So FSU beat all 3 of those teams by 27 points or more and those three teams went a combined 2-2 against the SEC with the worse defeat being a 14 point loss to South Carolina by Clemson. Outside of that those teams either won or lost by 4!!!
In case your are interested here is how Auburn faired against those opponents.
Auburn beat Georgia by 4
Auburn beat A&M by 4
So Auburn did just as good against those teams as the teams that FSU beat by 27 points or more!!!!
So FSU beat all 3 of those teams by 27 points or more and those three teams went a combined 2-2 against the SEC with the worse defeat being a 14 point loss to South Carolina by Clemson. Outside of that those teams either won or lost by 4!!!
In case your are interested here is how Auburn faired against those opponents.
Auburn beat Georgia by 4
Auburn beat A&M by 4
So Auburn did just as good against those teams as the teams that FSU beat by 27 points or more!!!!
Wrong again. You can compare common opponents but it lends to much less actual useable data since anybody can win on "any given Sunday." And since the two teams have zero common opponents on the season I would say it has less merit than usual.
Comparing AU and FSU through A&M and Duke is laughable.
but comparing them through teams that have no link to either side gives more "useable data"?? I mean are you even listening to yourself
Wrong again. You can compare common opponents but it lends to much less actual useable data since anybody can win on "any given Sunday." And since the two teams have zero common opponents on the season I would say it has less merit than usual.
Comparing AU and FSU through A&M and Duke is laughable.
but comparing them through teams that have no link to either side gives more "useable data"?? I mean are you even listening to yourself
No I'm not interested in those. Those are not common opponents. Every single game is just that, a single game. This isn't 5 degrees of Kevin Bacon. Full schedules can give insight to the identity of a team, not 1 game.
You started the thread and I tried to give you some facts about each teams schedule.
No I'm not interested in those. Those are not common opponents. Every single game is just that, a single game. This isn't 5 degrees of Kevin Bacon. Full schedules can give insight to the identity of a team, not 1 game.
You started the thread and I tried to give you some facts about each teams schedule.
but comparing them through teams that have no link to either side gives more "useable data"?? I mean are you even listening to yourself
I'm not comparing AU and FSU. Just saying through the course of the season AU has played much better competition and that can pan out on the field. Period.
but comparing them through teams that have no link to either side gives more "useable data"?? I mean are you even listening to yourself
I'm not comparing AU and FSU. Just saying through the course of the season AU has played much better competition and that can pan out on the field. Period.
No I'm not interested in those. Those are not common opponents. Every single game is just that, a single game. This isn't 5 degrees of Kevin Bacon. Full schedules can give insight to the identity of a team, not 1 game.
You started the thread and I tried to give you some facts about each teams schedule.
Enjoy the game.
Dude you are talking in circles.... so looking at how two teams opponents played against each other is irrelevant but looking at home each teams opponents who had not played similair opponents i.e. SOS is relevant..... Can't have one be relevant and not the other!
No I'm not interested in those. Those are not common opponents. Every single game is just that, a single game. This isn't 5 degrees of Kevin Bacon. Full schedules can give insight to the identity of a team, not 1 game.
You started the thread and I tried to give you some facts about each teams schedule.
Enjoy the game.
Dude you are talking in circles.... so looking at how two teams opponents played against each other is irrelevant but looking at home each teams opponents who had not played similair opponents i.e. SOS is relevant..... Can't have one be relevant and not the other!
I'm not sure if you're serious with this. However, this is Square Betting 101.
I'm not saying that Fla St is not going to cover. I'm saying that every gambler that I have seen that loses, uses some sort of this logic.
Have you read the whole thread? Hell have you read the title? I think if you read the thread and the title you can come to the very quick conclusion what my feelings are on this.
I'm not sure if you're serious with this. However, this is Square Betting 101.
I'm not saying that Fla St is not going to cover. I'm saying that every gambler that I have seen that loses, uses some sort of this logic.
Have you read the whole thread? Hell have you read the title? I think if you read the thread and the title you can come to the very quick conclusion what my feelings are on this.
Dude you are talking in circles.... so looking at how two teams opponents played against each other is irrelevant but looking at home each teams opponents who had not played similair opponents i.e. SOS is relevant..... Can't have one be relevant and not the other!
Yes it can. Like I said before I'm not comparing the two teams you are; with teams that they haven't even both played to boot.
