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Posted: 5/28/2012 1:01:43 PM
My Froch hedge bet was sweet. Ended up maing money. What a night..

Making a big play ..

Andre Ward -300 and to beat Chad Dawson. Will play the points as well..People will think there is value in Dawson at +210. Therefore you might get a better price come fight time. I don't believe Andre Ward will ever lose a fight and if he does it will be late in his career.

This guy is a nightmare to box. He has defensive skills like Hopkins but is so much more slicker and faster. You add his mental toughness and he is tailor made for Chad Dawson, who is so mentally suspect and has shown this in the past..Ward will win an absolute stinker. This a grave error of judgment by Dawson and his team. He is not going to look good in the fight..Ward by points but playing also the SU..


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Posted: 5/28/2012 1:11:45 PM
Good play on the Froch KO, I like Ward too, Dawson will come in weight drained. He didn't have alot of KO power at 175, he will be less effective moving down in weight at this stage of his career. Dawson should have cleaned out the 175 division first before he made a super risky fight like this (it could have happened at 175, if Ward outgrew the 168 div.).
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Posted: 5/31/2012 10:48:24 AM
Is that the odds?? -300??  No way in hell they are that high.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 10:51:12 AM
What book has those absurd odds? I would lean Ward by decision as well but it's far, far, far from a lock.  Dawson is the best guy Ward has faced by a mile.

And why is Dawson mentally suspect?  He didnt fall for any of Hopkins' tricks like other guys have.  Dawson was very lethargic vs Pascal - something was amiss and I'm told he had alot of personal issues going on during that training camp.  That fight aside, when has he looked "mentally suspect"? Because he shoved Bernard off his back when Hopkins was laying on him?
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Posted: 5/31/2012 5:37:58 PM
just look it up ???........

http://www.oddschecker.com/boxing-mma/boxing/andre-ward-v-chad-dawson/winner
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Posted: 5/31/2012 8:41:10 PM
talent wise this is a very close one, dawson is longer and that is a very good advantage in a fight that is this close,   but to me the difference is in wards mental strength, he never loses focus, is always in the moment and is so  versitale,  to beat ward any time in the next 5 or 6 years will be a truly great performance,    in this fight ward will bring it to the inside like he he has shown in the past that he an do, as good as dawson is, ward is on another level,I see a great performance by ward in this one.    my only question is if ward is the best fighter in the world right now,   to me it is still nonito, but ward is 2 or 3 for sure, 
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Posted: 6/1/2012 1:21:53 AM
Donaire? Best in world? Who the hell has he beaten? A bunch of midgets.  Let's see how Donaire does vs bigger guys before putting him on top 3 p4p lists.  As for #1 and 2, have you heard of Mayweather? Pacquaio? Marquez? Klitschko 1 and 2? Sergio Martinez? 

I dont think Boxrec even has Donaire in their top 25 p4p.  I definitely wouldnt go that far but he's nowhere near top 5.
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Posted: 6/1/2012 4:35:18 AM
you are not paying much attention to his opponents if you say that,check their winning percentage,   over the last 4 years his opponents have the highest winning percentage in boxing,    and it is not just who he has beaten it is also how he has beaten them,   right now donaire is in his prime,   mayweather has clearly lost a step and is not what he once was,   pacquiao in reality should of lost his last fight,   marquez is a old friggin man,   to me p4p is about who is actually the best in the world right now, this is not ranking them for a title shot, it is not about what they did 2 or 3 years ago,   it is about who is the best right now. if nonito was the same weight as pacquiao and floyd I think he would beat both of them,  this is why I have him no 1..   I do think wladimir deserves to be higher on most lists as well as he has been on top for so long,  but seems to be improving and becoming a smarter fighter all the while     I have donaire 1 but anyone who does not have him at least top 5 is either not paying attention or simply does not know what they are looking at.
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Posted: 6/1/2012 3:18:28 PM
Donaire is fighting runts.  His best win is over Montiel.  We'll see what he's made of when he fights bigger, better men.

