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Posted: 11/1/2012 11:47:51 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by giant_causeway:

Completely disagree as major racing centres in UK and Ireland, France, Japan, Hong Kong and Australia do not permit the use of Lasix for the purpose of racing. So yes LAsix is universally NOT permitted yet the US are the only jurisdiction that permits the use of them.

I've known for some time the true pecking order of quality and the US lags behind Europe, Japan in middle distance horses and the Australians for pure speed. The big factor is the TRUE quality of the breed. Drugs masks horses' inadequacies so breeders do not actually get the natural qualities they THINK they are getting in any stallion's offsprings. Just look at baseball as an analogy. The breeders are the GMs giving out contracts to what they THINK are the most productive sluggers only to find out they're completely useless without drugs.

From a handicappers' perspective your lives will be made much easier as there's simply so many stallions. The likes of AP Indy, Storm Cat, Lemon Drop Kid are good proven stallions with Ghostzapper amongst the more recent ones. By separating one horse's true innate and residual class from the rest, the US scene can improve with the elimination of substandard stallions.


It's interesting that so many of the Euros go 1st time lasix in the Breeders Cup while out of the other side of their mouth they're knocking US racing because they allow the use of meds.  Isn't it foolish for the Breeder's Cup to sponsor a race where a medication that every contestant raced on in their last race is banned?  As for the substandard stallions, you're dead on..........unfortunately they're necessary to supply enough $4000 claimers that run 12 months a year.  Ron The Greek is live in the classic.
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Posted: 11/2/2012 1:00:21 AM
Been out at SA a few of the mornings over the past week just to enjoy the world class horses and check out the scene. My main observation is that I do not think the main track is going to be as speed-biased as in the past. Anyway, very excited to leave for the track in about 10 hours!!

Yes, Mandella decided to run Beholder in the Juvy Fillies, and I don't think she is gonna get the distance...hard to go against Johnny V and Pletcher in that one.

Some picks

Juvy Sprint - ex 5-4 w/ 2-4-5
Marathon - 2 win, exbx 1-2-4
Juvy Fillies Turf - exbx 3-5, 11 show
Filly Turf - 4-9-10 exbx, ex 9 w/2-4-9-12
Distaff - 6 win, ex 6 w/ 2-4

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Posted: 11/3/2012 9:47:10 AM

Fun, fun, fun day yesterday.  Flotilla got me through unscathed, but choosing Market Mix over Zagora and then not boxing it, was a brutal beat.

Some thoughts for today:

Turf Sprint

Corp. Jungle should have this race fall in his lap on the turnback. I know there are a lot of trends with regards to "horse for the course" and all, but Brown and Castellano were exceptional yesterday and I fully expect similar results. In the FWIW category, do the Euro trainers kick themselves for jockey selection after the fact?  Can't help but think that Ramon would have gotten The Fugue up w/o question.

Juvie Turf

Artigiano has a tactical advantage and a jockey who always gets the best run.  He appears bred to like the firm going, has a great post and should get first crack at the leaders.  He would be my "A" but also seriously considering the 14&15.  I am avoiding all horses who have won on Lasix as best I can.

 

Filly & Mare Sprint

Groupie Doll looks best, but Rumor, Switch and Turbulent Descent are worth a look at a price.

The Sprint

I think each of the 3YOs have an opportunity to to be better today and anything better than what they've shown is a winner.  The Lumber Guy only needs to pair up and the race is over.  The Lumber Guy, Trinninberg and Jimmy Creed (Mandella pulling the strings) are the picks.

Dirt Mile

Fed Biz and Rail Trip have two turn winning experience over the surface and their PPs are competitive anywhere. Rail Trip is my top choice, because I really believe this pace will fall apart, and Valdivia is a perfect jock for a ground saving trip and picking them up in the lane.

The Turf

I may use Point of Entry, but his competition is soooo suspect!  So let me contradict myself in the next sentence and say my top choice is Cogito.  They brought  this 3YO over to Belmont and caught a gd trf course and didn't fire (didn't need to that day).  Today he gets firm ground, and Frankie is back again (note he traveled to NYC for the Jamaica). 

