it usually is. I personally lost close to 5 figures when Bet on Sports went under, so I may know a little about this.
I see posters wanting to know what books they should play at or id Youwager and others are good books? If they offer huge bonuses they likely are cash poor trying to generate a cash flow. Yes they may pay customers with new deposits but just like any Ponzi Scheme they eventually go bust!
If you must play off shore play with:
1. Heritage- If you aren't with them then wait until you see an open enrollment period.
2. 5 dimes- their customer service is an issue and management is their biggest PR nightmare. They do pay and have done so for many years.
Obviously this is if you a U.S. Player.
Any other books in my opinion are accidents waiting to happen.
If outside the U.S there are many good books starting with Pinnacle and The Greek.
it usually is. I personally lost close to 5 figures when Bet on Sports went under, so I may know a little about this.
I see posters wanting to know what books they should play at or id Youwager and others are good books? If they offer huge bonuses they likely are cash poor trying to generate a cash flow. Yes they may pay customers with new deposits but just like any Ponzi Scheme they eventually go bust!
If you must play off shore play with:
1. Heritage- If you aren't with them then wait until you see an open enrollment period.
2. 5 dimes- their customer service is an issue and management is their biggest PR nightmare. They do pay and have done so for many years.
Obviously this is if you a U.S. Player.
Any other books in my opinion are accidents waiting to happen.
If outside the U.S there are many good books starting with Pinnacle and The Greek.
I'm with youwager and gtbets. Are you saying youwager or gtbets might not pay in the long run?
according to the ratings that i see for these 2 books, i see one at a "B" and then a "B-"
i think what happens is that you have a whole list of online books out there that haven't been in business for too long and they continue to stay in business till they can no longer full fill larger payouts on time. What happens when gtbets and youwager slowpay someone or even no-pay someone? With bookmaker, betdsi, heritage, or 5dimes, the minute someone complains about being slow paid, nevermind no-paid, it raises a red flag. Keep in mind that a place like bet-dsi/bookmaker state well ahead of time that withdrawal requests shall be fullfilled no later than 15 days, or 15 business days whatever it is. So you know if you hit something big, there is a chance that you will be slow paid by up to 15 days although many people are able to pick up the money on the 3rd day after requesting. 5dimes on the other hand do not have this 15 day policy so for example if you request a western union withdrawal and you haven't been able to get a tracking number for like 3 days, that's a red flag right there because that's not their policy. The minute a single experience is heard upon regarding well known books like the 4 mentioned above your post, are slow-paying, that is a sign it might be time to move on.
There are forms that you can fill out online regarding payout experiences and if a book like 5dimes is not complying in anyway shape or form, they are held accountable and they don't need people to start moving money away from them. with youwager and gtbets, and many other places like these, have they been able to overcome any bullshit? Would they even care if someone from a forum has complained about them slow paying? Maybe you'll be lucky but i think people are better off booking with the more well known sportsbooks so that there is indeed more accountability.
I'm with youwager and gtbets. Are you saying youwager or gtbets might not pay in the long run?
according to the ratings that i see for these 2 books, i see one at a "B" and then a "B-"
i think what happens is that you have a whole list of online books out there that haven't been in business for too long and they continue to stay in business till they can no longer full fill larger payouts on time. What happens when gtbets and youwager slowpay someone or even no-pay someone? With bookmaker, betdsi, heritage, or 5dimes, the minute someone complains about being slow paid, nevermind no-paid, it raises a red flag. Keep in mind that a place like bet-dsi/bookmaker state well ahead of time that withdrawal requests shall be fullfilled no later than 15 days, or 15 business days whatever it is. So you know if you hit something big, there is a chance that you will be slow paid by up to 15 days although many people are able to pick up the money on the 3rd day after requesting. 5dimes on the other hand do not have this 15 day policy so for example if you request a western union withdrawal and you haven't been able to get a tracking number for like 3 days, that's a red flag right there because that's not their policy. The minute a single experience is heard upon regarding well known books like the 4 mentioned above your post, are slow-paying, that is a sign it might be time to move on.