You're comparing how one team beat another by 4 and that team beat another team by 6, and the second team beat some other team by 7 and they beat them by 20. Wtf.
The two teams playing tonight have ZERO common opponents. Go ahead and play 7 degrees of college football, it doesn't work. Again, you started the thread and I gave facts about each teams schedule. Go look at SOS for teams in the NC championship games and the results of those games. If you don't see a pattern then I can't help you. It's not a singular voice on capping or picking a winner, but with all the other information available I'll take the team getting 10. If you choose FSU then gl, it's just a game.
Dude you are talking in circles.... so looking at how two teams opponents played against each other is irrelevant but looking at home each teams opponents who had not played similair opponents i.e. SOS is relevant..... Can't have one be relevant and not the other!
Yes it can. Like I said before I'm not comparing the two teams you are; with teams that they haven't even both played to boot.
You're comparing how one team beat another by 4 and that team beat another team by 6, and the second team beat some other team by 7 and they beat them by 20. Wtf.
The two teams playing tonight have ZERO common opponents. Go ahead and play 7 degrees of college football, it doesn't work. Again, you started the thread and I gave facts about each teams schedule. Go look at SOS for teams in the NC championship games and the results of those games. If you don't see a pattern then I can't help you. It's not a singular voice on capping or picking a winner, but with all the other information available I'll take the team getting 10. If you choose FSU then gl, it's just a game.
Yes it can. Like I said before I'm not comparing the two teams you are; with teams that they haven't even both played to boot.
You're comparing how one team beat another by 4 and that team beat another team by 6, and the second team beat some other team by 7 and they beat them by 20. Wtf.
The two teams playing tonight have ZERO common opponents. Go ahead and play 7 degrees of college football, it doesn't work. Again, you started the thread and I gave facts about each teams schedule. Go look at SOS for teams in the NC championship games and the results of those games. If you don't see a pattern then I can't help you. It's not a singular voice on capping or picking a winner, but with all the other information available I'll take the team getting 10. If you choose FSU then gl, it's just a game.
I understand you think those approaches are opposite but you are wrong.
UCF SOS 88 beat Baylor SOS 22
Oregon SOS 58 beat Texas SOS 15
Arizona SOS 52 beat Boston College SOS 36
Michigan State SOS 61 beat Stanford SOS 8
Nebraska SOS 66 beat Georgia SOS 23
My whole point is that this ridiculous idea that SOS is some factor in any of this is dumb
Yes it can. Like I said before I'm not comparing the two teams you are; with teams that they haven't even both played to boot.
You're comparing how one team beat another by 4 and that team beat another team by 6, and the second team beat some other team by 7 and they beat them by 20. Wtf.
The two teams playing tonight have ZERO common opponents. Go ahead and play 7 degrees of college football, it doesn't work. Again, you started the thread and I gave facts about each teams schedule. Go look at SOS for teams in the NC championship games and the results of those games. If you don't see a pattern then I can't help you. It's not a singular voice on capping or picking a winner, but with all the other information available I'll take the team getting 10. If you choose FSU then gl, it's just a game.
I understand you think those approaches are opposite but you are wrong.
UCF SOS 88 beat Baylor SOS 22
Oregon SOS 58 beat Texas SOS 15
Arizona SOS 52 beat Boston College SOS 36
Michigan State SOS 61 beat Stanford SOS 8
Nebraska SOS 66 beat Georgia SOS 23
My whole point is that this ridiculous idea that SOS is some factor in any of this is dumb
Some factor? So you cherry pick 5 bowl games out of dozens where SOS wasn't a factor and you think you've made a point.
I've said it several times that SOS is a component to some capping styles. It's not a brick and mortar explanation of who will win/cover a game.
wasn't cherry picking was trying to cite examples where people perceived some superiority because of a teams conference.... if you would like I could list all the bowl games, East Carolina SOS 96 beat Ohio SOS 122.... if you would like all the SOS for those meaningless games sure I can get them, there are some in there where the SOS was irrelevant too
Some factor? So you cherry pick 5 bowl games out of dozens where SOS wasn't a factor and you think you've made a point.
