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Posted: 12/9/2012 3:00:27 AM
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Look at Lederman's card! Winning all 12 rounds!
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Posted: 12/9/2012 3:42:46 AM
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Posted: 12/9/2012 5:20:17 AM
U mad bruh?
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Posted: 12/9/2012 12:09:51 PM
Floyd blasted JMM first time for a 12 round beat down and would welcome the well traveled Mexican back between the ropes again I'm guessing
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Posted: 12/9/2012 12:41:30 PM

it would probably equal the biggest fight of mayweather career next to dlh.

both the mexican and american people would all pay to see the only man(legitimately) to ko the great pacquiao fight the perceived greatest american boxer in recent times.

the entire mexico resort town that i live in was packed with jmm fans. they had live tv in open air food courts and on every restaurant tv sceen.

this fight will be made for may 4 because mayweather know that he can beat jmm.

who would want to see guerrero/floyd after arguably witnessing the greatest six rounds in the last ten years?

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Posted: 12/9/2012 12:46:32 PM
Mayweather destroyed Marquez the first time they met, will destroy him again.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 6:00:28 PM

Love Juan Manuel, love his heart, and I love that he knocked pac man out...damn was he deserving of that type of victory..Hell, I even like him way more than I do Floyd..............but, theres no way Marquez even stands a chance against Floyd.  It is what it is.....

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Posted: 12/10/2012 4:50:22 PM

First, I'm not going to make the argument that JMM can beat Floyd....logic (and only logic) based on what we've seen would suggest that he can't and probably won't (if a rematch were to happen).

However, one can not discount a few things here.

1. Dinamita is extremely intelligent and his ring IQ certainly rivals Floyd's. JMM will have certainly learned something from his last encounter with Jr. Look no further than how he progessed strategically as a fighter in the tetralogy with Manny. Juan definitely stands to learn more from losing to Floyd than Floyd will have learned from whipping the Mexican the first time. That becomes a dangerous facet for a potential rematch, especially when you're talking about a guy as intelligent as Marquez.  Again, I'm not saying this alone would be enough to overcome Floyd's superior speed, defense, and counterpunching, but a fight between these two would look nothing like the first encounter, IMO.

2. Furthermore, if this fight went off, it would almost be certain to take place at 147 lbs. (WW), which is the weight they fought at the first time. One thing Marquez benefited from by chasing Pacquiao thru the higher weight divisions, was  that he started putting muscle on the right way. Let's face it, the first time he fought Floyd he was a friggin bloated doughboy. He had no business fighting a guy of Jr.s ability at that big of a natural weight differential and everyone in boxing knew it. Hell, Nacho even knew it. Marquez's body is completely different now. Again, I'm not saying that it's enough to win the fight, but he would certainly be more physically equipped this go around.

3. Timing - last week Money May said he'd fight twice in 2013. With the first fight coming the weekend of Cinco de Mayo. Does anyone (other than Floyd and his entourage) know how the time in the clink effected his body? He's known for being a gym rat and always in shape, but everything I've read would suggest that he struggled physically while in there and immediately after his release. I'm sure he's probably ok by now, but that was definetly a setback and the biggest deterrent to him fighting any sooner. Point being, I don't think Marquez is the guy you pick first under these circumstances. I mean, I'm picking a guy that first, doesn't have revenge on his mind, and second - a lesser experienced opponent that you'd have a psychological advantage over.

Again, I'm not suggesting that these variables would be enough for a Marquez victory, but they defintely lend support for a more competitive fight....at least more competitive than people may think.

Honestly though, I don't think they'll make this fight. But I'd be willing to be bet that it isn't because of Marquez. We'll see which approach Floyd takes...will it be "I whipped this guy first go round, and it'll be easier work this time" -Or- will PED usage be an issue based on the new muscularity of JMM and his right hand sledge hammer....ha. Bottomline, Floyd only takes this fight if he knows he can beat him as handily as he did the first time. Floyd's not about challenges and fan friendly fights. Floyd's about "Money" and "Legacy"...... in that order.

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Posted: 12/10/2012 6:22:24 PM
Mayweather will destroy Marquez again IMO!
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Posted: 12/10/2012 8:45:04 PM
Rather see Guerrero vs. Mayweather.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 3:39:54 AM
Take a look at Marquez's body for the Floyd fight.  Then take a look at him for the Pac fight.  Looks like a different person.  There's a reason for that and I shouldnt have to spell it out for you.  FYI, you dont hit your physical peak at 40!