I will use Shareta and ST. NA & POE, but Cogito is my top choice.

 

The Juvie

Good Luck here.  I would spread with 8,9,1,4,7.  I would definitely not leave the only horse who has not raced with Lasix off my ticket.....Fortify.

The Classic

Flat Out, Fort Larned & Game On Dude appear to be top choices, but Ron the Greek, THAS and Mucho Macho would not surprise me.

The Mile

Excelebration & Wise Dan appear to be the creme, however 8 of 9 of these would not shock me.

Best of Luck Today!

HB

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Posted: 11/3/2012 10:37:54 AM
Hey Bull!

I am definitely using Fortify for the same reason I hit Hightail at 15-1 yesterday...decent numbers without lasix.

Like Flat Out a lot. The only two others who I think can compete with him are Game on Dude and Mucho Macho,

In the Mile, I like Obviously a lot and also will take long looks at Mr. Commons, Wise Dan and possibly Moonlight Cloud. Not a huge Excelebration fan but he could win.

GL today.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 10:44:31 AM
Nice picks bro
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Posted: 11/3/2012 11:21:21 AM
HB......b.o.l  

mucho macho for me as of now in the classic..
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Posted: 11/3/2012 12:19:18 PM
Thanks a Bunch for posting and GL
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Posted: 11/3/2012 12:34:46 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HolyBull:

Fun, fun, fun day yesterday.  Flotilla got me through unscathed, but choosing Market Mix over Zagora and then not boxing it, was a brutal beat.

Some thoughts for today:

Turf Sprint

Corp. Jungle should have this race fall in his lap on the turnback. I know there are a lot of trends with regards to "horse for the course" and all, but Brown and Castellano were exceptional yesterday and I fully expect similar results. In the FWIW category, do the Euro trainers kick themselves for jockey selection after the fact?  Can't help but think that Ramon would have gotten The Fugue up w/o question.

Juvie Turf

Artigiano has a tactical advantage and a jockey who always gets the best run.  He appears bred to like the firm going, has a great post and should get first crack at the leaders.  He would be my "A" but also seriously considering the 14&15.  I am avoiding all horses who have won on Lasix as best I can.

 

Filly & Mare Sprint

Groupie Doll looks best, but Rumor, Switch and Turbulent Descent are worth a look at a price.

The Sprint

I think each of the 3YOs have an opportunity to to be better today and anything better than what they've shown is a winner.  The Lumber Guy only needs to pair up and the race is over.  The Lumber Guy, Trinninberg and Jimmy Creed (Mandella pulling the strings) are the picks.

Dirt Mile

Fed Biz and Rail Trip have two turn winning experience over the surface and their PPs are competitive anywhere. Rail Trip is my top choice, because I really believe this pace will fall apart, and Valdivia is a perfect jock for a ground saving trip and picking them up in the lane.

The Turf

I may use Point of Entry, but his competition is soooo suspect!  So let me contradict myself in the next sentence and say my top choice is Cogito.  They brought  this 3YO over to Belmont and caught a gd trf course and didn't fire (didn't need to that day).  Today he gets firm ground, and Frankie is back again (note he traveled to NYC for the Jamaica). 

I will use Shareta and ST. NA & POE, but Cogito is my top choice.

 

The Juvie

Good Luck here.  I would spread with 8,9,1,4,7.  I would definitely not leave the only horse who has not raced with Lasix off my ticket.....Fortify.

The Classic

Flat Out, Fort Larned & Game On Dude appear to be top choices, but Ron the Greek, THAS and Mucho Macho would not surprise me.

The Mile

Excelebration & Wise Dan appear to be the creme, however 8 of 9 of these would not shock me.

Best of Luck Today!

HB





good luck today.  looks like we might be sitting in the same section at the Gahhhden today and maybe even the same row and seat. 
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