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Posted: 8/30/2012 3:21:42 PM

Today the GM facility in Janesville still has not been retooled “so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs,” as Obama promised.

Note: Obama promised to keep this plant open after GM announced it would close.

What does that say about Obama?

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Posted: 8/30/2012 3:28:25 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Today the GM facility in Janesville still has not been retooled “so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs,” as Obama promised.

Note: Obama promised to keep this plant open after GM announced it would close.

What does that say about Obama?


it says nothing about obama but it says

YOU ARE 14 DA DUMB DUMB
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Posted: 8/30/2012 3:31:14 PM
The obama spin machine was out in force last night.  their analysis that the guppies here bought hook line and sinker.  here is refutation from Guy benson

To the surprise of no one, the ad's "rebuttals" are misleading and wrong themselves.  Point by point:
 

(1) They begin with video of CNN reporters discussing accusations of Ryan's "lies." This is proof that the Obama campaign sent out a lot of angry emails, and nothing else.

(2) Medicare - Sorry, guys, but it is 100 percent true that Obamacare raided $716 Billion from Medicare to pay for itself.  It does cut benefits to current seniors.  And Paul Ryan's plan took the president's Medicare "savings," and re-routed them back into Medicare to shore up the program.  Mitt Romney's plan would undo those cuts altogether.  Obama took those cuts and used them to pay for Obamacare.  He has admitted this on camera:

3) The GM Plant - Part of the factory Ryan mentioned was shut down under Bush, despite the initial GM bailout (which Senator Obama supported).  The plant finally fully closed in April of 2009, during Obama's presidency, as this report clearly states.  Obama's problem is that he showed up and made empty promises to pander for votes.  Ryan never said Obama was personally responsible for the plant's closure, but he accurately stated that it closed down within a year of candidate Obama's hope-filled speech and remains closed today.  Obama goes on and on about "saving" the auto industry and his economic recovery.  That boarded-up Janesville plant tells a different story.

(4) The Stimulus - Pointing out that Paul Ryan asked that his district receive a slice of a giant, wasteful pie after it was passed -- and despite his opposition -- is at worst an instance of hypocrisy.  It does not disprove anything that Ryan said in his speech, and it does not change the empirical fact that Barack Obama's borrowed stimulus has utterly failed based on the metrics for success Obama himself set out for it.

(5) The debt commission - What Ryan said is absolutely correct.  The Obama ad quotes Chris Wallace, who notes that Ryan was on that commission and voted against it.  True.  He refused to abide the section maintaining Obamacare, and voted no on its final findings.  Still, he was intimately involved in the group's deliberations and proposed solutions.  Not fully happy with the final outcome, he went on to craft two budgets of his own, with numerous elements based on the Simpson-Bowles framework.  The commission's Democratic co-chairman (Bowles of Simpson-Bowles) has praised Ryan's proposals to the hilt.  Barack Obama, who convened the commission in the first place after deriding commissionson the campaign trail, completely ignored its recommendations and proceeded to propose to wildly reckless, debt-busting budgets that received a total of zero votes in either house of Congress.  Correctly asserting that Ryan opposed the final Simpson-Bowles recommendations is no way absolves Obama for his demonstrable abdication of leadership on these issues.  It's more smoke and mirrors -- and more petty Obama blame, another central theme of Ryan's address.

(6) Chris Matthews called the speech "nasty."  Stop the presses!

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Posted: 8/30/2012 3:35:32 PM

OKAY DOC, I MEAN

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Posted: 8/30/2012 3:51:21 PM

Quote Posted by 14daroad:

What does that say about Obama?

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He is a leader that we can't trust..says all the things people want to hear but never delivers on it.

It's time America changes the leadership!

Romney and Ryan in 012!

 

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Posted: 8/30/2012 3:57:29 PM
The Romney camp having to defend Ryan's speech shows me the Democrats spin worked.


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Posted: 8/30/2012 4:13:25 PM
the obama camp trying to lie tells me the ryan speech was effective
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Posted: 8/30/2012 4:14:29 PM
So Obama is the CEO of GM and in charge of re-tooling the facility?

Looks like the finger should be pointed at the COO or CEO, not Obama..even if the company is partially owned by the government.

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Posted: 8/30/2012 6:11:52 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dytide:

The Romney camp having to defend Ryan's speech shows me the Democrats spin worked.



Um, actually the hilarious "lies"! reaction demonstrates that the left has not policy arguments what so ever.
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Posted: 8/30/2012 6:23:02 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

So Obama is the CEO of GM and in charge of re-tooling the facility?

Looks like the finger should be pointed at the COO or CEO, not Obama..even if the company is partially owned by the government.


Wallstreet,

the point is, Obama's policies are a failure. Nobody is saying Obama is in charge of retooling anything.
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Posted: 8/30/2012 6:50:49 PM

The fact that seasoned analysts called it "one of the best VP speeches ever", that it pinpointed the mood of the country, and the desperate attempt of the obama camp to muddy the waters, shows that it was hit long and strong.

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Posted: 8/30/2012 6:59:51 PM
Though interestingly enough GM made the decision to retool a plant in TN.


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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:50:09 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Quote Posted by 14daroad:

What does that say about Obama?

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He is a leader that we can't trust..says all the things people want to hear but never delivers on it.

It's time America changes the leadership!

Romney and Ryan in 012!

 







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