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Posted: 2/21/2012 11:05:17 PM
Im not hyping up Alexander at all, I think hes a solid fighter..
But do you really think he's going to lose in ST Louis/ his home town?
I think not..

So far hes gotten 2 gift decisions vs Kotenlik and Matthysse.. They were close fights but most people thought he lost.. May not robberies but definitely gifts..

NOW, we have Maidana, who IMO isnt as good as Matthysse..
I think Matthysse has just as much power as Maidana, a better boxer, throws straighter punches, goes to the body more, much better defense, faster and has much better stamina.. And Alexander held his own and won a close fight..

I think Alexander box circles around Maidana who I think is a glorified club fighter.. I dont see how in the hell he's going to win rounds vs Alexander.. Maidana doesnt really go to the body, hes slow, terrible defense.. He got outboxed by a 1 eyed 60 year old Morales and struggled with a shot 50 year old Demarcus Corley..

Now you expect him to go to Devons town and win something?
NOT!!

Alexander has a decent chin, never has been down in his career Amateur nor Pro, so I expect him to stay on his feet and win a comfortable decision. After he wins the first 7-8, he will cruise the next 2 rounds and be good..
Im not sure if Don King is still his promoter, but Tarvarous Cloud got his behind whipped last week and won because he is promoted by King.. Food for thought..

ALEXANDER ISNT LOSING THIS FIGHT...

Im hoping the line goes down to 150.. Some sites have him as low as -150, but at 5 dimes its -165.. I wish they had a prop for Alexander by decision, but who knows, he might stop Maidana, he crushed a wreckless club fighter in Urango
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Posted: 2/21/2012 11:24:22 PM
My mistake, Alexander was down once vs Mathysse in a 10 round fight... and still won lmao
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Posted: 2/22/2012 9:05:08 AM
FredTheGodson: I am on your opinion about this fight.. but I have one concern. He knows his last 2 bouts were poor performance, so will he try to give it extra and risk exposure to please the fans? I doubt it, only because against Bradley he knew he was behind, yet took few chances to make something happen. After reflecting, and being young, he might try and do to much and prove his place. To me, I went to see him live 4 years ago, and he hasn't improved at all (vs Corley). I feel he has above average talents, but lacks the ability to put them to use in a real fight.
Even Bradley turned down the fight for more money originally against Alexander because he knew it would go to the scorecards most likely, and knew winning there he had to dominate every round, or risk robbery in plain sight!
The more often we see bad decisions, people think that governing bodies will do something because it was so bad... WRONG, they know people will still watch and pay no matter what they do. They are like the drug dealer who says, when I get to 500k I will quit, then they do and say, well it's been EZ so a little more won't hurt. They continue.... sad!
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Posted: 2/22/2012 9:45:09 AM

there are no judges from st louis in this fight. one of them is from out of the country.

smoger is the ref who generally allows the fighters to fight. devons first fight under gbp.

devon is the first fighter to stop both witter and urango.

my experience is that when a fighter moves up in weight, speed and technique are affected less than power.

agree with ts. alexander is the play with a draw as a hedge.

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Posted: 2/22/2012 1:23:27 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Qncyk1:

there are no judges from st louis in this fight. one of them is from out of the country.

smoger is the ref who generally allows the fighters to fight. devons first fight under gbp.

devon is the first fighter to stop both witter and urango.

my experience is that when a fighter moves up in weight, speed and technique are affected less than power.

agree with ts. alexander is the play with a draw as a hedge.



After 5 Facts everyone knows, your experience say that speed and technique are affected less than power. WOW
Speed & Power are genetic and enhanced physical abilities, but TECHNIQUE is learned. People aren't born with boxing technique, it is through watching, training & fighting.
HOW DOES MOVING UP IN WEIGHT HAVE EFFECT ON TECHNIQUE? Your saying a fighter moves up 7lbs or so to a new weight class, he throws a punch differently with a different technique than he has used for 15 years???
You stated your experience taught you this... this proves you have none. Any person with any fight experience (especially a handicapper looking for angles night and day) understand that technique is totally learned. Please don't side-step or say you meant something else, just explain the experience you have and how moving up in weight effects TECHNIQUE?
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Posted: 2/22/2012 1:29:26 PM
FINALLY? THE KID STUCK HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH! Quoted 5 facts everyone already knows... then uses his experience for a statement he has no clue. WOW- It was a matter of time before the kid with the experience to say something so stupid.... please answer this? When I gain 10lbs I forget to keep my shoulder up near my chin when I throw a punch.... that is what you are stating!!! WOW - You can only fake it so long kiddo!
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Posted: 2/22/2012 1:31:01 PM