There are forms that you can fill out online regarding payout experiences and if a book like 5dimes is not complying in anyway shape or form, they are held accountable and they don't need people to start moving money away from them. with youwager and gtbets, and many other places like these, have they been able to overcome any bullshit? Would they even care if someone from a forum has complained about them slow paying? Maybe you'll be lucky but i think people are better off booking with the more well known sportsbooks so that there is indeed more accountability.
according to the ratings that i see for these 2 books, i see one at a "B" and then a "B-"
i think what happens is that you have a whole list of online books out there that haven't been in business for too long and they continue to stay in business till they can no longer full fill larger payouts on time. What happens when gtbets and youwager slowpay someone or even no-pay someone? With bookmaker, betdsi, heritage, or 5dimes, the minute someone complains about being slow paid, nevermind no-paid, it raises a red flag. Keep in mind that a place like bet-dsi/bookmaker state well ahead of time that withdrawal requests shall be fullfilled no later than 15 days, or 15 business days whatever it is. So you know if you hit something big, there is a chance that you will be slow paid by up to 15 days although many people are able to pick up the money on the 3rd day after requesting. 5dimes on the other hand do not have this 15 day policy so for example if you request a western union withdrawal and you haven't been able to get a tracking number for like 3 days, that's a red flag right there because that's not their policy. The minute a single experience is heard upon regarding well known books like the 4 mentioned above your post, are slow-paying, that is a sign it might be time to move on.
There are forms that you can fill out online regarding payout experiences and if a book like 5dimes is not complying in anyway shape or form, they are held accountable and they don't need people to start moving money away from them. with youwager and gtbets, and many other places like these, have they been able to overcome any bullshit? Would they even care if someone from a forum has complained about them slow paying? Maybe you'll be lucky but i think people are better off booking with the more well known sportsbooks so that there is indeed more accountability.
according to the ratings that i see for these 2 books, i see one at a "B" and then a "B-"
i think what happens is that you have a whole list of online books out there that haven't been in business for too long and they continue to stay in business till they can no longer full fill larger payouts on time. What happens when gtbets and youwager slowpay someone or even no-pay someone? With bookmaker, betdsi, heritage, or 5dimes, the minute someone complains about being slow paid, nevermind no-paid, it raises a red flag. Keep in mind that a place like bet-dsi/bookmaker state well ahead of time that withdrawal requests shall be fullfilled no later than 15 days, or 15 business days whatever it is. So you know if you hit something big, there is a chance that you will be slow paid by up to 15 days although many people are able to pick up the money on the 3rd day after requesting. 5dimes on the other hand do not have this 15 day policy so for example if you request a western union withdrawal and you haven't been able to get a tracking number for like 3 days, that's a red flag right there because that's not their policy. The minute a single experience is heard upon regarding well known books like the 4 mentioned above your post, are slow-paying, that is a sign it might be time to move on.
There are forms that you can fill out online regarding payout experiences and if a book like 5dimes is not complying in anyway shape or form, they are held accountable and they don't need people to start moving money away from them. with youwager and gtbets, and many other places like these, have they been able to overcome any bullshit? Would they even care if someone from a forum has complained about them slow paying? Maybe you'll be lucky but i think people are better off booking with the more well known sportsbooks so that there is indeed more accountability.
might you be someone who is looking to get some business from me? just asking because that's what everyone has basically done with me when asking about friend requests. Anyone need not friend request me if they want to send me a direct message because i've made it so that you can do it anyways. And just in case, am i interested in doing business with a local? not right now but thanks ahead of time.
might you be someone who is looking to get some business from me? just asking because that's what everyone has basically done with me when asking about friend requests. Anyone need not friend request me if they want to send me a direct message because i've made it so that you can do it anyways. And just in case, am i interested in doing business with a local? not right now but thanks ahead of time.
Youwager and GTbets are a problem in my book. Youwager is always offering huge bonuses and GT offer one at signup and they don't offer a call center.
My opinion also is that SBR ratings on books available to U.S. players is a joke. Their rating is based on how much revenue they bring to SBR in advertising, referral, and override dollars. It certainly isn't based on customer service, history of problem free payouts and overall company strength.
Youwager and GTbets are a problem in my book. Youwager is always offering huge bonuses and GT offer one at signup and they don't offer a call center.
