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Posted: 1/10/2012 11:15:05 AM
and by "liberal", of course i mean republican, the two words being synonymous these days.  and not only that, these four murderers did their time as trustees working in his mansion.  i have to check and see if this republican governor was the family values type in which case he probably blew these four prisoners regularly in his mansion, but i'll get back to you on that. 
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Posted: 1/10/2012 12:40:31 PM
Wait until Obama loses the election.Mumia will be strolling in Rittenhouse Square,Colin Ferguson will be back riding the LIRR,Joanne Chesimard will be smoking crack in East Orange,and OJ will be the toast of Hollywood.
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Posted: 1/10/2012 2:56:50 PM
what will the over/under be?       1000, 2500, 300, 5000?  is there a limit?

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Posted: 1/12/2012 10:06:24 AM
this story is fuckin unbelievable.  it's way worse than i initially thought and i initially thought it was unprecedented. 

i know you pseudo conservative types pretend to get mad when judges appear to extend their power into another branch f government (unless you disagree with what that other branch is doing), but sometimes i guess it has to be done, for instance, when the liberal governor is basically opening the front door to the prison.

too bad no non-republican minded judge didn't step in before that religious freak huckabee did something similar years ago.  might be more innocent people alive today. 
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Posted: 1/12/2012 10:25:49 AM

maybe there will be a contract put on Barbour's head

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Posted: 1/12/2012 10:45:41 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by captjohn67:

maybe there will be a contract put on Barbour's head



in the 1800's, a territory was divided up into alabama and mississippi.  alabama needs to take that territory back. 
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this story is fuckin unbelievable.  it's way worse than i initially thought and i initially thought it was unprecedented. 

i know you pseudo conservative types pretend to get mad when judges appear to extend their power into another branch f government (unless you disagree with what that other branch is doing), but sometimes i guess it has to be done, for instance, when the liberal governor is basically opening the front door to the prison.

too bad no non-republican minded judge didn't step in before that religious freak huckabee did something similar years ago.  might be more innocent people alive today. 

Without question the county judge Tomie Green is an  absolute  lunatic.  State Atty Gen Pampadour Jim Hood is a headline seeking POS who  refused to prosecute Dickie Scruggs because 'he was  like  family'  yeah,  family  who  gave  500,000 contribution.

Also, learn the story.....  close to  90% of those pardoned had  already completed their incarceration with the prison and most of  those to be  released are medical hardships ...like dialysis patients ,  cancer,etc.

Trusties at  the governor mansion typically receive pardons.

and  in over 95% of all the cases,  Barbour was  following reccomendation of the parole board.

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Posted: 1/12/2012 1:54:49 PM
Nice emphasis on party affiliation. If he were a Dem you'd probably be fine with it.
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Posted: 1/12/2012 2:09:29 PM

1) Governors have long had pardoning power, this isn't the first time unpopular pardons are made and it won't be the last.

2) The judge was right to issue a TRO if the governor's office did not comply with the notice requirements of the statute.

3) Shame on this governor for these pardons, even if the guys did work in his "mansion" and he felt they are rehabilitated.

4) Is archdriver Barbour's press secretary or something? What about the 10% that we pardoned that hadn't completed their incarceration? What about the 5% where Barbour did NOT follow the recommendation of the parole board?

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Posted: 1/12/2012 3:11:01 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by archdriver:

Without question the county judge Tomie Green is an  absolute  lunatic.  State Atty Gen Pampadour Jim Hood is a headline seeking POS who  refused to prosecute Dickie Scruggs because 'he was  like  family'  yeah,  family  who  gave  500,000 contribution.

Also, learn the story.....  close to  90% of those pardoned had  already completed their incarceration with the prison and most of  those to be  released are medical hardships ...like dialysis patients ,  cancer,etc.

