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Author: [Politics] Topic: Hey, wait a minute, whatever happened to the Tea Party ?
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Posted: 9/15/2012 2:42:52 AM
Hey Tea party, your ignorance put the right wing in control of Congress. They were elected in 2010 on the premise that they would create more jobs ! It's been two years and what has Speaker John Boner done ? What about that fellas ?
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Posted: 9/15/2012 4:01:55 AM
your name says it all, the ryan reynolds/chris klein of politics section of covers, don juan  
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Posted: 9/15/2012 7:06:25 AM
Tea Party peaked in 2010 elections, then got co-opted by the likes of Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Koch brothers.  

It lost it's "soul" when the money started flooding in and the freshman "tea party" politicians started selling out to the status quo, and compromising with lefties, and neocons.  


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Posted: 9/15/2012 7:07:00 AM
plus, I am pretty sure that the premise of the tea party was not job creation.  

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Posted: 9/15/2012 8:56:20 AM

You are right about them losing their soul. BUT, as a group they did not compromise. The right wing will pay for it in November.

President Obama, the First Lady, and Bill Clinton have exposed them. 

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Posted: 9/15/2012 10:57:15 AM

don

as the govt tosses the people peanuts it devours caviar

please, please, please start to understand this.

WE the people need to stop bickering with each other-it is just what the pols like to see.

Its time we demanded some real hope and change out of Washington

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Posted: 9/15/2012 4:45:30 PM

Lordy. PLEASE understand this..

1. ...The problem is not YOUR Government..It's the few extremists on the right who stonewall and start all the trouble..

Example..the recent events at the U.S. embassy in the middle east, waving their assault weapons and killing people. They want to stay with the old conservative religious philosophy. They cannot see that the U.S. is trying to help them move to a better country.. Just as the extreme right wing element in American are blinded by hatred.

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Posted: 9/15/2012 5:16:46 PM
Don
The ppl over there don't want our help moving to what we Americans think is a better way for them.
You kinda sound like a right winger with your belief that we should be over there forcing our values on them.
I am actually shocked that you have that view. Not hating or insulting you just surprised that's all.
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Posted: 9/15/2012 5:18:44 PM
And your view that it's all the righties fault isnt anything new so I wont bother getting into that with you.
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Posted: 9/15/2012 5:58:16 PM

Actually, the majority of people want a democracy. They have been enlighted by the lastest telecommunications. Internet, phones etc. It's just natural to want freedom over a dictatorship.

The gun wavers are uneducated, as they are in this country.

And, don't believe Fox news, there are only a few who are starting trouble. They make it sound like a billion muslims are on the way over here.

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Posted: 9/15/2012 6:12:48 PM
Don Juan...they really don't. The majority of people in Islamic countries want those in their same religious sect in positions of leadership. That is distinct from wanting a democracy.
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Posted: 9/15/2012 7:13:46 PM
Kinda painting with broad strokes on many fronts Don.
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Posted: 9/15/2012 7:35:48 PM

Brows.. I can't agree that they still want religious sect as leadership..Many do, but not the majority.

 Look at what just happened when Mubarak was taken down, and Ghadaffi in Lybia. Majority

The Syrian opposition against Assad is obviously in the majority. They would have taken control if it weren't for military weapons.

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Posted: 9/16/2012 12:15:10 AM
I almost feel like Don Juan is trolling the politics section for heated responses to his partisan diatribe.

Nobody can be really truly believe the statements he made in this post can they?











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Posted: 9/16/2012 8:20:00 AM



the tea par-tiers are hanging out with the occupiers
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Posted: 9/16/2012 9:05:24 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by don juan:

Brows.. I can't agree that they still want religious sect as leadership..Many do, but not the majority.

 Look at what just happened when Mubarak was taken down, and Ghadaffi in Lybia. Majority

The Syrian opposition against Assad is obviously in the majority. They would have taken control if it weren't for military weapons.


The situations you speak of are too complex to characterize as a rebellion by the majority against leadership. Neither Murbarak nor Ghadaffi were going anywhere absent actions by the west. And in both situations, remember the various religious sects that were in power under these leaders. Suppression by the majority as is often the case in Islamic rule as well as other religious theocracies  (think Iraq) does not change when the majority takes power. Rather it is the antithesis...suppression of the minority. That should ring a bell as it is also a dictatorship, and around and around we go!
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Posted: 9/16/2012 9:34:06 AM

Brows.. I respect your opinion.... but I do not agree !   ;

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Posted: 9/16/2012 9:43:12 AM
I understand. But look at history and look at the leaders of these countries and their alliances. The fact that cell phones or the interent exist has no bearing on changing fundamental beliefs that have existed for thousands of years, Shiites and Sunnis, not to mention the Kurds have never been able to create a cohesive democracy. It is impossible. 
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Posted: 9/16/2012 12:46:40 PM

Brows.. just because they have had alliances for thousands of years doesn't mean things can't change, it's not impossible. I mean, Eygpt hasn't voted since the days of pharaohs.

Information changes behavior.. Muslims are for change, not necessarily religious change, but leadership change. I heard one Muslim say on TV .."we also want the right to change our leader every 4 or 8 years like America." As it is now the radical few are trying to motivate the poor and uninformed to riot..

There are many examples of change around the world Russia is one country that has changed tremendously, when the people were informed. China, Germany.

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Posted: 9/16/2012 6:08:52 PM
Russia hasn't changed its core. Since the Czar put himself just under God the people have wanted a STRONG man to lead them. This is what Stalin took advantage of - and today Putin is doing the same.
Russia had a brief experience with democracy during Jeltsin and they didn't like it.

China is changing economically - the future leader of the world. Politically - hmm, not so much.

Germany has changed - only because the allies won. Well, they have changed - so much that they are more Europeans than Germans - lucky for Greece you can say..
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Posted: 9/16/2012 7:09:38 PM
Couple things I want to fact check for you Don

Egypt and Libya were secular countries Period.  Ghaddafi outlawed the brotherhood for christ's sake.  

None of the "arab spring" countries had a majority protesting/fighting the govt.  Syria does not even have a majority.  

The protests and what followed after (whether or not it is by design) have all fallen to Islamic extemism.  

We have supported al qaeda, the LIFG, and the Muslim Brotherhood, and now they are attacking our embassies. 
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Posted: 9/16/2012 7:39:45 PM
Rick,, this thread is a little too heavy for you, stay with Rand and Ron Paul politics.
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Posted: 9/16/2012 8:48:04 PM
Don Juan, I did more research into foreign policy while I was on the shitter today than you probably have in your whole life.  

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Posted: 9/16/2012 9:51:07 PM
Don
You respect dj's view but disagree but yet simply insult Rick for saying something very similar?

You should welcome all comments no?
It's not like Rick was being a person with his post. I could see if he was being an behind but he wasn't.
If you are gonna dish it out make sure you can take it.
Ie - don't run to CT asking for being to be put in the PB.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 7:48:42 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lordspoint:

Don
You respect dj's view but disagree but yet simply insult Rick for saying something very similar?

You should welcome all comments no?
It's not like Rick was being a person with his post. I could see if he was being an behind but he wasn't.
If you are gonna dish it out make sure you can take it.
Ie - don't run to CT asking for being to be put in the PB.
Just saying


that is a microcosm for what is most disgusting with the liberal mindset
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