some people cannot nor are capable of learning technique, whether that technique is defensive or offensive.

now what i really want to know is...

why do you have an alias, zouk?

or should i say pramsu?

did you get outed on the covers forum as pramsu as you are now being outed here as zouk?

please explain.

 

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Posted: 2/22/2012 1:36:02 PM
INCREASE IN WEIGHT = LESSER EFFECT ON SPEED & TECHNIQUE?
NO SIDE STEPPING.... YOU JUST PROVED YOU NEVER SPEND A DAY IN YOUR LIFE BOXING... EVEN A REAL HANDICAPPER WOULD KNOW THIS!!!!

PLEASE BEG FOR HELP HERE?
NO SUBJECT CHANGE... GO TO THE OTHER THREAD. YOU GOT CAUGHT PROVING A POINT.... YOU ARE A MORE-ON (lol - like that spelling)
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Posted: 2/22/2012 1:38:07 PM
INCREASE IN WEIGHT = LESSER EFFECT ON SPEED & TECHNIQUE?
IN YOUR VAST EXPERIENCE, PLEASE ELABORATE...LOL
SOMEBODY GOT CAUGHT COOKIE JAR!

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Posted: 2/22/2012 1:41:46 PM
What's that saying..it would apply if you were a man. Give a man enough rope and he'll hand himself... give a little boy enough rope and he'll trip and fall!!!!
WHAT IS this BS about learned technique = weight increase??
You best ask covers to erase your last post because you are getting caught. I told you truth before... I was an old member, you asked why May 2011, I told you. You didn't believe, I proved again. Your turn!
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Posted: 2/22/2012 1:45:19 PM

 

"when a fighter moves up in weight, speed and technique are affected less than power."

the efficacy of maidana's power in all likelihood will be affected more than the skill and technique of devon when moving up in weight.

what do you not understand about this?

 

im done with you.

you and your alias pramsu need help, zouk.

professional help that you cant achieve here on an internet forum.

 

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Posted: 2/22/2012 1:53:46 PM
Now it's not one person theory anymore, it's one guys power, against the others technique and speed? LOL - This gets better and better. No wonder he is logging off.
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Posted: 2/22/2012 1:55:42 PM
I like Devon on Points @evens. I couldnt lay any juice on a guy like Alexander..
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Posted: 2/22/2012 1:57:33 PM
I saw him live 4 years ago and he hasn't got any better... I think his above average physical abilities have been over-rating his overall boxing ability.
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Posted: 2/22/2012 2:06:05 PM

loggin off?

look, everyone knows that alexander holds the advantage in speed, technique and skill. maidana holds the advantage in power.

when a boxer moves up in weight the main concern is if he can carry his power, which will be maidana's main concern.

loggin off against you?

ill go head-to-head with you anyday in capping as i have tried to do three times now.

750 posts and you've made a total of four plays.

whats your agenda here, zouk?

or should i say pramsu?

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Posted: 2/22/2012 2:12:13 PM
Again, changing subject won't work. You are now changing your statement... like your name a fighter challenge me and thesoulpupose crushed! So adding weight for one guy effect the other guy's technique? You stated this from experience I thought... don't explain an argument that is 100% wrong, then change what you said each time. People can read your original statement... are you trying to fool me, members, or yourself???
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Posted: 2/22/2012 2:15:23 PM
will you 2 just calm the darn down already?
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Posted: 2/22/2012 2:16:01 PM
I like Devon and the  o9½ -175 in the Broner fight


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Posted: 2/22/2012 2:19:01 PM

for the last time.

maidanas power will in all likelihood will be affected more than devons speed and technique at the higher weight of 147.

okay? is that so hard for you to understand.

no changing subjects here, zouk/pramsu

the only thing being changed here is your screen names.