I've said it several times that SOS is a component to some capping styles. It's not a brick and mortar explanation of who will win/cover a game.
wasn't cherry picking was trying to cite examples where people perceived some superiority because of a teams conference.... if you would like I could list all the bowl games, East Carolina SOS 96 beat Ohio SOS 122.... if you would like all the SOS for those meaningless games sure I can get them, there are some in there where the SOS was irrelevant too
This is a gambling sight 364 days out of year until the SEC loses the NC game and it becomes a fan sight. FSU weak competition put hem in a spot to get beat last night. No one had any idea how good FSU was or how they would handle adversity or a decent defense.
FSU played just good enough to win. Congratulations to them.
This is a gambling sight 364 days out of year until the SEC loses the NC game and it becomes a fan sight. FSU weak competition put hem in a spot to get beat last night. No one had any idea how good FSU was or how they would handle adversity or a decent defense.
FSU played just good enough to win. Congratulations to them.
This is a gambling sight 364 days out of year until the SEC loses the NC game and it becomes a fan sight. FSU weak competition put hem in a spot to get beat last night. No one had any idea how good FSU was or how they would handle adversity or a decent defense.
FSU played just good enough to win. Congratulations to them.
Well since it is a gambling site and ATS the spread is all we care about than the SEC was 2-4 in their bowl games with their top teams..... so even more proof that conference is overrated!!!!
This is a gambling sight 364 days out of year until the SEC loses the NC game and it becomes a fan sight. FSU weak competition put hem in a spot to get beat last night. No one had any idea how good FSU was or how they would handle adversity or a decent defense.
FSU played just good enough to win. Congratulations to them.
Well since it is a gambling site and ATS the spread is all we care about than the SEC was 2-4 in their bowl games with their top teams..... so even more proof that conference is overrated!!!!
Well since it is a gambling site and ATS the spread is all we care about than the SEC was 2-4 in their bowl games with their top teams..... so even more proof that conference is overrated!!!!
Well since it is a gambling site and ATS the spread is all we care about than the SEC was 2-4 in their bowl games with their top teams..... so even more proof that conference is overrated!!!!
I understand the strength of schedule argument for Ohio State because they played some tight games in that schedule but the SOS argument for FSU is absurd, they dominated their whole schedule, the good and the bad!!!!
Remember Duke, FSU beat them by 38..... A&M snuck past them by 4 and Auburn beat A&M by 4.....
How about the closest FSU came to a loss was @ Boston College where they won by 14!!!! Their narrowest victory this year was 2 TD's!!!!
I am not saying you should bet FSU.... bet Auburn if you feel like they can win or keep it close, I am just saying suggesting that FSU isn't as good because their strength of schedule isn't as good as Auburns is the dumbest argument you can make for this game. Their strength of schedule is pretty much irrelevant if they are destroying everyone on it.
SOS is not irrelevant if they are destroying everyone on it. There's a dynamic behind it. You would have to take the points FSU scored off opponents turnovers off FSU offense and get their offense to a pure points evaluation in thier 4 game road series. Once you did that you would see that they were only scoring 24 pure points per game last 4- road gms. In that 4 game road series FSU scored 96 points off opponents miscues. That's 24 points per game. Destroying everyone? You only need to gauge their road games not home games. That takes the "everyone" and cuts it in half. In perception sure that's what one would think. However in actuality they weren't destroying everyone. The teams they played on the road destroyed themselves.
One example:@ Wake 59-3...they scored 45 pts off Wake because the QB and team kept turning the ball over .FSU's offensive pure points for that game was 14. FSU @ Clemson 51-14. FSU scored 24 points off Taj Boyds miscues. FSU's pp's 27.
Auburn on the other hand was scoring 35 pppg last 4 rd gms vs better comp. Even though FSU had the better defense on paper it was some what skewed because of the bad offenses on their sched..and it showed in the Championship gm giving up chunks of running yrds / passing yards and points( 31) to Auburn. Auburns defense in the pure points stats wasn't bad... Its just that they played better competition so in the PA catagory and Pass "D" it showed up bad. However if you looked into further you would notice. Auburns redzone and 3rd down defense was actualy fairly decent.
I had FSU playing a 74 average opponent (SOS) in their L4 road game series .FSU was beating that ave. opp by 19 pure points per gm. which gave them a 93 road rating. Auburn's ave opp rating last 4 in their series was a 78 ( 4pts greater) not to significant but still better offenses vs Auburns defense. The key was this--->. Auburn was beating their ave opp(SOS) (78) by 14.5 pppg in the 4 gm road series giving them a 92.5 rating. Thats only 1/1/2pts less than what FSU was beating their ave opp of 74 (SOS) in their 4 gm rd series. This shows me that on a NF...these two teams were close..Field goal close. Just depends on who makes the fewer mistakes. They were both equal in that dept..31-34 Final Auburn covers.