My opinion also is that SBR ratings on books available to U.S. players is a joke. Their rating is based on how much revenue they bring to SBR in advertising, referral, and override dollars. It certainly isn't based on customer service, history of problem free payouts and overall company strength.
btw..I ask that you stop asking people to PM you when they ask about a local, we do not support members exchanging info and/or booking with each other.
btw..I ask that you stop asking people to PM you when they ask about a local, we do not support members exchanging info and/or booking with each other.
Youwager and GTbets are a problem in my book. Youwager is always offering huge bonuses and GT offer one at signup and they don't offer a call center.
My opinion also is that SBR ratings on books available to U.S. players is a joke. Their rating is based on how much revenue they bring to SBR in advertising, referral, and override dollars. It certainly isn't based on customer service, history of problem free payouts and overall company strength.
Gopher,
GT Bets has a call center . They just don't take wagers by phone. I make my WU withdrawals by phone every time.
Youwager and GTbets are a problem in my book. Youwager is always offering huge bonuses and GT offer one at signup and they don't offer a call center.
My opinion also is that SBR ratings on books available to U.S. players is a joke. Their rating is based on how much revenue they bring to SBR in advertising, referral, and override dollars. It certainly isn't based on customer service, history of problem free payouts and overall company strength.
Gopher,
GT Bets has a call center . They just don't take wagers by phone. I make my WU withdrawals by phone every time.
btw..I ask that you stop asking people to PM you when they ask about a local, we do not support members exchanging info and/or booking with each other.
Constantly consist of more than once. I happened to know someone near him. Do me the favor of boxing me again or kicking me off of here. The site is a joke. I have more threads on here about my kidneys experiences than ever asking someone to pm me.Yet you choose to bust my chops.
btw..I ask that you stop asking people to PM you when they ask about a local, we do not support members exchanging info and/or booking with each other.
Constantly consist of more than once. I happened to know someone near him. Do me the favor of boxing me again or kicking me off of here. The site is a joke. I have more threads on here about my kidneys experiences than ever asking someone to pm me.Yet you choose to bust my chops.
GT Bets has a call center . They just don't take wagers by phone. I make my WU withdrawals by phone every time.
Deezy
I should have made that clear. They have customer service via phone but they do not take any wagers over the phone.
It may not matter to many at all, but I left home without my iphone by mistake and called their number to place the a decent size bet but they couldn't take it over the phone. In fairness they never said they did take phone wagering and I should have done my work to find out before ever posting money there.
As well I only had 1 problem with them non-monetary that we weren't going to find common ground on.
GT Bets has a call center . They just don't take wagers by phone. I make my WU withdrawals by phone every time.
Deezy
I should have made that clear. They have customer service via phone but they do not take any wagers over the phone.
It may not matter to many at all, but I left home without my iphone by mistake and called their number to place the a decent size bet but they couldn't take it over the phone. In fairness they never said they did take phone wagering and I should have done my work to find out before ever posting money there.
As well I only had 1 problem with them non-monetary that we weren't going to find common ground on.
Constantly consist of more than once. I happened to know someone near him. Do me the favor of boxing me again or kicking me off of here. The site is a joke. I have more threads on here about my kidneys experiences than ever asking someone to pm me.Yet you choose to bust my chops.
and i appreciate you sharing your personal information like you did in front of everyone when i asked about your kidney situation. it's ashame that some people on here have to resort to not really caring about what they say on here and then getting banned for life, but at least you are being civil about it.
i'm not saying that we have any corruption on this board like we sometimes hear about it with the los angeles police department but if you have a title and you're a representative accordingly, then it's your job to be a model employee/citizen. i don't remember who it was back then who created a thread regarding "sources" he or she had regarding nelson mandela being dead if i recall correctly but it was a covers referee. i didn't do too much research on it but i believe the thread got deleted because i didn't see it in the penalty box. Am i insinuating that the police on here shoot innocent victims and murder them in cold blood? no but regardless, if you have a title then you are expected to conduct yourself accordingly. There is a reason why too many people are complaining on here and i am not excusing anyone for doing so, just trying to help explain. It's ashame but there's 3 words i can offer you regarding life and whether you decide to leave on your own, or get kicked out gophernation12 (and i hope you stay):
Constantly consist of more than once. I happened to know someone near him. Do me the favor of boxing me again or kicking me off of here. The site is a joke. I have more threads on here about my kidneys experiences than ever asking someone to pm me.Yet you choose to bust my chops.