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Posted: 2/22/2012 2:25:19 PM
EricLinny: Sorry, I just love when a guy insults me for no reason because of a compliment, then right after shows his ignorance. He thinks re-phrasing and adding words makes his statement better. I would like to know about the technique thing?

Back to BOXING (not MMA challenge) = I was looking at the Broner Over as we speak. I think he is very poised at such a young age.
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Posted: 2/22/2012 4:29:52 PM
o9½ -190   now
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Posted: 2/22/2012 5:17:56 PM
over moving fast...
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Posted: 2/23/2012 12:03:32 AM

 I am really on the fence with this Alexander fight .

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Posted: 2/23/2012 12:05:37 AM
I'm not a fan of guys fighting in their hometown. They sometimes look like they're fighting to please the crowd.
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LRM704: Yes, as it seems they often perform under-par due to pressure and possibly trying to do to much. I am very concerned about this especially when Bradley originally turned down big money to avoid fighting Alexander in his hometown. Matthysse was an unfortunate victim on the hometown robbery.
Qncyk1 made the following statements in post #4:
"there are no judges from st louis in this fight. one of them is from out of the country.
smoger is the ref who generally allows the fighters to fight. devons first fight under gbp.
devon is the first fighter to stop both witter and urango.
my experience is that when a fighter moves up in weight, speed and technique are affected less than power.
agree with ts. alexander is the play with a draw as a hedge."

That statement would make me come to the conclusion that no hometown judges would mean less a chance to get cheated by decision (or he was posting for fun). Surprise, surprise... the following statement is the same for Devon's previous fight.
Alexander vs Matthysse
Referee: Rafael Ramos (Texas)
Judges: Carlos Colon (Puerto Rico), Denny Nelson (Minnesota), Brett Miller (Kansas)
No hometown judges and one from out the country.

Also, I haven't learned how going up in weight class effects a fighters technique, or even some strange phenomenon how it effects his opposition's technique. I'll wait for a breakdown from Qncyk1 who originally brought this brilliant fact to our attention.

My thought is this (always motive - desire or fear): After two bad bouts (losing one and winning the other on a hometown decision), does Devon feel the need to win impressively? Will he stay the same throughout the bout even if losing (similar to Bradley fight).
Devon's above-average athletic abilities have led him astray from fundamentals and it appears stamina is also shaky. I remember ringside at MSG January 2008 with Alexander vs Corley. Alexander for a young fighter looked sensational. Four years later, he hasn't improved in any areas I can see.
Maidana is so one dimensional that with Devon lacking fundamentals, he still can win easily with constant foot movement. He also is a fighter who can punch while moving, so he won't have to be flat-footed going toe-to-toe with Maidana. Also, the power factor is not as great as it may appear, Devon can punch fast and hard, but his style is not straight-forward terminator style. Although Maidana has an extremely high knockout percentage, Devon has the athletic ability but had yet to find the link and put it all together. Maidana's win over Ortiz was about heart and not power. Ortiz had finished every other fighter he hurt badly early and Maidana was still coming, and with heat!
Is it:
A: Devon will try to perform to please (forcing action in disadvantageous areas) instead of just to win (fear of losing fans or desire to prove he is worthy?)?
B: Devon will stay the pace and just fight as he normally does with total disregard for his last two poor performances (fear that attempting new thing could cost him the fight in his hometown or desire to stay disciplined and get a win and some confidence back?)?
*** The fear or desire are important as it dictates the style and pace of a fight. Mosley vs Pacquiao: The longer a fighter goes without being KOd or stopped (or if never), over time they change to more risk aversion (being hurt or stopped) rather than rewarded (winning by KO). Mosley was on his bicycle against Paquiao, so betting Pacquiao to win by decision, or the over, was a low risk wager even with such high juice. I feared no headbutts as Mosley would keep distance and survive, while Manny would walk him down then get frustrated and wait.
C: OPEN (Any other motive thoughts)

 
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