Trusties at  the governor mansion typically receive pardons.

and  in over 95% of all the cases,  Barbour was  following reccomendation of the parole board.



there are a lot of problems here.

i have no idea about the miss. state attorney so i have no comment about your first paragraph.

close to 90% had completed their sentence . . .  ok, that leaves close to 10% of the murderers, rapists, armed robbers, home invasion burglars, etc who hadn't.   that's unforgiveable.  on top of that, do you know the effect of a pardon.  in most states, it is the equivalent of saying the person never committed a crime.  there are two significant problems here.  first, convicted felons, like the many murderers, rapists, armed robbers, etc who were pardoned by this  jerkoff, cannot possess a firearm, and for good reason.  with full pardons, these criminals can.  secondly, in most states, they will be able to have their criminal records sealed or expunged.  so, if they apply for school bus driver or teacher or whatever, the potential employers may not know the guy they are about to hire to drive the kids around is a murderer.  i, for one, would like to know if a job applicant is a murderer.

trustees at governor's mansions typically get pardons.  this is my favorite comment.  first trustees at governor's mansions are almost never murderers and serious violent criminals.  in fact, i've never heard of a trustee on any level who is a violent criminal.  and trustees do not usually get pardons, at least not in any state i'm aware of.  pardons are very rare.  but if a trustee at the governor's mansion does get a pardon, it's inconceivable that it would be a murderer or other violent criminal. 

in over 95%, this jackass was following the recommendation of the parole board.  first, learn the story.  it says 90% and that still leaves us with way too many violent criminals pardoned who did not get that recommendation.   secondly, the fuckin parole board?  do you know who makes up a parole board?  did the lady at the DMV also recommend pardons for these guys?  it is the governor's call and the fact that he is trying to shift blame on the parole board is a joke. 

i notice you also neglected to cite the part about how most of these pardons appear to be illegal since no one followed the proper procedures.  i wonder why?  my guess is the victims of these violent crimes might want to know if these criminals are getting out in advance.

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Posted: 1/12/2012 3:14:31 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by esplanade:

Nice emphasis on party affiliation. If he were a Dem you'd probably be fine with it.


this is somewhat accurate.  i certainly wouldn't be fine with it but i might not make such a big deal about it.  here's why.  i don't have as much criticism for the democrats because i'm immune to regular corruption and incompetence.  just about all of them, democrat and republican, are corrupt and/or incompetence. 

i now tend to focus on the hypocrites.  and that seems to show up more on the republican side, i.e. the people who think they are conservative when they are the opposite.  you know,l the family values/sanctity of marriage guys who blow strange dudes in the public bathroom or spend state money on trips to argentina to bang hookers or spend money on wasteful bullshit or, like this guy, who wants to pretend to be tough on crime and then gives the keys to the jail to so many violent criminals. 
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Posted: 1/12/2012 3:27:02 PM

The  correct  term is TRUSTY. ... These prisoners are not trustee of anything.   They  are  selected, interviewed in depth prior to getting to work / live at the  governor's mansion. 

I am not the  press secretary for  haley barbour but he  did  release an explanation..... just understand that that it is not opening the front door to the prison. 

 

Some people have misunderstood the clemency process and think that all or most of the individuals who received clemency from former Gov. Haley Barbour were in jail at the time of their release. Approximately 90 percent of these individuals were no longer in custody, and a majority of them had been out for years. The pardons were intended to allow them to find gainful employment or acquire professional licenses as well as hunt and vote. My decision about clemency was based upon the recommendation of the Parole Board in more than 90 percent of the cases. The 26 people released from custody due to clemency is just slightly more than one-tenth of 1 percent of those incarcerated.

Half of the people who were incarcerated and released were placed on indefinite suspension due to medical reasons because their health care expenses while incarcerated were costing the state so much money. These individuals suffer from severe chronic illnesses, are on dialysis, in wheelchairs or are bedridden. They are not threats to society but if any of them commits an offense – even a misdemeanor – they’ll be returned to custody to serve out their term.

Of the inmates released for medical reasons, a small number were placed on house arrest, and all still remain under the supervision of the Department of Corrections.

In Custody at Time of Release: 26 (12%)
* Medical Release/Remain Under MDOC Supervision (13)
* Suspended Sentence/ Remain Under MDOC Supervision (3)

Previously Completed Incarceration at Time of Clemency :189 (88 percent)

Total: 215

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Posted: 1/12/2012 3:27:53 PM
let me give you an example of how common pardons are, although it obviously varies among states. 

california, the biggest state, has averaged about 35 pardons per year.

minnesota- 22 in two years

new york- 31 in ten years, almost all of which were drug users

ohio- 59 in eight years

west virginia- 121 in 36 years

virginia- 12 pardons in 3 years

it's hard to get pardon information but that gives you some idea of how common pardons are.  of course, that doesn't tell the whole story.  the crime for which the people are pardoned is important too.  i'd be shocked if any state has done anything like what this fuckin inbred in mississippi just did. 
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Posted: 1/12/2012 3:38:04 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by archdriver:

The  correct  term is TRUSTY. ... These prisoners are not trustee of anything.   They  are  selected, interviewed in depth prior to getting to work / live at the  governor's mansion. 