People that were thinking FSU was going to destroy Auburn like they thought they were destroying everyone else on their schedule were not looking into the dynamics of what SOS really is and how to evaluate it in a pure points perspective. Auburn +11.5 was the play all day everyday
I understand the strength of schedule argument for Ohio State because they played some tight games in that schedule but the SOS argument for FSU is absurd, they dominated their whole schedule, the good and the bad!!!!
Remember Duke, FSU beat them by 38..... A&M snuck past them by 4 and Auburn beat A&M by 4.....
How about the closest FSU came to a loss was @ Boston College where they won by 14!!!! Their narrowest victory this year was 2 TD's!!!!
I am not saying you should bet FSU.... bet Auburn if you feel like they can win or keep it close, I am just saying suggesting that FSU isn't as good because their strength of schedule isn't as good as Auburns is the dumbest argument you can make for this game. Their strength of schedule is pretty much irrelevant if they are destroying everyone on it.
SOS is not irrelevant if they are destroying everyone on it. There's a dynamic behind it. You would have to take the points FSU scored off opponents turnovers off FSU offense and get their offense to a pure points evaluation in thier 4 game road series. Once you did that you would see that they were only scoring 24 pure points per game last 4- road gms. In that 4 game road series FSU scored 96 points off opponents miscues. That's 24 points per game. Destroying everyone? You only need to gauge their road games not home games. That takes the "everyone" and cuts it in half. In perception sure that's what one would think. However in actuality they weren't destroying everyone. The teams they played on the road destroyed themselves.
One example:@ Wake 59-3...they scored 45 pts off Wake because the QB and team kept turning the ball over .FSU's offensive pure points for that game was 14. FSU @ Clemson 51-14. FSU scored 24 points off Taj Boyds miscues. FSU's pp's 27.
Auburn on the other hand was scoring 35 pppg last 4 rd gms vs better comp. Even though FSU had the better defense on paper it was some what skewed because of the bad offenses on their sched..and it showed in the Championship gm giving up chunks of running yrds / passing yards and points( 31) to Auburn. Auburns defense in the pure points stats wasn't bad... Its just that they played better competition so in the PA catagory and Pass "D" it showed up bad. However if you looked into further you would notice. Auburns redzone and 3rd down defense was actualy fairly decent.
I had FSU playing a 74 average opponent (SOS) in their L4 road game series .FSU was beating that ave. opp by 19 pure points per gm. which gave them a 93 road rating. Auburn's ave opp rating last 4 in their series was a 78 ( 4pts greater) not to significant but still better offenses vs Auburns defense. The key was this--->. Auburn was beating their ave opp(SOS) (78) by 14.5 pppg in the 4 gm road series giving them a 92.5 rating. Thats only 1/1/2pts less than what FSU was beating their ave opp of 74 (SOS) in their 4 gm rd series. This shows me that on a NF...these two teams were close..Field goal close. Just depends on who makes the fewer mistakes. They were both equal in that dept..31-34 Final Auburn covers.
People that were thinking FSU was going to destroy Auburn like they thought they were destroying everyone else on their schedule were not looking into the dynamics of what SOS really is and how to evaluate it in a pure points perspective. Auburn +11.5 was the play all day everyday
Well since it is a gambling site and ATS the spread is all we care about than the SEC was 2-4 in their bowl games with their top teams..... so even more proof that conference is overrated!!!!
How do you come up with SEC at 2-4 ATS? South Carolina, Missouri, Auburn all covered. LSU pushed for many where they got them. Bama and Tex AM didnt cover. I see 3-2 at worst. BTW the other 3 SEC team in bowls games all covered.
Well since it is a gambling site and ATS the spread is all we care about than the SEC was 2-4 in their bowl games with their top teams..... so even more proof that conference is overrated!!!!
How do you come up with SEC at 2-4 ATS? South Carolina, Missouri, Auburn all covered. LSU pushed for many where they got them. Bama and Tex AM didnt cover. I see 3-2 at worst. BTW the other 3 SEC team in bowls games all covered.
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