Perhaps you missed the Pacquiao-Marquez fight? Was that 3 yrs ago?
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Posted: 6/1/2012 3:31:51 PM
no I though that the old man marquez won as I wrote in my last post,   you must read first before responding,   montiel is a very good fighter and he dominated him , did the same to a prime vic. as well,    you mention him fighting midgets, that is a rediculal statement,   and this is also why it is CALLED POUND FOR POUND,     let me guess you do not give RICARDO LOPEZ any credit either,   as he was the best fighter in the world when he fought and this includes roy, bernard and floyd.   just because the mainstream media on this side of the world does not cover the lower weight divisions as much as featherweight+,   this does not mean that they are not good fighters,  p4p is about if everyone was the same size, who you think the best is.  right now if donaire was the same size a manny he would kick his behind.   same goes for floyd as he is only about 75 percent of what he one was.
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Posted: 6/4/2012 6:17:11 PM
-300 seems pricey, might as well play decision if you like Ward, no way he KO's Chad.
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Posted: 6/4/2012 7:14:46 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cd2010:

-300 seems pricey, might as well play decision if you like Ward, no way he KO's Chad.

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Posted: 6/4/2012 9:47:54 PM
Dawson is every bit as good as Andre Ward...... IF they would fight at a catch weight instead of draining Dawson down to 168. Dawson inserted his foot in his mouth when he initially said he would move down. If he does make the weight, he is going to be bone dry and weak. It really ruins this fight imo. It goes a bunch of rounds, that's for sure.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:08:22 AM
if ward moves up in weight dawson will spank him.  no way dawson can make 168lb, no way.  
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Posted: 9/7/2012 10:11:42 AM
put a small saver on the Ward KO/TKO/Stoppage @ 15/2..I am huge on Ward -300...
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Posted: 9/7/2012 12:07:59 PM
I dont think its out of the question that Ward stops a weakened drained Dawson.. Has anyone seen him? he looks sickly trying to make weight right now.. Then Miranda KO'd him in sparring.. Bum azz Miranda, it isnt a rumor, its a fact..

I can see them throwing in the towel as Ward starts to drill him late in the fight around rounds 10 or 11 when Dawson has nothing left..

Dawson is gonna use a lot of energy chasing Ward around the ring while getting potshotted. Dawson will be frustrated by round 4-5, and wanting to find a way out by round 8-9 as he is mentally weak. He wont have any answers for Ward

Ward -300 with a lil bit on the stoppage..
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Posted: 9/7/2012 12:19:37 PM
Can anyone verify that the Miranda sparring KO is actually true?  Cause if it is..wow ..
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Posted: 9/7/2012 2:19:29 PM
I got WArd in this one too. Dawson may have some success early on but Ward will takeover from the middle to late rounds.
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Posted: 9/8/2012 12:45:56 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by LarryParker:

Can anyone verify that the Miranda sparring KO is actually true?  Cause if it is..wow ..


From things I have read it did happen. Miranda knocked him out and it took Chad about 10 min to recover. Miranda was then told he was no longer needed and Chad continued to workout.

Now there are multiple things to take into consideration about this event. Chad has dropped weight and is not as strong as he is at his normal 175 weight. He has never had trouble with hard punchers and Ward does not have one punch knockout power. Miranda on the other hand is an extremely hard puncher and knock just about anyone out. He also likes to keep his weight heavy when training so he was probably 10 lbs heavier than Chad at the time.

Over 5-6 weeks of sparring these things happen. Plenty of fighters have been knocked out sparring. Its possible Chad was tweaking something and Miranda landed a clean hook. All it takes is a clean shot from Miranda while being physically drained to get knocked out.

I am also skeptical of how serious it actually was since it seems that Jeff Mayweather is the first person to leak that this happened. It could be a ploy to get a better line on Chad.

Long and short is it happened but no on really knows how it happened or if Chad was hurt badly. I am really pulling for Chad tonight but it just seems like he took a bad fight since he had to drop weight and is now at a disadvantage. Not to mention the fight is in Ward's backyard.
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