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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:10:50 PM
What would it take to slow the world's "unsustainable path'?

I would like to think that people would limit their family size and spend their money on building an energy zero home rather than on entertaining themselves. That they would get around in electric or hybrid cars, instead of buying gas guzzling status cars That they would spend their leisure time tending their gardens by hand, instead of spending time and energy maintaining their estate type lawns and shrubbery. That they would buy locally produced food and crafted items instead of factory food and made by slaves electronics. That they would compost and recycle, instead of littering and filling our beautiful valleys with toxic trash. A few will, but most are addicted to the "good" life of pleasuring themselves with the consumption of fast food, entertainments and ever new/stimulating things. To become responsible stewards of the environment that allows for them and their children to live, is radical, socialist and terrifying, absolutely terrifying!!

So what will happen? War and more war and worse war. Financial breakdowns as lenders cannot be repaid. Inflation so that lenders can be repaid. More inflation because energy is increasingly more expensive in time and treasure to acquire. Starvation for the poorest, nutritional deficiency and denial of health care for the lower classes - decreased life spans for all but the upper 10 - 20%. Police state to protect the elites as the masses riot and die off.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:12:25 PM
Is it necessary for humans to be wiped out like the black plague in order for action? Humans are like a group of wild deer over populating a meadow waiting for the year where resources fail them and they all die off. Population curves at the most primal level. This is where humans are. You'd think we could evolve to excel beyond this primal urge to overuse.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 11:32:04 PM
Electric and hybrid cars aren't sustainable.  Do you have any idea how much energy and material goes into building them.  And then you still have to generate power for them somehow.

They're more efficient, but they're still dirty Industrial Age machines.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 11:59:16 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by The8ofCups:

Electric and hybrid cars aren't sustainable.  Do you have any idea how much energy and material goes into building them.  And then you still have to generate power for them somehow.

They're more efficient, but they're still dirty Industrial Age machines.
I'm happy to see some intelligent life on this forum. 
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Posted: 2/3/2013 2:44:50 AM
Electric cars are not the clean machines everyone thinks they are .   
You still have to plug them into an electrical outlet,   which is connected to a power plant somewhere... which is likely burning coal !!    That is dirtier than gasoline folks !!

And the battery technology is still expensive and has a long way to go..  Without government subsidies to green energy, these companies would collapse.


The answer is Natural Gas. 
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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:31:33 PM

     People consume, and their minds are consumed by that thought process.  "I need new shoes to go with my new shirt.  I need that car because it's cool looking and fast.  I need that microwave because it's bigger and better than the one I have now."  This will never change.

     I guess there's nothing wrong with this as long as it's kept in check.  Imagine if everyone gave 10% of their income to charity.  I don't, and 99.9% of the people out there don't.  However, I need to start doing that or donate time to local soup kitchens or animal shelters.  I really NEED to start doing this.  I don't have a problem with somebody spending $10,000 a month on crap they don't need if they're donating the same amount or more.  It's consumer goods consumption and greed on a mass scale without giving back that I have a problem with.

     I'm starting a new business venture and I truly believe my income will double or triple in the next year (because I'm going to make it happen).  And I will donate because I won't NEED that surplus of income.  I won't NEED that new car.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:57:45 PM
     I do want to say that I really cannot criticize anyone for the way they spend their money.  It's their money after all.  But that doesn't mean I have to like it or respect it.  I'm not impressed with people that have a lot of toys, boats, cars, jewerly, etc.  It doesn't impress me at all.  Personal achievement is a good thing, but when you're buying things all the time to flash around, it just makes you a douche with an empty life.  Hopefully those people will find more meaning to life eventually in the things that really matter. 
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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:59:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rush51:

Electric cars are not the clean machines everyone thinks they are .   
You still have to plug them into an electrical outlet,   which is connected to a power plant somewhere... which is likely burning coal !!    That is dirtier than gasoline folks !!

And the battery technology is still expensive and has a long way to go..  Without government subsidies to green energy, these companies would collapse.


The answer is Natural Gas. 

Another answer is bio fuel through the hemp plant.  But that would be too easy.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 10:09:31 PM
when people are in close proximity an outbreak will likely occur. poor hygiene and a bad health care system in place will be the end of 20% of the worlds population.

65% of all american teens
are either obese or overweight. this disturbing trend along with the average 26,500$ loan owed will make humans not have children. people will put off kids.

some people owe 300,000 in debt w. interest and they are making 30,000 a year. no way they can have kids while in slavery.
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Posted: 2/4/2013 10:37:38 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by hotdamn85:

when people are in close proximity an outbreak will likely occur. poor hygiene and a bad health care system in place will be the end of 20% of the worlds population.

65% of all american teens
are either obese or overweight. this disturbing trend along with the average 26,500$ loan owed will make humans not have children. people will put off kids.

some people owe 300,000 in debt w. interest and they are making 30,000 a year. no way they can have kids while in slavery.
Those are the one having the children. It's well known that in general as income increases the amount of children decreases. 
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Posted: 2/4/2013 10:43:54 PM
when people get too fat the ailments will come.

400 lb people having kids is a recipe for disaster.

people will only live to 40 once natural selection takes its course among people above 350 lbs.

as for the poor, people with 300000 debt will not have kids until their 40s by that time hits they may not want kids or be unhealthy to produce offspring. kids born to a mother in their 40s have higher chance of down syndrome, or autism.
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