I am not the  press secretary for  haley barbour but he  did  release an explanation..... just understand that that it is not opening the front door to the prison. 

 

Some people have misunderstood the clemency process and think that all or most of the individuals who received clemency from former Gov. Haley Barbour were in jail at the time of their release. Approximately 90 percent of these individuals were no longer in custody, and a majority of them had been out for years. The pardons were intended to allow them to find gainful employment or acquire professional licenses as well as hunt and vote. My decision about clemency was based upon the recommendation of the Parole Board in more than 90 percent of the cases. The 26 people released from custody due to clemency is just slightly more than one-tenth of 1 percent of those incarcerated.

Half of the people who were incarcerated and released were placed on indefinite suspension due to medical reasons because their health care expenses while incarcerated were costing the state so much money. These individuals suffer from severe chronic illnesses, are on dialysis, in wheelchairs or are bedridden. They are not threats to society but if any of them commits an offense – even a misdemeanor – they’ll be returned to custody to serve out their term.

Of the inmates released for medical reasons, a small number were placed on house arrest, and all still remain under the supervision of the Department of Corrections.

In Custody at Time of Release: 26 (12%)
* Medical Release/Remain Under MDOC Supervision (13)
* Suspended Sentence/ Remain Under MDOC Supervision (3)

Previously Completed Incarceration at Time of Clemency :189 (88 percent)

Total: 215



it is exactly opening the front door of the jail for the 10% or so violent criminals who were in custody.  but i'm glad now they are able to hunt without restrictions. 

and the word, at least here, is trustee and they are trustee of, or entrusted with, a lot of things which is why only the most trustworthy people who committed the least serious crimes are entrusted with the duties of a trustee.
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Posted: 1/12/2012 3:50:14 PM
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and the word, at least here, is trustee and they are trustee of, or entrusted with, a lot of things which is why only the most trustworthy people who committed the least serious crimes are entrusted with the duties of a trustee.

 

but you wouldnt want them to be trustee of your estate.

check the  term ,,,, trustee is incorrect.   

TRUSTY

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Posted: 1/12/2012 3:54:51 PM

The term is 'trustee.' Former Gov. Barbour may have felt them to be trustworthy or trusty for short, but one becomes a trustee in prison or jail through good behavior. It leads to working in preferred areas, receiving higher pay, and additional credit for good time.

What I think is about 15 years ago, a Governor similarly followed the parol boards recommendations after initially rejecting it, and even sent a question about a specific prisoner because he was surprised at the recommendation. The prisoner's name was Willie Horton.

Now, that name has become synonamous with being weak on crime. Its good to see Archdriver and Esplanade come to the defense of Dukasis here.

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Posted: 1/12/2012 3:56:08 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by archdriver:

 

but you wouldnt want them to be trustee of your estate.

check the  term ,,,, trustee is incorrect.   

TRUSTY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustee

Its trustee.

Trustee me.

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Posted: 1/12/2012 4:01:03 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by archdriver:

 

but you wouldnt want them to be trustee of your estate.

check the  term ,,,, trustee is incorrect.   

TRUSTY



you need to take that up with the various departments of corrections in georgia who call them trustees and put the word trustee on their special outfits. 
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Posted: 1/12/2012 4:24:43 PM

Trustee and Trusty are two different words with distinctiively different meanings.

They do sound alike.

 

As for State Atty General Jim Hood.... during the Dickie Scruggs attempt to  bribe a federal judge.....

State Attorney General Jim Hood said today it would be a conflict of interest for his office to file charges against several attorneys involved in a high-profile judicial bribery scandal.

Filing a state case now could interfere with a federal case that is already in the courts, Hood told The Clarion-Ledger at an editorial board meeting.

“I’m too close to them,” he said. “It would be like prosecuting my relatives.

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Posted: 1/14/2012 10:26:06 AM
you knew this was coming.  what is it about these nutjob southern governors who want to release or pardon hardened criminals and then invoke their crazy religions to justify it?  i'm sure if obama pardoned some muslims and then cited allah (when he leaves in 2016) that the barbours and huckabees of the world would be fine with it.  i mean, what can go wrong when you mix poltics and religion? 
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some people are for the separation of church and state and others want to completely abolish the notion by creating a theocracy....


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