Regardless, even with Heredia's magic pills, Marquez would still lose to Floyd again for a simple reason.  Floyd, like JMM, is a counter puncher.  Except does it better, faster, sharper, and has better defense.  JMM needs you to bring the fight to him so he can counter you with the openings you leave him while throwing your own punches.  This is why JMM always troubled Manny - b/c Manny looks to get off first.

Marquez cannot beat Floyd, no one needs to see that again.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:36:29 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cd2010:

Rather see Guerrero vs. Mayweather.
  honestly I feel that guerrero has about a 40 percent shot at actually winning that fight, the last thing that an older,less active fighter wants is to face and young,hungry, volume punching, iron chinned opponent-which is clearly what robert is. to me floyd fights for the money to keep up his lavish lifestyle, if he truly still loved the sport he would fight much more than once or twice per year. this is one of the only fights that I am very interested in seeing, but I am confident that it will not happen as floyd is a business man first and the money is in an alvarez fight and I am sure that is what we will see,   
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Posted: 12/16/2012 2:59:29 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

First, I'm not going to make the argument that JMM can beat Floyd....logic (and only logic) based on what we've seen would suggest that he can't and probably won't (if a rematch were to happen).

However, one can not discount a few things here.

1. Dinamita is extremely intelligent and his ring IQ certainly rivals Floyd's. JMM will have certainly learned something from his last encounter with Jr. Look no further than how he progessed strategically as a fighter in the tetralogy with Manny. Juan definitely stands to learn more from losing to Floyd than Floyd will have learned from whipping the Mexican the first time. That becomes a dangerous facet for a potential rematch, especially when you're talking about a guy as intelligent as Marquez.  Again, I'm not saying this alone would be enough to overcome Floyd's superior speed, defense, and counterpunching, but a fight between these two would look nothing like the first encounter, IMO.

2. Furthermore, if this fight went off, it would almost be certain to take place at 147 lbs. (WW), which is the weight they fought at the first time. One thing Marquez benefited from by chasing Pacquiao thru the higher weight divisions, was  that he started putting muscle on the right way. Let's face it, the first time he fought Floyd he was a friggin bloated doughboy. He had no business fighting a guy of Jr.s ability at that big of a natural weight differential and everyone in boxing knew it. Hell, Nacho even knew it. Marquez's body is completely different now. Again, I'm not saying that it's enough to win the fight, but he would certainly be more physically equipped this go around.

3. Timing - last week Money May said he'd fight twice in 2013. With the first fight coming the weekend of Cinco de Mayo. Does anyone (other than Floyd and his entourage) know how the time in the clink effected his body? He's known for being a gym rat and always in shape, but everything I've read would suggest that he struggled physically while in there and immediately after his release. I'm sure he's probably ok by now, but that was definetly a setback and the biggest deterrent to him fighting any sooner. Point being, I don't think Marquez is the guy you pick first under these circumstances. I mean, I'm picking a guy that first, doesn't have revenge on his mind, and second - a lesser experienced opponent that you'd have a psychological advantage over.

Again, I'm not suggesting that these variables would be enough for a Marquez victory, but they defintely lend support for a more competitive fight....at least more competitive than people may think.

Honestly though, I don't think they'll make this fight. But I'd be willing to be bet that it isn't because of Marquez. We'll see which approach Floyd takes...will it be "I whipped this guy first go round, and it'll be easier work this time" -Or- will PED usage be an issue based on the new muscularity of JMM and his right hand sledge hammer....ha. Bottomline, Floyd only takes this fight if he knows he can beat him as handily as he did the first time. Floyd's not about challenges and fan friendly fights. Floyd's about "Money" and "Legacy"...... in that order.

youre not falling for the "i lost 15 pounds in jail" excuse that floyd was spinning are you? anyone that actively works out with weights will tell you that its impossible for you to lose muscle mass and strength in two short months if you do push-up and pull-ups and consume protein bars(available in the jail commissary) for a normal active athlete. 

if he was a power-lifter yes but as an athlete, no.

i presume that floyd lost the alleged 15 pounds once manny agreed to all of his testing and 45/55 split.

 

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