and i appreciate you sharing your personal information like you did in front of everyone when i asked about your kidney situation. it's ashame that some people on here have to resort to not really caring about what they say on here and then getting banned for life, but at least you are being civil about it.
i'm not saying that we have any corruption on this board like we sometimes hear about it with the los angeles police department but if you have a title and you're a representative accordingly, then it's your job to be a model employee/citizen. i don't remember who it was back then who created a thread regarding "sources" he or she had regarding nelson mandela being dead if i recall correctly but it was a covers referee. i didn't do too much research on it but i believe the thread got deleted because i didn't see it in the penalty box. Am i insinuating that the police on here shoot innocent victims and murder them in cold blood? no but regardless, if you have a title then you are expected to conduct yourself accordingly. There is a reason why too many people are complaining on here and i am not excusing anyone for doing so, just trying to help explain. It's ashame but there's 3 words i can offer you regarding life and whether you decide to leave on your own, or get kicked out gophernation12 (and i hope you stay):
and i appreciate you sharing your personal information like you did in front of everyone when i asked about your kidney situation. it's ashame that some people on here have to resort to not really caring about what they say on here and then getting banned for life, but at least you are being civil about it.
i'm not saying that we have any corruption on this board like we sometimes hear about it with the los angeles police department but if you have a title and you're a representative accordingly, then it's your job to be a model employee/citizen. i don't remember who it was back then who created a thread regarding "sources" he or she had regarding nelson mandela being dead if i recall correctly but it was a covers referee. i didn't do too much research on it but i believe the thread got deleted because i didn't see it in the penalty box. Am i insinuating that the police on here shoot innocent victims and murder them in cold blood? no but regardless, if you have a title then you are expected to conduct yourself accordingly. There is a reason why too many people are complaining on here and i am not excusing anyone for doing so, just trying to help explain. It's ashame but there's 3 words i can offer you regarding life and whether you decide to leave on your own, or get kicked out gophernation12 (and i hope you stay):
and i appreciate you sharing your personal information like you did in front of everyone when i asked about your kidney situation. it's ashame that some people on here have to resort to not really caring about what they say on here and then getting banned for life, but at least you are being civil about it.
i'm not saying that we have any corruption on this board like we sometimes hear about it with the los angeles police department but if you have a title and you're a representative accordingly, then it's your job to be a model employee/citizen. i don't remember who it was back then who created a thread regarding "sources" he or she had regarding nelson mandela being dead if i recall correctly but it was a covers referee. i didn't do too much research on it but i believe the thread got deleted because i didn't see it in the penalty box. Am i insinuating that the police on here shoot innocent victims and murder them in cold blood? no but regardless, if you have a title then you are expected to conduct yourself accordingly. There is a reason why too many people are complaining on here and i am not excusing anyone for doing so, just trying to help explain. It's ashame but there's 3 words i can offer you regarding life and whether you decide to leave on your own, or get kicked out gophernation12 (and i hope you stay):
might you be someone who is looking to get some business from me? just asking because that's what everyone has basically done with me when asking about friend requests. Anyone need not friend request me if they want to send me a direct message because i've made it so that you can do it anyways. And just in case, am i interested in doing business with a local? not right now but thanks ahead of time.
good post- All these PPH skins are giving out 50% referrals to to brokediks who refer players. They rarely care about safety of player they refer- stick with books that have been around awhile. Gopher named a few
might you be someone who is looking to get some business from me? just asking because that's what everyone has basically done with me when asking about friend requests. Anyone need not friend request me if they want to send me a direct message because i've made it so that you can do it anyways. And just in case, am i interested in doing business with a local? not right now but thanks ahead of time.
good post- All these PPH skins are giving out 50% referrals to to brokediks who refer players. They rarely care about safety of player they refer- stick with books that have been around awhile. Gopher named a few
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