM
How can you vote for a guy that completely fucked the middle class with this obamacare crap.  All the poor people with get the vouchers and the middle class will have their healthcare rates go up because of all the sick people being mixed into the same class. So the guy making 50,000 trying to support his family is getting screwed.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 6:19:24 PM
Well there should have universal health care, like a VA benefits, or medicare system for ALL .. i see no need for profit making in the health care business.

This system works very well in most western countries in the world, including your nabours up north.. canada.

But in the states it is the same on every issue. Trickle down... big profits to the rich and the business community, and the stick to the middle class.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 6:28:44 PM

After showing President Barack Obama with an 8-point lead in September, the Pew Research Center now finds a deadlocked presidential race among registered voters — and a 4-point Romney lead among those most likely to vote:

Coming out of the debate, Mitt Romney’s personal image has improved. His favorable rating has hit 50% among registered voters for the first time in Pew Research Center surveys and has risen five points since September. At the same time, Obama’s personal favorability rating has fallen from 55% to 49%.

In the presidential horserace, Romney has made sizable gains over the past month among women voters, white non-Hispanics and those younger than 50. Currently, women are evenly divided (47% Obama, 47% Romney). Last month, Obama led Romney by 18 points (56% to 38%) among women likely voters. …

Romney now ties Obama in being regarded as a strong leader and runs virtually even with the president in willingness to work with leaders of the other party. And by a 47% to 40% margin, voters pick Romney as the candidate who has new ideas.

Conversely, Obama continues hold leads as the candidate who connects well with ordinary people and takes consistent positions on issues. And Obama leads by 10 points (49% to 39%) as the candidate who takes more moderate positions on issues.

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Posted: 10/8/2012 6:29:23 PM

Polls are about as accurate as the recently released jobs report.

Pew Poll says:

Pew: Romney Leads By 4 In Post-Debate Survey

http://news.yahoo.com/pew-romney-leads-4-post-debate-survey-200329539--politics.html

But again, polls are not what elects a president so we can all debate it til the cows drop pies and it won't mean a damn thing.

 

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Posted: 10/8/2012 6:35:14 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by waltertaylor24:

How can you vote for a guy that completely fucked the middle class with this obamacare crap.  All the poor people with get the vouchers and the middle class will have their healthcare rates go up because of all the sick people being mixed into the same class. So the guy making 50,000 trying to support his family is getting screwed.

That is something you read on a blog and isnt true.

Obamacare as a concept is basically requiring insurance to insure..what we have now is far from that concept.

Now if you are employed you have in most cases reasonable insurance because the risk pool is larger and the larger the risk pool the more even the rates and coverage..then you have self-insurance which is garbage for the most part because the risk pool is gone and cannot be spread across a large number of people.

Self-insurance costs are dramatically higher, OR the coverage is so badly watered down that it really isnt insurance..so you can either choose between moderate coverage and massive premiums or rolling the dice with lower coverage.

I think if companies are going to offer coverage then it should cover the insured and actually mean something.

Why people are mad about having insurance actually cover and do what it is meant to, but at a cost is quizzical at best.

When insurance does not cover, who ends up bearing the cost in the end? The consumer..hospitals build in these costs of non-payment and pass it along to the insurance companies and individuals, as do physicians etc..

The "cost" of not having reasonable insurance coverage is absorbed by society and passed along through higher overall premiums to all.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 6:45:05 PM
and by explaining it you show what the problem with Obamacare is. It takes far more space to explain the concept than to demonize it with fancy slogans.


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Posted: 10/8/2012 7:14:10 PM

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Many people from all of those countries come to the USA to have treatment done. If government healthcare was soo great that wouldn't be happening.

In your mind, is there any limits on what government should do or not? Or, do you believe that the government should be able to tell me what brand of behind whipe I should be using?

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Posted: 10/8/2012 7:37:48 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

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Many people from all of those countries come to the USA to have treatment done. If government healthcare was soo great that wouldn't be happening.

In your mind, is there any limits on what government should do or not? Or, do you believe that the government should be able to tell me what brand of behind whipe I should be using?



Ask the 1%ers where, in the world, do they go for important medical procedures?  Follow the money and you'll be surprised.  Here's a clue... it ain't the USA.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 7:49:18 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Mikael99:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/10/your_daily_tea_leafs.php?ref=fpblg

Hope you fellas enjoyed your short bounce, after Obama and Biden push back on Romneys lies in the next two debates, we will be back to original numbers. Heck he is already back up to +5 in Gallup poll 

Short bounce!?!?!! Dam, Oblamo is EXPOSED

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Posted: 10/8/2012 8:33:38 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


That is something you read on a blog and isnt true.

Obamacare as a concept is basically requiring insurance to insure..what we have now is far from that concept.

Now if you are employed you have in most cases reasonable insurance because the risk pool is larger and the larger the risk pool the more even the rates and coverage..then you have self-insurance which is garbage for the most part because the risk pool is gone and cannot be spread across a large number of people.

Self-insurance costs are dramatically higher, OR the coverage is so badly watered down that it really isnt insurance..so you can either choose between moderate coverage and massive premiums or rolling the dice with lower coverage.

I think if companies are going to offer coverage then it should cover the insured and actually mean something.

Why people are mad about having insurance actually cover and do what it is meant to, but at a cost is quizzical at best.

When insurance does not cover, who ends up bearing the cost in the end? The consumer..hospitals build in these costs of non-payment and pass it along to the insurance companies and individuals, as do physicians etc..

The "cost" of not having reasonable insurance coverage is absorbed by society and passed along through higher overall premiums to all.

Sorry wallstreet but you don't know what you're talking about.  I am an insurance broker.  In a lot of cases the individual market is cheaper than a group plan is.  Also the coverage is just as good as a group plan.  If you have an individual plan it is spread across a lot more people than a large group. I see with my own eyes as to what is happening with the market and, prices for middle income families is going to sky rocket with this bullshit that you call obamacare

 

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